Indo US Relations

I would say no..its not a self goal..Extradition itself doesnt bring some great benefit. For countries like US or Canada, which are not our enemies, and especially the US which would like to enlist us as a close partner to militarily deter China, it is farcical to continue to take Indian concerns about Khalistani extremism so lightly..
Just look how seriously US takes any palestinian extremism.. They are instantly proscribed..
So, given the large number of Khalistanis in these countries, it is infinitely better for India to try and bring about a change in US, Canada attitudes towards Khalistani extremism, than go about killing khalistani extremists in these countries.. Even, if RAW killed Khalistani extremists without leaving any trace, the results would be suboptimal as compared to the scenario where Uncle Sam deep state turns hostile to the Khalis..
So, this ham handed attempt to kill Pannun, and the public killing of Nijjar has forced the Khalistan issue to the fore.. Unless, there is a change of heart, where US, Canada polity decides to reign in the Khalistanis, there is simply no way, Modi Gov will substantially deepen security cooperation with US.. The US can as well humiliate us, and force severe punishment on CC1, while still sheltering and supporting Khalistani extremists, but such an endgame will result in a catastrophic end to last 2 decades of deepening Indo US ties.. India might not officially say much, but will go its own way..
India will not put itself in harm's way and invoke Chinese ire to ensure Murican domiance of the pacific..

US deepstate farms the Khalistanis to use them against India, there is nothing we can do to (((bring about a change in attitudes))), even if tomorrow Raul Vinci & gang take over and sell the nation to the US, even then Pannu and khalis will continue to be farmed because they are paranoid about India, even gaining total control will not change anything from their side, let alone the current scenario where Gobi "disobeys orders" and generally does ungli of Uncle Sam however minor it may seem

Anyway we are the Anvil now, we can only bear.
Inshallah when we become the Hammer, we will strike.

Palestinian extremists get the danda only because of the Jewish lobby in America and other Western lands.
Israel may not behave itself, but the zionist lobby will not allow Unkil or his pets to foster some Filastini jihadis so as to "discipline" Israel.

We are not Da Jooz and our coolies will probably take 30 more year to create such a strong lobby to cause a Gandhian, non-violent change to the current Khalistani farming yojana from US deepstate.
 
US deepstate farms the Khalistanis to use them against India, there is nothing we can do to (((bring about a change in attitudes))), even if tomorrow Raul Vinci & gang take over and sell the nation to the US, even then Pannu and khalis will continue to be farmed because they are paranoid about India, even gaining total control will not change anything from their side, let alone the current scenario where Gobi "disobeys orders" and generally does ungli of Uncle Sam however minor it may seem

Anyway we are the Anvil now, we can only bear.
Inshallah when we become the Hammer, we will strike.

Palestinian extremists get the danda only because of the Jewish lobby in America and other Western lands.
Israel may not behave itself, but the zionist lobby will not allow Unkil or his pets to foster some Filastini jihadis so as to "discipline" Israel.

We are not Da Jooz and our coolies will probably take 30 more year to create such a strong lobby to cause a Gandhian, non-violent change to the current Khalistani farming yojana from US deepstate.
Yes.. 30 years it may take under normal circumstances.. but looks like the Indian government is taking into account the intensfying storm that is slowly corroding US hegemony..
All the Western GDPcels.. tom toming their 10x higher service economy GDP, are left holding their d**k as Russia outproduces the combined might of western economies with hollowed out manufacturing capabilities and hammers NATO backed Ukraine back..
Chinese SHIP building is a bloody 200 times Burger boy ship building capacity..US won WW2 on the back of its ship building capacity which is now in tatters.. US GDP growth is majorly and artificially lifted by obsene levels of government spending, which hit $7 trillion this year..
Xi Jinping life mission is to reunite Taiwan.. He is not waiting long..
And Modi will leverage the oncoming storm to twist yankee b**ls.. We might fail.. But, we will try to twist Uncle Sam's balls anyway ..This is a once in a lifetime opportunity bhai..🫡
 

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Yes.. 30 years it may take under normal circumstances.. but looks like the Indian government is taking into account the intensfying storm that is slowly corroding US hegemony..
All the Western GDPcels.. tom toming their 10x higher service economy GDP, are left holding their d**k as Russia outproduces the combined might of western economies with hollowed out manufacturing capabilities and hammers NATO backed Ukraine back..
Chinese SHIP building is a bloody 200 times Burger boy ship building capacity..US won WW2 on the back of its ship building capacity which is now in tatters.. US GDP growth is majorly and artificially lifted by obsene levels of government spending, which hit $7 trillion this year..
Xi Jinping life mission is to reunite Taiwan.. He is not waiting long..
And Modi will leverage the oncoming storm to twist yankee b**ls.. We might fail.. But, we will try to twist Uncle Sam's balls anyway ..This is a once in a lifetime opportunity bhai..🫡

Aside from their shipbuilding capacity issues, they fucked up with the one meme "stealth" ship design they built, forgot what it was called but it was supposed to have lasers and railguns, this was supposed to be the successor to the current Arleigh-Burke class of Destroyers.

