Indian Special Forces

[rkhanna]

@rkhanna Here's a familiarisation phase photo from Mallet Strike 24

Actually I realised my original Comment was out of context to the Picture I was refering to.

What i meant was that the Americans will never operate with anyones elses weapons. A Familiarization Day to test out and feel out partner forces weapons is different from what i meant.

Also a NATO Joint Readiness or an OPFOR Exercise is also different THOUGH (rom what I have been told ) on big Manouevers the Americans tend to revert back to their own systems.

Generally Speaking the Americans demand Interoperability towards themselves - not the other way around.

Anyways - moot point

 

[rkhanna]

Suppresser is useful but even if we ignore rifle wearing out part cost and fact that under thermal/nvg suppressor is easily visible and it actually sparks so for our case i think a good muzzle device is sufficient

Optics can pick up the Soldier as well not just the Thermal Signature of the Suppressor. That being Said this is not a "New" Problem and yet Suppressors roam the battlefield I think there are a number of Thermal Covering/sleeves solutions available to reduce the glow as well.

A Suppressor adds many more benefits to a soldier and a Small Unit

 

[username unkown]

Optics can pick up the Soldier as well not just the Thermal Signature of the Suppressor. That being Said this is not a "New" Problem and yet Suppressors roam the battlefield

Ok then

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/OXtlES8F7Kg?si=eSf-osaFHnNc2pVd
I dont want to walk in mountains of kulgam with this glowing torch when pigs have thermals do you

Its not just that they glow in dark or give away your position suppressor are long , heavy and overexpensive and not to mention rifle wearing out faster so suppressor are great for dedicated ops for sf but for infantry its no go
Suppresser is again one of the reason I think xm7 is trash as std issue
In past thermal and nvg were only with nato and us so it didn't matter if they used suppressor or not but things are changing even in Ukraine both side have very limited night fighting capability but in future thease will be very common even with trts and millitant around the world

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

View: https://x.com/dauntless_ops/status/1858760568078843954?s=46

 

[rkhanna]

Ok then

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/OXtlES8F7Kg?si=eSf-osaFHnNc2pVd
I dont want to walk in mountains of kulgam with this glowing torch when pigs have thermals do you

Its not just that they glow in dark or give away your position suppressor are long , heavy and overexpensive and not to mention rifle wearing out faster so suppressor are great for dedicated ops for sf but for infantry its no go
Suppresser is again one of the reason I think xm7 is trash as std issue
In past thermal and nvg were only with nato and us so it didn't matter if they used suppressor or not but things are changing even in Ukraine both side have very limited night fighting capability but in future thease will be very common even with trts and millitant around the world

Thank you. saw this video when it was posted originally.

Did this information just come to light? Someone tell this to DevGru, Delta, SAS, KSK, etc etc

NVGs and Thermals have been littering the Killing Fields of Afghanistan and the ME for many many many years. it is not the monopoly of Nato.

Also you think Muzzle Flashes (non supressed) will not show on Thermals? AI Enhances Optics will pic out any form of thermal signature at an exponential rate from here on out. The Russians have devices to reflect lasers off Sniper Optics for their Counter Sniper devices.

For every problem there is a Solution. Thermal Insulating Sleeves for Suprressors are getting more and more prevalent. The Tank Brought the ATGM - There is enough advanced R&D on Camo tech to defeat Optics.

The Other Benefits of a Suprressor are:

A suppressor helps:

1. Increase Noise Disicple,
2. Increase Communication Efficiency
3. Increases Accuracy
4, Increases Situational awareness (Your ears are not FUBAR)
5. Potentially Reduces Mussle Flash
6. Reduces Situational Awareness of the OPFOR.

You happened to Mention Infantry vs SOF - I disagree here as well. Most Infantry Fighting is done during Daylight Hours - The issue of Thermal Signature no longer an Issue. Benefits of Suprressor remain (though cost prohibitive).

If am not wrong there is a wonderful paper written up by the USMC on the benefits of suppressors.

You can also buy a subscription and spend sometime on SOFREP.

 

[username unkown]

Thank you. saw this video when it was posted originally.

Did this information just come to light? Someone tell this to DevGru, Delta, SAS, KSK, etc etc

NVGs and Thermals have been littering the Killing Fields of Afghanistan and the ME for many many many years. it is not the monopoly of Nato.

Also you think Muzzle Flashes (non supressed) will not show on Thermals? AI Enhances Optics will pic out any form of thermal signature at an exponential rate from here on out. The Russians have devices to reflect lasers off Sniper Optics for their Counter Sniper devices.

For every problem there is a Solution. Thermal Insulating Sleeves for Suprressors are getting more and more prevalent. The Tank Brought the ATGM - There is enough advanced R&D on Camo tech to defeat Optics.

The Other Benefits of a Suprressor are:

A suppressor helps:

1. Increase Noise Disicple,
2. Increase Communication Efficiency
3. Increases Accuracy
4, Increases Situational awareness (Your ears are not FUBAR)
5. Potentially Reduces Mussle Flash
6. Reduces Situational Awareness of the OPFOR.

