Indo US Relations

[truthsoldier]

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[ezsasa]

As far as the US goes what exactly did we gain from this ?

learn how not to do these type of ops, the next time.

another outcome out of this and canadian episode is that, world got a reminder that GoI considers khalistan a terrorism problem, now these statements are on record under oath. it gets a little difficult to claim to not know about it now for foreign exfarts.

ten years ago, foreign crowd wouldn't have associated India with these sort of things, now they do. our domestic discourse is not mature enough to recognise it, but former major powers exfarts recognise signs of a rising power when they see one.

when this whole thing started last year, i said GoI will get to learn a lot of lessons on how to play this game. one does not become proficient overnight, it's a step by step process, provided someone is willing to keep working on acquiring a skill. we are relative newbies in this game.

 

[crazywithmath]

Irrespective of whatever these "facts" are do you see the GoI contradicting them ? Have or haven't we dismissed a government employee acting on government orders making him the fall guy who's now a wanted man by the FBI ?



Let's leave Canada aside . They're a side show. As far as the US goes what exactly did we gain from this ? Now weigh that against what we've lost for that's the true measure of any transaction.

You are not getting my point - if you want to grow big doing ungli with Uncle Sam becomes a necessity. Go through the attached Steno Shishir article, The RAW networks are making Uncle Sam and his chelas uncomfortable. For an agency traditionally limited to the subcontinent in its scope that is a major escalation - and, burgerboys aren't happy. Such escalations will continue...

https://www.hindustantimes.com/analysis/how-five-eyes-bloc-is-trying-to-defang-india-s-counter-terror-intel-apparatus-101714653393769.html

 

[Azaad]

learn how not to do these type of ops, the next time.

another outcome out of this and canadian episode is that, world got a reminder that GoI considers khalistan a terrorism problem, now these statements are on record under oath. it gets a little difficult to claim to not know about it now for foreign exfarts.

ten years ago, foreign crowd wouldn't have associated India with these sort of things, now they do. our domestic discourse is not mature enough to recognise it, but former major powers exfarts recognise signs of a rising power when they see one.

when this whole thing started last year, i said GoI will get to learn a lot of lessons on how to play this game. one does not become proficient overnight, it's a step by step process, provided someone is willing to keep working on acquiring a skill. we are relative newbies in this game.

Come on , how much experience does it require one to understand you don't go about messing with the sole super power in the world especially someone on whom your dependancies are tremendous & increasing from trade to defence to high tech , etc ?

Even Russia or China's not done it & I'm referring to before the Ukraine war in case of the former & as far as the latter's concerned , somebody pointed out the entire Falun Gong leadership is based in the US whom the CCP considers public enemy number 1 apart from other prominent dissidents except if you happen to be spoilt brat MBS which is the reason I specifically referenced the case of Kasshogi here.

We've seen the outcome of that episode. Clearly we didn't factor that into our calculations if we ever did such calculations.

Furthermore I've clearly drawn a distinction between conducting covert operations in Canada as opposed to the US. In fact let me go one step further & state in case Canada hasn't understood the seriousness of our resolve & there are individuals or groups there who plan violent activities in India or are found to be behind such activities here , we should conduct another Operation Nijjar.

I'm pretty clear on that. The US is off limits for the present. There are other ways we can get even with them for the time being .

 

[shade2]

. As far as the US goes what exactly did we gain from this ? Now weigh that against what we've lost for that's the true measure of any transaction

Gain? bro this is a shakedown, this is vasooli, this is extortion It is not a transaction

We don't "get" anything out of it but they are hellbent on making us "give" something.
What that is idk

 

[Azaad]

You are not getting my point - if you want to grow big doing ungli with Uncle Sam becomes a necessity. Go through the attached Steno Shishir article, The RAW networks are making Uncle Sam and his chelas uncomfortable. For an agency traditionally limited to the subcontinent in its scope that is a major escalation - and, burgerboys aren't happy. Such escalations will continue...

https://www.hindustantimes.com/analysis/how-five-eyes-bloc-is-trying-to-defang-india-s-counter-terror-intel-apparatus-101714653393769.html

I just answered /ezsasa's post on it addressing the same issues.

 

[shade2]

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It's not WoRLD CLAsS universities.

It's settlement in Gora Paradise and citizenship.
There "world class universities" are a pathway to working in a "world class organization" in a "global city" i.e some European or Anglo-Saxon jannat on earth.

They sell out because they want to live in a gora paradise and enjoy the booty they have pilfered from the people and state

 

[truthsoldier]

It's not WoRLD CLAsS universities.

It's settlement in Gora Paradise and citizenship.
There "world class universities" are a pathway to working in a "world class organization" in a "global city" i.e some European or Anglo-Saxon jannat on earth.