Last i checked they are experimenting with buying some Franco-Italian warships to compensate :pmegusta:
Because now they have to create a more down to earth warship design from scratch and also produce it :bplease:

All Chinkus have to do is bust out of the 1st Island chain, which starts with Taiwan, Japan and Corea del Sud will start trouser-shivering over this for sure, these two loyal vassals may then switch sides, who knows
 
US deepstate farms the Khalistanis to use them against India, there is nothing we can do to (((bring about a change in attitudes))), even if tomorrow Raul Vinci & gang take over and sell the nation to the US, even then Pannu and khalis will continue to be farmed because they are paranoid about India, even gaining total control will not change anything from their side, let alone the current scenario where Gobi "disobeys orders" and generally does ungli of Uncle Sam however minor it may seem

Anyway we are the Anvil now, we can only bear.
Inshallah when we become the Hammer, we will strike.

Palestinian extremists get the danda only because of the Jewish lobby in America and other Western lands.
Israel may not behave itself, but the zionist lobby will not allow Unkil or his pets to foster some Filastini jihadis so as to "discipline" Israel.

We are not Da Jooz and our coolies will probably take 30 more year to create such a strong lobby to cause a Gandhian, non-violent change to the current Khalistani farming yojana from US deepstate.

to understand western relations with Khalistan, one needs to understand western POV on India.
TO THIS DATE, westerners have no concept of 'what holds India together'. They basically think India is held together by a combination of 'Saddam Hussein type govt in centre' and people who are 'too busy escaping poverty to fight for freedom'.

They look at India and ALL OF THEM unanimously scratch their heads as to 'wtf ? 80 years and no coup ? no rebellion ? no mass scale separatism along ethnic lines ? what voodoo magic is this ? They are not Iran or China who just lines up and shoots thousands of dissidents in public, we have NGOs there, who reach out to whiners who whine on everything from caste to gender to poverty to black magic, but no sepearatism ?'.

Because if you look at trajectory of gora lands, democracy of no democracy, ONE THING stands clear- they cannot make 'native diversity' work. Meaning 'diversity' that is like India/Iran/Myanmar etc, where 'diversity' are not 2-5% of 'window dressing' immigrants in cities, but actual 'this is a seperate ethnicity from this part of your country thats been living there for just as long as you've lived here'.

EVERY SINGLE pignat nation has fragmented along ethnic/language lines ( look at yugoslavia, Austro-hungary, etc) or have completely exterminated their indegenous diversity to make a homogenous society( Germany, France, etc) and the only country that 'pretends' to have indegenous diversity- aka UK- basically have no real diversity, as less than 2% of Scots, Welsh and Irish even speak their facking language and are basically 'spicy anglos'.

So they look at India and think 'its a house of cards, one bhindiwala is enough to breakup entire India' and think that farming these types will one day lead to severe Austro-Hungary or Yugoslavia like ethnic conflict mess all over india. They think they are providing the wick to the baroodh barrels that is India, not realizing that THERE ARE NO BAROOD BARRELS of this nature.

Westerners originally didnt sponsor/make the Khalistanis. Pakistan did. Then its Pakistan who played on western psyche of 'austro-hungary/yugoslavia' to convince them that ' 10 bhindiwalas will set punjab on fire, which will make hindustani fauj go shoot-crazy, which will cause domino effect of all the non-hindustanis, like gujjus, assamiya, bongs,southies, etc. to ALSO pick up arms against hindustani tyranny, just like it happened against Austrians in Austro-Hungary or Serbs in Yugoslavia civil war'.

And the west went 'by jove you are right !!! time to sponsor these low hanging fruits of destruction just in case we need them'.
 
