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India Pakistan upcoming war

Indian military’s, military powder is dry and is waiting for Pakistani to come and test it. They won’t do that although pretend that Islamism fired zealots will get them victory. India has moved away from defensive mode to defensive/offensive mode. That means that in last ten years India has built a military muscle to a level where Pakistanis will regret testing Indian resolve. Pin pricks continue.

The Indian military posture:

1. Offensive mode with highly accurate missiles that can reach Sargodha, Rawalpindi, Karachi, Peshawar and other cities without crossing the international border will devastate them.

2. For 50 to 100 km a devastating artillery and multi-rocket fire can get rid of even underground fortifications.

3. India BMD is so smart that it can drop any aircraft or Pakistani Nasser/Ghori/ and other missiles in a single shot. The whole trick is to identify the nuclear loaded missile and shoot it down. That capability has been developed.

4. If Pakistan sends its not so stealthy Chinese made fighter; India has to shoot one down and the whole of Chinese prestige will go down the tube. India has that capability.

5. On the first day of war the Karachi and Gawadar ports are blocked. Their navy has to be invited in an open sea battle. My guess they won’t come as the risk of loosing large ships is very great.

Pakistanis afraid of loosing themselves not crossing international borders. They will make India to cross. India has to cross at Lahore and Sialkote and get as close to the city as possible. That means that if they drop nuclear bomb then the damage on Indian side is minimal and they loose the most in their cities with their own weapons.

Now since they started it hence, India can now bomb their cities and their nuclear storage sites. Good way to end the war on Indian terms.

Western powers especially Briton will persuade India for ceasefire. Never agree to it as it is a way to give Pakistanis a victory. India after winning every battle with ceasefire will give Pakistanis a victory….. not acceptable.
 
Hari Sud said:
India Pakistan upcoming war

Indian military’s, military powder is dry and is waiting for Pakistani to come and test it. They won’t do that although pretend that Islamism fired zealots will get them victory. India has moved away from defensive mode to defensive/offensive mode. That means that in last ten years India has built a military muscle to a level where Pakistanis will regret testing Indian resolve. Pin pricks continue.

The Indian military posture:

1. Offensive mode with highly accurate missiles that can reach Sargodha, Rawalpindi, Karachi, Peshawar and other cities without crossing the international border will devastate them.

2. For 50 to 100 km a devastating artillery and multi-rocket fire can get rid of even underground fortifications.

3. India BMD is so smart that it can drop any aircraft or Pakistani Nasser/Ghori/ and other missiles in a single shot. The whole trick is to identify the nuclear loaded missile and shoot it down. That capability has been developed.

4. If Pakistan sends its not so stealthy Chinese made fighter; India has to shoot one down and the whole of Chinese prestige will go down the tube. India has that capability.

5. On the first day of war the Karachi and Gawadar ports are blocked. Their navy has to be invited in an open sea battle. My guess they won’t come as the risk of loosing large ships is very great.

Pakistanis afraid of loosing themselves not crossing international borders. They will make India to cross. India has to cross at Lahore and Sialkote and get as close to the city as possible. That means that if they drop nuclear bomb then the damage on Indian side is minimal and they loose the most in their cities with their own weapons.

Now since they started it hence, India can now bomb their cities and their nuclear storage sites. Good way to end the war on Indian terms.

Western powers especially Briton will persuade India for ceasefire. Never agree to it as it is a way to give Pakistanis a victory. India after winning every battle with ceasefire will give Pakistanis a victory….. not acceptable.
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Calm down... India is as unprepared for war as it was in immediate aftermath of 26/11 attacks. Yes there have been new inductions on our side which have been more than compensated/neutralized by paki inductions.

Not even a single arm of the 3 forces have any substantive edge over their paki counterparts.

There was an edge in attack helicopters that too is not available at the moment with the grounding of entire Dhruv & it's derivates(Rudra) fleet.
 
iNorthernerOn9 said:
Calm down... India is as unprepared for war as it was in immediate aftermath of 26/11 attacks. Yes there have been new inductions on our side which have been more than compensated/neutralized by paki inductions.

