Israel x Iran Conflict (127 Viewers)

Recently 50 ballistic missiles have been fired by Iran . The capacity to lunch large number of missiles going down gradually with all those strikes . Sooner or later Iran ll have no response but to watch the sky . Iran might have 2000 ballistic missiles that can reach Israel . Can't say how many of those have been lunched and destroyed .. Bombing of launcher vehicles are also a constrain .
 
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Doreamon said:
Recently 50 ballistic missiles have been fired by Iran . The capacity to lunch large number of missiles going down gradually with all those strikes . Sooner or later Iran ll have no response but to watch the sky .
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Brother they have thousands of missiles. But yes, Israel has started targeting the launching vehicles and factories of those vehicles…Iran just doesn’t have sufficiently accurate missiles or air defence batteries to defend against Israeli jets…wonder what happened to their s-300 batteries.
 
Doreamon said:
Recently 50 ballistic missiles have been fired by Iran . The capacity to lunch large number of missiles going down gradually with all those strikes . Sooner or later Iran ll have no response but to watch the sky .
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This is why indigenous 'complete' military industrial complex is required which can produce turbofan engines to missiles .

Despite iran had an indigenous military industrial complex but it wasn't complete as they didn't had good 4 to 4.5 gen jet and engine manufacturing units as drones and missiles lacked the 2000km range efficiency.

If iran had good refuellers,long range heavy jets,long range bombers,awacs things would have been different.

Hence india must focus on twin engine and single engine heavy jets with long range bvrs and good linked awacs along with long range unmanned and manned bombers.
 
Waanar said:
If US gets dragged into Iran with any level of serious commitment, China will 100% make a run for Taiwan. Guess who gets belted by us then?:shoot:

I'm torn on this. On one hand, US getting involved allows us to start fucking with Pakistan later down the line. On the other, India's energy security gets threatened although I feel like that boat has sailed already with Israel bombing Iran's oil all over the country.
Opinions, people?
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A US vassal in the neighborhood will only strengthen the hand of Pakistan.
This is why I strongly am against any kind of change to the Ayatollah regime. The more fragmented Muslims are, the better. The more US hating the middle east is, the better.
We should strongly discourage US from any kind of excursions in our sphere of influence. Iran is not even middle east proper, it's just the border country of once Akhand Bharat. So in my opinion, the time to express our displeasure is now.
 
Can someone educate the forum on who uses Iranian oil and gas? We know they supply China primarily and turkey has gas pipeline with them.

I think Pakistan should also be affected since they smuggle petroleum products from across Baluchistan Iran border.
 
neelaslayer said:
This is why indigenous 'complete' military industrial complex is required which can produce turbofan engines to missiles .

Despite iran had an indigenous military industrial complex but it wasn't complete as they didn't had good 4 to 4.5 gen jet and engine manufacturing units as drones and missiles lacked the 2000km range efficiency.

If iran had good refuellers,long range heavy jets,long range bombers,awacs things would have been different.

Hence india must focus on twin engine and single engine heavy jets with long range bvrs and good linked awacs along with long range unmanned and manned bombers.
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Well if we’ve learnt anything at all from this, early warning and strong air defence is the first line of defence, apart from intelligence.
 
Waanar said:
This is weird, isn't it? Iranians were rioting on the streets for that poor girl killed by IRGC but now that they have golden opportunity to kick the mullah regime out, they're sitting it out?

Very disorganised. US could establish a training camp across the border right now and start training and sending local back and forth. If you guys are familiar with PUK or KDPI or Komala, they do the same thing but they don't have official state backing.
Iran's border with Iraq, while rather hard for conventional troops, are very porous. Drug smugglers, guerrillas, human traffickers have free reign there.
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It doesn't happen that way. Especially not when Israel is attacking. If the regime is weakened, things will happen post this conflict but unless the Iranian military is completely weakened or destroyed, unarmed civilians have few options.
 
Waanar said:
This is weird, isn't it? Iranians were rioting on the streets for that poor girl killed by IRGC but now that they have golden opportunity to kick the mullah regime out, they're sitting it out?
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Citizens tend to rally around the flag when faced with an external enemy irrespective the state government's popularity.

Plenty of such precedents in history from Stalin's CCP facing the Nazis down especially in Stalingrad - the turning point in WW-2 , the Chinese rallying around Chiang Kai Shek ( though admittedly the Guomindang & Chiang weren't as hated or feared as the others in this list ) & the Guomindang when faced with an invasion from Japan & Iran itself in 1980 where the 1979 revolution hadn't thrown up a clear winner & Saddam Hussain came calling invading Iran at the behest of the West & the Gulf Sheikhdoms.

Ordinary people took up arms to defend Iran while the Mullahs consolidated their rule slaughtering their opponents at home & leading the war effort uniting the people under their rule , using the war & patriotism as underlying reasons.
Waanar said:
Very disorganised. US could establish a training camp across the border right now and start training and sending local back and forth. If you guys are familiar with PUK or KDPI or Komala, they do the same thing but they don't have official state backing.
Iran's border with Iraq, while rather hard for conventional troops, are very porous. Drug smugglers, guerrillas, human traffickers have free reign there.
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A revolution - any revolution requires certain pre requisites to succeed - a rebel group/s actively pursuing displacement of the current regime . absolute annihilation of the current regime like that of the Nazis in WW-2 or a deep schism within the ruling party for whatever reason like a financial collapse , clash of interests over the spoils of office , clash of ideologies even , a war going badly forcing recalibration which the ruling faction isn't willing to consider & so on.

Iran doesn't fulfill any of these criteria till date . The ruling party has held fort & even if there are differences within ,they haven't let it get out in the wider world for whom they are an extremely cohesive unit.

This war too is unlikely to trigger off any of the aforementioned responses for a revolution. However what it can do is trigger doubts in the minds of those who feel the ruling party is pursuing the wrong path by getting into unnecessary confrontations while the country itself is sinking on all parameters.

Do remember this is the first time Iran is at war after the end of the Iran Iraq war in 1988. That's almost 4 decades ago. A completely new generation or 2 have come into existence since.

While they've known deprivation & have made their peace with it , they haven't known both war & deprivation which makes the latter worse.
 
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