I would say no..its not a self goal..Extradition itself doesnt bring some great benefit. For countries like US or Canada, which are not our enemies, and especially the US which would like to enlist us as a close partner to militarily deter China, it is farcical to continue to take Indian concerns about Khalistani extremism so lightly..
Just look how seriously US takes any palestinian extremism.. They are instantly proscribed..
So, given the large number of Khalistanis in these countries, it is infinitely better for India to try and bring about a change in US, Canada attitudes towards Khalistani extremism, than go about killing khalistani extremists in these countries.. Even, if RAW killed Khalistani extremists without leaving any trace, the results would be suboptimal as compared to the scenario where Uncle Sam deep state turns hostile to the Khalis..
So, this ham handed attempt to kill Pannun, and the public killing of Nijjar has forced the Khalistan issue to the fore.. Unless, there is a change of heart, where US, Canada polity decides to reign in the Khalistanis, there is simply no way, Modi Gov will substantially deepen security cooperation with US.. The US can as well humiliate us, and force severe punishment on CC1, while still sheltering and supporting Khalistani extremists, but such an endgame will result in a catastrophic end to last 2 decades of deepening Indo US ties.. India might not officially say much, but will go its own way..
India will not put itself in harm's way and invoke Chinese ire to ensure Murican domiance of the pacific..
Your post seems to suggest that the US & Canada weren't fully aware of the activities Khalistanis were indulging in or the effects their own actions may have had & through negotiations , cajoling & other such measures we'd make them see the light. This is cold blooded practice of realpolitik my friend.

Our relations with the west is purely transactional as China always knew their relationship with the west would be , Russia discovered some time back & our realisation came somewhere in between the realisation which dawned upon the elites in the aforementioned two nations.

I'd argue we've much more in common with China , SE & East Asia than we have with the Middle East or Africa leave aside the West. Here I'm not just referring to the history or the religious cultural & societal similarities though that's very much part of it but the value systems .

Our nowadays much abused Nehru realised as much but couldn't help not travel in 2 boats given China just didn't reciprocate his sentiment. Just as the best is often the enemy of the good , being clever can be the enemy of being wise.

It's because the leadership of the CCP is one bunch of paranoid fucks who just can't stop being control freaks that these natural alliances were jettisoned by us in favour of the west & here we are.
 
to understand western relations with Khalistan, one needs to understand western POV on India.
TO THIS DATE, westerners have no concept of 'what holds India together'. They basically think India is held together by a combination of 'Saddam Hussein type govt in centre' and people who are 'too busy escaping poverty to fight for freedom'.

Fully agree with the rest of your post, but the crux of their paranoia about us by Goras is what i've bolded.
They have many theories but nothing sticks.

They have a lot of colonial era literature that "works" for their divide and rule for that time and for random protests here from time to time, however they cannot answer the core question in bold, or perhaps they don't want to accept the answer.

Perhaps deep down the Anglo-Saxons regret leaving India in one piece in the hubris that it would self-combust like Yugoslavia or Austro-Hungary.

At the end of the day it is the idol-worshiping, polytheistic India with it's many caste and language fissures that is still today in one piece while another "Mazhub is the glue holding us together" pet of the West is in two pieces.

It's because the leadership of the CCP is one bunch of paranoid fucks who just can't stop being control freaks that these natural alliances were jettisoned by us in favour of the west & here we are.

It's both because they are paranoid but also because they view us as weaklings who are destined to be Western slaves, every Quad meeting or purchase from the US feeds their confirmation bias.

The W*st too are control freaks just more insidious than the Chinku
 
Just that USA points fingers at some one does not mean he is involved in any incident.
USA can forget about any action on Vikas Yadav.
 
Fully agree with the rest of your post, but the crux of their paranoia about us by Goras is what i've bolded.
They have many theories but nothing sticks.

They have a lot of colonial era literature that "works" for their divide and rule for that time and for random protests here from time to time, however they cannot answer the core question in bold, or perhaps they don't want to accept the answer.

Perhaps deep down the Anglo-Saxons regret leaving India in one piece in the hubris that it would self-combust like Yugoslavia or Austro-Hungary.

At the end of the day it is the idol-worshiping, polytheistic India with it's many caste and language fissures that is still today in one piece while another "Mazhub is the glue holding us together" pet of the West is in two pieces.

It's both because they are paranoid but also because they view us as weaklings who are destined to be Western slaves, every Quad meeting or purchase from the US feeds their confirmation bias.

The W*st too are control freaks just more insidious than the Chinku
Nope. That's merely mind games. It's right out of the art of deception from Sun Tzu , also known as reverse psychology .