Not even a single arm of the 3 forces have any substantive edge over their paki counterparts.

There was an edge in attack helicopters that too is not available at the moment with the grounding of entire Dhruv & it's derivates(Rudra) fleet.
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Navy absolutely has a substantial edge over Paki navy. If you we fight pakis head on in kashmir things will go bad for us, main strategy since 2000s has been to a lead a huge offensive in thier south punjab, cholistan region, with naval blockade.

It's not military, it's more political and diplomatic issues, invading a country like that doesn't go well for narrative purposes.
 
iNorthernerOn9 said:
Calm down... India is as unprepared for war as it was in immediate aftermath of 26/11 attacks. Yes there have been new inductions on our side which have been more than compensated/neutralized by paki inductions.

Not even a single arm of the 3 forces have any substantive edge over their paki counterparts.

There was an edge in attack helicopters that too is not available at the moment with the grounding of entire Dhruv & it's derivates(Rudra) fleet.
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Sir let me know when we are prepared. 10 years back 5 years back down the line in 10 years still we are not prepared.

Itne saare haithiyaar kyon khareed rahe hai, kabhi too bolo yeah we prepared. Same rona dhona
 
TopWatcher said:
Sir let me know when we are prepared. 10 years back 5 years back down the line in 10 years still we are not prepared.

Itne saare haithiyaar kyon khareed rahe hai, kabhi too bolo yeah we prepared. Same rona dhona
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its actually opposite of this issue, we haven't inducted weapons and systems into our forces compared to pakfauj in same time frame, here's the thing pak generals would sell organs of their citizens to get money and buy weapons, in our case despite having a bigger industrial base and money, we still can't buy enugh stuff because of management and commitment issues .

procurement process is just way to long , even govt and def ministry admitted to it.
 
iNorthernerOn9 said:
Calm down... India is as unprepared for war as it was in immediate aftermath of 26/11 attacks. Yes there have been new inductions on our side which have been more than compensated/neutralized by paki inductions.

Not even a single arm of the 3 forces have any substantive edge over their paki counterparts.

There was an edge in attack helicopters that too is not available at the moment with the grounding of entire Dhruv & it's derivates(Rudra) fleet.
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Get lost…. Have confidence in yourself.
 
eastern_bhartiya said:
Navy absolutely has a substantial edge over Paki navy. If you we fight pakis head on in kashmir things will go bad for us, main strategy since 2000s has been to a lead a huge offensive in thier south punjab, cholistan region, with naval blockade.

It's not military, it's more political and diplomatic issues, invading a country like that doesn't go well for narrative purposes.
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The surface fleet has an edge... I agree. In underwater segment we 'are/will be' replacing old kilo & type209 with lesser numbers of scorpenes.

There won't be anything happening across IB atleast in terrestrial domain... Modi/Shah will never do anything that brings Gujarat in direct line of fire.
 
iNorthernerOn9 said:
The surface fleet has an edge... I agree. In underwater segment we 'are/will be' replacing old kilo & type209 with lesser numbers of scorpenes.

There won't be anything happening across IB atleast in terrestrial domain... Modi/Shah will never do anything that brings Gujarat in direct line of fire.
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Your last part pretty much agrees with my second point that, it's a political issue. Pakis can't win a war just by importing and buying stuff, keep in mind they can't even fix their damaged stuff by themselves, pakistan cannot win this war by mean. They have no industrial capacity for a long war of attrition.

war is a lot more than just, who has the fancier weapon , economy is huge part of the war, so it geography. if someone start arguing about how their economy has parity with India then that person is not worth arguing with.

This is why their establishment boasts about nukes so much, that is their only line of defense.
 
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TopWatcher said:
Sir let me know when we are prepared. 10 years back 5 years back down the line in 10 years still we are not prepared.

Itne saare haithiyaar kyon khareed rahe hai, kabhi too bolo yeah we prepared. Same rona dhona
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With the current attitude of minimum possible purchase just to make news headlines we will never be prepared.