You happened to Mention Infantry vs SOF - I disagree here as well. Most Infantry Fighting is done during Daylight Hours - The issue of Thermal Signature no longer an Issue. Benefits of Suprressor remain (though cost prohibitive).

If am not wrong there is a wonderful paper written up by the USMC on the benefits of suppressors.

You can also buy a subscription and spend sometime on SOFREP.

Thermal and nvg are not common in afganistan or me it is known fact that nato guys have best night fighting capability thats why it wasn't issue for western sof to use it in me or afganistan and thermal sleaves does solve this problem to some extent yes

You happened to Mention Infantry vs SOF - I disagree here as well. Most Infantry Fighting is done during Daylight Hours - The issue of Thermal Signature no longer an Issue. Benefits of Suprressor remain (though cost prohibitive).

Suppresser helps yeah but they are long , heavy and overexpensive even for american market do you think our infantry would use it with thier fiberglass helmets
Or our sf with jholachap pc
Thats why I said suppressor is good for sf only with thermal cover or in common language blanket/kambal

 

[rkhanna]

Thermal and nvg are not common in afganistan or me it is known fact that nato guys have best night fighting capability thats why it wasn't issue for western sof to use it in me or afganistan and thermal sleaves does solve this problem to some extent yes

1. Please research how the Taliban were able to take Kabul so quickly - they suprised everyone by fighting through the night and took Afghanstan in days - what they feared was US Airpower without that they owned the US Armed and Equipped AFghan Forces (including at night fighting)
2. NATO/US has now long been getting into gun fights in Syria and Iraq with NVG/Thermals equiped OPFOR (Including Iran/Russian Proxy)

[SOFREP has some good write ups on examples of Western allies (including Israel) encountering near peer tech on the battlefield in the ME and Latin America - Body Armour, Optics, Small Arms, EW Gear etc etc]

3. The US SOCOM pivoted towards Near Peer power Conflicts 2+ years ago - SOFREP had pretty extensive coverage on it. -

US/NATO have the best fighting capability (Night/Combined Arms/EW/Cyber) because they spend the R&D in defeating tomorrow threats today - The Russians/Chinese are bridging the gap in double time. Whether it is UAV/Optics/EW/CyberWarfare. they are thinking not reacting.
- Point being ATGMS do not prevent tanks from being relevant - just a new breed of tactics and armour - Same will happen with Mass prolification of Optics - Better CAMO - physical/digital/electronic

4. Pointless brining in Indian infantry in on a SOF thread? Our Infantry dont even have shoes



My point being Ceteris Paribus (specially on cost) the Suppressor is perfectly fine for ALL infantry fighting.

 

[username unkown]

1. Please research how the Taliban were able to take Kabul so quickly - they suprised everyone by fighting through the night and took Afghanstan in days - what they feared was US Airpower without that they owned the US Armed and Equipped AFghan Forces (including at night fighting)
2. NATO/US has now long been getting into gun fights in Syria and Iraq with NVG/Thermals equiped OPFOR (Including Iran/Russian Proxy)

[SOFREP has some good write ups on examples of Western allies (including Israel) encountering near peer tech on the battlefield in the ME and Latin America - Body Armour, Optics, Small Arms, EW Gear etc etc]

3. The US SOCOM pivoted towards Near Peer power Conflicts 2+ years ago - SOFREP had pretty extensive coverage on it. -

US/NATO have the best fighting capability (Night/Combined Arms/EW/Cyber) because they spend the R&D in defeating tomorrow threats today - The Russians/Chinese are bridging the gap in double time. Whether it is UAV/Optics/EW/CyberWarfare. they are thinking not reacting.
- Point being ATGMS do not prevent tanks from being relevant - just a new breed of tactics and armour - Same will happen with Mass prolification of Optics - Better CAMO - physical/digital/electronic

4. Pointless brining in Indian infantry in on a SOF thread? Our Infantry dont even have shoes



My point being Ceteris Paribus (specially on cost) the Suppressor is perfectly fine for ALL infantry fighting.

Nvg and thermal have nothing to do with taliban taking over kabul easily
And night fighting capability is only limited to elite units in Russian/Iranian proxy or taliban which is very very rare i don't know where you get idea that goat Herder aka dudes with sandals and AK have nvg and thermal and they know how to use them
And I have to much to say but don't want write long ahh post i am lazy sue me
We were talking about suppressor they were heavy ,long and expensive

 

[Jedi Operator]

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I shared this way back in the last forum and they are right.

This is something MARCOS will tell you as well, did you watch that interview I shared here asking you to watch it ? The guy says that on land MARCOS try to catch upto Paras and experience wise the Army SF have more, however individually navy guys are better all rounded operators.

Also the Para SF won Airborn Africa twice! That challenge sounds gruelling but compare their CQB drills in Vajra Prahar to MARCOS's in Malabar

Want to fight a post WW2 conflict on an Island with rations cut-off in the jungle and raiding an airfield - call the Paras....but how much have they adapted themselves to the current world. That is the quesiton. This was way back in 2007 and post 26/11 the Navy has done much to get MARCOS prepared for the land.