Keep accusing the other party of something constantly till they not only shout themselves hoarse publicly denying those accusations but themselves internalize this thought enough to unconsciously reject it every time such an opportunity presents itself.

They've been using this tactic like many other tactics since the time of Mao when Nehru was the PM except the language used by them then was extremely abusive forgetting that everything has an expiry date.
 
Fully agree with the rest of your post, but the crux of their paranoia about us by Goras is what i've bolded.
They have many theories but nothing sticks.

They have a lot of colonial era literature that "works" for their divide and rule for that time and for random protests here from time to time, however they cannot answer the core question in bold, or perhaps they don't want to accept the answer.

Perhaps deep down the Anglo-Saxons regret leaving India in one piece in the hubris that it would self-combust like Yugoslavia or Austro-Hungary.

At the end of the day it is the idol-worshiping, polytheistic India with it's many caste and language fissures that is still today in one piece while another "Mazhub is the glue holding us together" pet of the West is in two pieces.



It's both because they are paranoid but also because they view us as weaklings who are destined to be Western slaves, every Quad meeting or purchase from the US feeds their confirmation bias.

The W*st too are control freaks just more insidious than the Chinku

The answer is easy for all to see, but no one will ever see this because of 'muh western history bias'.
The answer is, 'India' as a concept has existed for thousands of years and first ever put in practice by the Magadh empire, which has been the aspiration of EVERY SINGLE empire in Indian history ( till the moozies came) strove to unite India as their ultimate goal.

Look at the titles held by practically every single Indian emperor in the 500s-1000 CE period that controlled the north but not the south ( such as Harsha, Palas, Pratiharas, Maukharis, etc) : Uttarapathaswami. Literally 'Lord of the northern route'.
What title do we find most commonly amongst Satavahahas, Chalukyas, Rashtrakutas, Vakatakas ? 'Dakshinapatheswami'. ie, LITERALLY 'lord of the southern route'.
How can you have concept of 'lord of northern half/lord of southern half', if you cannot define what it is the half of ( india) ?
Granted, south is hemmed in with geography, but the north isnt- why are the titles of Uttarapatheswami never ever EVER held by Afghani hindus like hindushahis or turkishahis ? because they DIDNT control the 'northern route' that is route from Tamralipti to Gandhara.

If you look at the Iron pillar of Mehrauli, what is the most exalted upon accomplishment of this 'chandra' from the Iron pillar ? What is he MOST acclaimed for, from the one pillar that clear-cut celebrates him ( this Chandra is most likely Chandragupta Vikramaditya, son of Samudragupta) ?
Answer: being the one who 'united the eastern and western seas and left the southern ocean perfumed with his fragrance' being the nearly precise words of the gupta script inscription.
Again, a very India-centric notion of 'yay we finally conquered all of western and eastern India'.

Notice from Gupta dynasty/Harsha/Shunga dynasty etc. that whenever an emperor did their ashwamedha yajna, they send their horse as far as gandhara and sindh but no further. Ironic, isnt it, given that horses survive and thrive much better in Afghanistan than anywhere east of the Indus, that some royal going 'everywhere the horse steps on is mine' didnt ever go to the land where his horse has better chance of survival ? Even when said lands paid homage to them as vassals, they never saw an ashwamedha horse. Why ? because they are not PART of India in the ancient concept and you dont send your cultural symbols of supremacy to foreigners who dont know what this means.

( a good reason as to why you dont do this, is the Greco-Persian wars. the GENESIS of which, is Sakhamani Persians assuming that the Athenians would 'know' the customs of the great persian empire and know that sending a token of 'earth and water' is sending symbolic vassalage of all land and water under your control to the persians and not some 'lol send them some mud and amphora of water, curious barbarians' like the Athenians thought and their entire initial conflict is from 'fuck u u submitted to being my vassal, fuk u, i didnt, i send u some clay and water coz i thought u r a desert dude' stuff).



Look at the terms we use for Hindu Kush/Suleiman mountains in the oldest sections of our literature :

Hindu Kush region is named as 'Parupreisena' by the Sakhamani Persians ( Its not some dumb Achaemenid dynasty, its Sakhamani- that is the name they used, not as a royal titular descent name as Herodotus assumed, but as the original indo-iranian word 'sakha' meaning friend and 'mani' means 'jewel', aka one who is with many friends/one who is valued as friend, a homage to their multi-ethnic empire) and Paropamisus by the Greeks of the Alexandrine period.
Yet, the term is Sanskrit in origin, being 'Para-uparasthana' - meaning 'beyond (para) the upraised lands'.
The term ONLY makes sense from an Indian POV looking towards Iranian plateau/Central Asia, not otherwise, as Iranian plateau ITSELF is the upraised land and that term must come from outside said region.
Same with Mahabharata - The Hindu kush is named 'paryatra parvata' and is specifically said to be in the western sides of mount meru, aka western sides of jambhudwipa, aka Indian subcontinent.