"Itne saare hathiyaar..." you have been made to believe so by media... none of our acquisitions in past 10yrs(except for the recent 156× LCH) in any segment fulfil our need of numbers.

Let's bifurcate one by one...

1. Army

Artillery: Pakis have more self propelled howitzers as of now... both tracked & mounted.

Infantry: for that refer to the infantry modernisation thread... the less said the better & am not claiming that pakis are better in this regard.

Armour: I don't see any significant advantage... & Ukraine has blown away all delusions.

Army aviation: 3 months ago it was a thing to boast until all the 300 Dhruv & derivatives were grounded.

2. IAF

Fighters: 23.5 squadrons(not counting mig21 & Jaguars)... the .5 is a mirage squadron that is under strength.

AEWCS: The PAF has 9 AEWCS aircraft enough to mount a 24x7 airborne surveillance of their airspace on rotation... against 6 of ours which are not enough for even a single front.

Airborne SOJ/EW: non existent

Lastly... there are extreme deficiencies in short & very short range air defence capabilities... both qualitative and quantitative.
 
iNorthernerOn9 said:
With the current attitude of minimum possible purchase just to make news headlines we will never be prepared.

"Itne saare hathiyaar..." you have been made to believe so by media... none of our acquisitions in past 10yrs(except for the recent 156× LCH) in any segment fulfil our need of numbers.

Let's bifurcate one by one...

1. Army

Artillery: Pakis have more self propelled howitzers as of now... both tracked & mounted.

Infantry: for that refer to the infantry modernisation thread... the less said the better & am not claiming that pakis are better in this regard.

Armour: I don't see any significant advantage... & Ukraine has blown away all delusions.

Army aviation: 3 months ago it was a thing to boast until all the 300 Dhruv & derivatives were grounded.

2. IAF

Fighters: 23.5 squadrons(not counting mig21 & Jaguars)... the .5 is a mirage squadron that is under strength.

AEWCS: The PAF has 9 AEWCS aircraft enough to mount a 24x7 airborne surveillance of their airspace on rotation... against 6 of ours which are not enough for even a single front.

Airborne SOJ/EW: non existent

Lastly... there are extreme deficiencies in short & very short range air defence capabilities... both qualitative and quantitative.
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Tell me simply when we will be ready??

No end of expectation. Ajj yeh chahye kal woh chahye
 
iNorthernerOn9 said:
With the current attitude of minimum possible purchase just to make news headlines we will never be prepared.

"Itne saare hathiyaar..." you have been made to believe so by media... none of our acquisitions in past 10yrs(except for the recent 156× LCH) in any segment fulfil our need of numbers.

Let's bifurcate one by one...

1. Army

Artillery: Pakis have more self propelled howitzers as of now... both tracked & mounted.

Infantry: for that refer to the infantry modernisation thread... the less said the better & am not claiming that pakis are better in this regard.

Armour: I don't see any significant advantage... & Ukraine has blown away all delusions.

Army aviation: 3 months ago it was a thing to boast until all the 300 Dhruv & derivatives were grounded.

2. IAF

Fighters: 23.5 squadrons(not counting mig21 & Jaguars)... the .5 is a mirage squadron that is under strength.

AEWCS: The PAF has 9 AEWCS aircraft enough to mount a 24x7 airborne surveillance of their airspace on rotation... against 6 of ours which are not enough for even a single front.

Airborne SOJ/EW: non existent

Lastly... there are extreme deficiencies in short & very short range air defence capabilities... both qualitative and quantitative.
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I don't think you can make surface level assessments like that, war is more than just numbers, IMO biggest part is economics, pakis are under so much stress that, just disrupting the normalcy will easily push them over the edge, plus there is issue with both BLA and TTP.

You can say that pak army doesn't care about its people, which is true, but its not like they can leave their citizens to die from hunger and lack of electricity. war is not just armies.

I have already talked about how they can't replace their equipment loses at all, because they have no capacity to do so. A war with Pakistan will not be easy at all because of the points you have listed, but Pakistan will lose eventually.
 
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