They sell out because they want to live in a gora paradise and enjoy the booty they have pilfered from the people and state

I agree more than world class universities it is the promise of having a great life in the west is what attracts them. Western universities are only a means to an end

 

[shade2]

In other news, Modiji responding to American ungli with his own ungli _|_ to America with this

2nd Trip In A Year: PM Modi To Attend BRICS Summit In Russia Next Week, With Xi Around

PM Modi will be visiting Russia from October 22-23 to attend the 16th BRICS Summit in Kazan. During his visit, the prime minister is also expected to hold bilateral meetings with his counterparts from BRICS member countries and invited leaders in Kazan, the Ministry of External Affairs (MEA)...

www.timesnownews.com

Even 11, Jinping will be present along with the host, KGB Jamesov Bondski

 

[hurrians]

"Canadian Border Service Agency official named in terror case As per a Times Now report, Sandeep Singh Sidhu, a member of the banned International Sikh Youth Federation (ISYF), who is employed with CBSA, is involved in promoting terrorist activities in Punjab."

India hitting back? Canada's border police officer named in terror case

Canadian PM Trudeau accuses Indian diplomats of involvement in the killing of Khalistani terrorist Hardeep Singh Nijjar, highlighting longstanding issues of Canada's alleged laxity in addressing anti-India elements. India's MEA cites numerous ignored extradition requests and concerns over...

m.economictimes.com

 

[haldilal]

 

[shade2]

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26/11 was a CIA/ISI joint venture to put India in it's place.

And it worked, the pansies of chorgress were busy doing dossier-dossier and didn't savage Uncle Sam's pet pig like they should have

 

[Cheepek]

If the grand strategy is to embarrass India & force us to yield, then someone should tell the punters in State department that 100+ years of negative media coverage khaa khaa ke hum besharam ho gaye hain. It doesn't stick on India anymore. China tried so hard by releasing clips after clips post Galwan, kuch hua kya? Sab khaa ke pacha liya

 

[shade2]

If the grand strategy is to embarrass India & force us to yield, then someone should tell the punters in State department that 100+ years of negative media coverage khaa khaa ke hum besharam ho gaye hain. It doesn't stick on India anymore. China tried so hard by releasing clips after clips post Galwan, kuch hua kya? Sab khaa ke pacha liya

Bharat is Bane, US thinks it is Batman...

Inshallah Batman will have his back broken in the future

 

[sameer]

Found this piece recently. Looks like India is one of the largest supplier of Fentanyl precursors to Mexico(Sinaloa and other cartels) after the cheens. Interesting.

 

[Blademaster]

The wider implications are tomorrow if we bring up extradition of Pannu or some other joker , they'd bring up the extradition of Yadav.

That's the end goal besides ofcourse the right to openly interfere in our internal affairs even if it's a violent intervention where leave aside taking corrective measures we can't even complain now .

Nice self goal by Leaderji & James Doval.

Ok. This is not your first time or second but umpteenth time criticizing Modi and Doval. Tell me how would any other leaders fare well? Are you gonna keep criticizing our leaders like a regular self hating Indian libtard?

 

[hurrians]

"Pratap Bhanu Mehta is the Laurence S. Rockefeller Visiting Professor for Distinguished Teaching at Princeton University. He was previously Vice-Chancellor of Ashoka University, and President, Centre for Policy Research, Delhi. He has previously taught at Harvard, Ashoka University, Jawaharlal Nehru University and has been Global Faculty at NYU Law School. He has published widely in political theory, history of ideas, Indian constitutional law and politics in India. He is the author of The Burden of Democracy (Penguin 2003) and has produced several edited volumes. He is (most recently) co-editor with Madhav Khosla and Sujit Choudhary of The Oxford Handbook to the Indian Constitution. His forthcoming work looks at philosophical ideas about religion in 20th-century India. He is also a Fellow of the British Academy and SSRC Fellow for 2020.

His policy experience includes being Convenor of the Prime Minister of India's Knowledge Commission (2005-2007) and member of India’s National Security Advisory Board. He is also an editorial consultant to the Indian Express. He is a prolific contributor to public debates. He has also published in the Financial Times, Foreign Affairs, and numerous other dailies. He is a winner of the Infosys Prize 2011. His citation for the Infosys Prize, written by a Jury Chaired by Amartya Sen read, "Dr. Pratap Bhanu Mehta has established himself as one of India’s finest scholars and public minds, who has inspired a new generation of intellectual enquiry."

Pratap Bhanu Mehta

Pratap Bhanu Mehta is the Laurence S. Rockefeller Visiting Professor for Distinguished Teaching at Princeton University. He was previously Vice-Chancellor of Ashoka University, and President, Centre for Policy Research, Delhi. He has previously taught at Harvard, Ashoka University, Jawaharlal...

uchv.princeton.edu

The brown coolie aka the professor.