EVERYWHERE in Indian history you look, there is a very strong sense of 'India' within roughly the same maximal limits as the Indian subcontinent. THIS is the glue that holds India together as psyche, that goes deeper than just religion or shared history and THIS is the part that is singularly ignored in conventional history.
 
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"This college was founded by Late Dr. Diljit Singh Pannun, a highly distinguished personality, popular columnist, administrator and diplomat of high standard."


" Pannun started coming to the spotlight after SFJ started suing prominent Indian political leaders and celebrities when they visited US. SFJ filed cases against Congress’s Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan Singh, during their US visit"


Earlier his Target was ebil Antoio maino , then his Target became ebil moodiji and hindutva.
 
Balwinder Singh Pannu Kotlabama

"I have not talked to him (Avtar) since 2007 when he visited India last. I have been a soldier of the Congress for the last 42 years. I was chairman of the Batala market committee and remained the sarpanch of my village Kotlabama for 25 years. Till recently, I was district vice-president of the Congress."


While we seek cia and csis backing, it would be prudent to check whether bjp congress feuds unknowingly and unintentionally as a side effect aided these elements.
 
Earlier his Target was ebil Antoio maino , then his Target became ebil moodiji and hindutva.

Just proves that he was a CIA da Kutta all along

The sellout Chorgress of today wasn't so in the past, during the time of Maun Mohan they were gunning for Chorgress also, because they had a spine and seat winning capability back then.

Today they live off the crumbs of Uncle Sam, but that was their past
 
Your post seems to suggest that the US & Canada weren't fully aware of the activities Khalistanis were indulging in or the effects their own actions may have had & through negotiations , cajoling & other such measures we'd make them see the light. This is cold blooded practice of realpolitik my friend.

Our relations with the west is purely transactional as China always knew their relationship with the west would be , Russia discovered some time back & our realisation came somewhere in between the realisation which dawned upon the elites in the aforementioned two nations.

I'd argue we've much more in common with China , SE & East Asia than we have with the Middle East or Africa leave aside the West. Here I'm not just referring to the history or the religious cultural & societal similarities though that's very much part of it but the value systems .

Our nowadays much abused Nehru realised as much but couldn't help not travel in 2 boats given China just didn't reciprocate his sentiment. Just as the best is often the enemy of the good , being clever can be the enemy of being wise.

It's because the leadership of the CCP is one bunch of paranoid fucks who just can't stop being control freaks that these natural alliances were jettisoned by us in favour of the west & here we are.
West was fully aware of Khalistani activities.. What I am saying is GOI is forcing US and Canada to confront the issue of Khalistani patronage by these countries.. We might not succeed.. But, let's see how this goes..
 
 
US thinking about shafting Australia and its dream of operating US Built AUKUS nuclear submarines, because Soooperpawar Yanks cant manufacture more than one nuclear SSN a year..
I really hope we ink a couple of $10 billion dollar deals with Russia and France, to develop GTRE Kaveri into full fledged Fighter engines.. Both US intent and mass manufacturing capabilities going forward are suspect.. And as Ukraine war has shown, the era of WW2 style attritional Industrial warfare is back.. Cant depend on Burger boys for hundreds of engines for Tejas MK1,2, AMCA..


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The American Behind India’s 9/11 -- And How U.S. Botched Chances to Stop Him​

 
Looks like we did throw our own under the bus. In mere 3 weeks after US naming they acted on him and kept him in jail for 4 months. If this is not capitulation then what is. Really shameful if true
 
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After cracking down on RT worldwide & putting pressure on other countries to do the same, Lunderican enterprise is now after Rybar Telegram channel.

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Apparently only Lundericans & their boootlickers are allowed to do propaganda sorry "putting their views forward".

We are witnessing huge influx in fake Lunderican propaganda & rewarding of its pliant coolies within India.

Already CNN spread fake news about India causing floods in Bangladesh.

Crooknadian state sponsored pro regime outlet just platformed Pannun.

We should start somewhere
 

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