The hitjob

Pratap Bhanu Mehta writes: Forget West, fossilised Khalistanis, Trudeau’s motives

We need to know what is going on for our own sake

indianexpress.com

 

[MasterChief]

The wider implications are tomorrow if we bring up extradition of Pannu or some other joker , they'd bring up the extradition of Yadav.

That's the end goal besides ofcourse the right to openly interfere in our internal affairs even if it's a violent intervention where leave aside taking corrective measures we can't even complain now .

Nice self goal by Leaderji & James Doval.

I would say no..its not a self goal..Extradition itself doesnt bring some great benefit. For countries like US or Canada, which are not our enemies, and especially the US which would like to enlist us as a close partner to militarily deter China, it is farcical to continue to take Indian concerns about Khalistani extremism so lightly..
Just look how seriously US takes any palestinian extremism.. They are instantly proscribed..
So, given the large number of Khalistanis in these countries, it is infinitely better for India to try and bring about a change in US, Canada attitudes towards Khalistani extremism, than go about killing khalistani extremists in these countries.. Even, if RAW killed Khalistani extremists without leaving any trace, the results would be suboptimal as compared to the scenario where Uncle Sam deep state turns hostile to the Khalis..
So, this ham handed attempt to kill Pannun, and the public killing of Nijjar has forced the Khalistan issue to the fore.. Unless, there is a change of heart, where US, Canada polity decides to reign in the Khalistanis, there is simply no way, Modi Gov will substantially deepen security cooperation with US.. The US can as well humiliate us, and force severe punishment on CC1, while still sheltering and supporting Khalistani extremists, but such an endgame will result in a catastrophic end to last 2 decades of deepening Indo US ties.. India might not officially say much, but will go its own way..
India will not put itself in harm's way and invoke Chinese ire to ensure Murican domiance of the pacific..

 

[altruistRor]

Only 2 choices are there
1. Bend down and accept all the humiliation just keep LCA and AMCA on track
2. Stop being lazy and build our own jet engines

India would time and again respond to Canadians in a diplomatic manner unlike them.

Bending down to the Americans. On this, GoI would rather not engage with them. And it's not for fking LCA or AMCA but there are many other important things at stake.

All we need is time.. On the humiliation part, daily millions of men face humiliation at their workplace, does that stop them from working? They keep on living and working in a toxic environment to buy themselves some time, waiting for a day when they become self reliant or achche din.

Same goes for India. What I said is over simplification But an overall picture would remain same.

 

[shade2]

"Pratap Bhanu Mehta is the Laurence S. Rockefeller Visiting Professor for Distinguished Teaching at Princeton University. He was previously Vice-Chancellor of Ashoka University, and President, Centre for Policy Research, Delhi. He has previously taught at Harvard, Ashoka University, Jawaharlal Nehru University and has been Global Faculty at NYU Law School. He has published widely in political theory, history of ideas, Indian constitutional law and politics in India. He is the author of The Burden of Democracy (Penguin 2003) and has produced several edited volumes. He is (most recently) co-editor with Madhav Khosla and Sujit Choudhary of The Oxford Handbook to the Indian Constitution. His forthcoming work looks at philosophical ideas about religion in 20th-century India. He is also a Fellow of the British Academy and SSRC Fellow for 2020.

His policy experience includes being Convenor of the Prime Minister of India's Knowledge Commission (2005-2007) and member of India’s National Security Advisory Board. He is also an editorial consultant to the Indian Express. He is a prolific contributor to public debates. He has also published in the Financial Times, Foreign Affairs, and numerous other dailies. He is a winner of the Infosys Prize 2011. His citation for the Infosys Prize, written by a Jury Chaired by Amartya Sen read, "Dr. Pratap Bhanu Mehta has established himself as one of India’s finest scholars and public minds, who has inspired a new generation of intellectual enquiry."

Pratap Bhanu Mehta

Pratap Bhanu Mehta is the Laurence S. Rockefeller Visiting Professor for Distinguished Teaching at Princeton University. He was previously Vice-Chancellor of Ashoka University, and President, Centre for Policy Research, Delhi. He has previously taught at Harvard, Ashoka University, Jawaharlal...

uchv.princeton.edu

The brown coolie aka the professor.


The hitjob

Pratap Bhanu Mehta writes: Forget West, fossilised Khalistanis, Trudeau’s motives

We need to know what is going on for our own sake

indianexpress.com

Thanks iski kundli nikalne ke liye.

I used to always wonder how a Mihir-Sharma level coolie contributor is on Indian Express