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This means pretty much whole of Iran is in IAF striking range
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Map wouldn't be so simple
They are possibly operating from Azharbaijan, Turkey, Eye-rack or Packi-stan or the Gulf countries and firing ALBM/ALCM from their planes from a distance.

Or

Iran is so nanga rn that they are launching from within Irani airspace uncontested :bplease:
 
Pakistan is just an annoyance at best. The real threat comes from PLA rocket force. They have the largest TBM inventory, and could overwhelm our existing AD. That's why project Kusha is so important.

Iran is learning photoshop from their brother, the porkis. Why is the afterburner glowing after the crash lmao? Also the canopy is intact.
You know in a war there is a chance that these kind of photo ops are provided by the west itself to discredit the opposition.
 
Map wouldn't be so simple
They are possibly operating from Azharbaijan, Turkey, Eye-rack or Packi-stan or the Gulf countries and firing ALBM/ALCM from their planes from a distance.

Or

Iran is so nanga rn that they are launching from within Irani airspace uncontested :bplease:
Yeah, I meant IAF striking range to include ALBM.

Could also be covert operators with Spike NLOS and portable loitering munitions. Or from a possible drone base in Azerbaijan for Harop/Harpy type munition.
 
Drones ≠ Ballistic Missiles

Drones are easy to neutralize. Ballistic missiles are a totally different ball game. Imagine a saturated BM attack on our heavily populated cities. 100s of BM falling on a small area can saturate any SAM system. It is difficult to defend against any saturation attack, be it drones, rocket, CMs with a missile based defence system. And let's not forget that unlike drones and CMs that travel at sub-sonic speeds which are relatively easy to track and intercept, BMs at terminal phase approach it's target at hypersonic speed.

It took US THAAD, SM-2ER and SM-3 assisting Israeli Arrow 2 and Arrow 3 to shoot down 100+ BMs out of the launched 150 (approx).

Our AD is designed against jets, CMs and drones.
S-400 has limited BMD capability. Our own phase 1 is deployed but even with phase 2, we can't say for sure that we can defend against what Israelis are facing.

The Jews have

>Best AD in the region given that they face all kinds of missile attack on a regular basis
>AD provided by their own aircraft
>Goora slaves like US providing AD via ship, land and aircraft
>Gulf countries also doing a little bit of AD chupke chupke

And yet the missiles of Eron hit some of their cities
Imagine just how much they are throwing at them. :o

Piglets don't have the quantity or quality of missiles the Eyeranians have, neither do we have such AD operational for now that can tank 100s of ballistic missiles.

Our folks must kang and gloat over some other topic, this current conflict both in terms of what is being put out and what is being shot out of the sky is beyond what we would have to deal from the Piglet mulq next door.

Maybe the Chongs would be our Eyeran, hope our AD is even better than our current status, including large scale Kusha deployments
 
The Jews have

>Best AD in the region given that they face all kinds of missile attack on a regular basis
>AD provided by their own aircraft
>Goora slaves like US providing AD via ship, land and aircraft
>Gulf countries also doing a little bit of AD chupke chupke

And yet the missiles of Eron hit some of their cities
Imagine just how much they are throwing at them. :o

Piglets don't have the quantity or quality of missiles the Eyeranians have, neither do we have such AD operational for now that can tank 100s of ballistic missiles.

Our folks must kang and gloat over some other topic, this current conflict both in terms of what is being put out and what is being shot out of the sky is beyond what we would have to deal from the Piglet mulq next door.

Maybe the Chongs would be our Eyeran, hope our AD is even better than our current status, including large scale Kusha deployments
how do you have meme names for every country dude?
 
Map wouldn't be so simple
They are possibly operating from Azharbaijan, Turkey, Eye-rack or Packi-stan or the Gulf countries and firing ALBM/ALCM from their planes from a distance.

Or

Iran is so nanga rn that they are launching from within Irani airspace uncontested :bplease:
Turkey fears that Israel might in a decade, be at war with it, as Turkish influence in Syria rises . So, Not Turkey. Turkish sidekick Azerbaijan is a probable launchpad.. but that could antagonize Turkey somewhat..
 
Logic might have been that it's pointless since the Gulfies and Israel would be armed with the best from the West.

Instead they played to their """""""""strengths"""""""""" of jihadi proxies and various missiles.

It actually sounds like the Mullahs there are the national security planner version of dalal Academics like that Raghuram Rajan, who continuously shills his ((( comparative advantage ))) creed everywhere :bplease:
Could very well be the US warned Russia & China against exports of cutting edge weapons or their technology to Iran.

That consensus broke down once Trump & later Biden assumed office. However by the time Iran could capitalise on it , they actually believed & carried their belief of being Imam Ali's representative on earth to fight injustice too far .

See this is the dilemma all sponsors of proxies face . Reason you've proxies is mostly coz you can't fight your opponents fair & square .

You then assemble proxies for they're expendable. The dilemma arises when you yourself are too ideologically committed to the goal you share with your proxies. Then the lines get blurred. Iran never quite solved this dilemma & got sucked into events now beyond its control.

The counter point is also equally important. You've Fauji Foundation next door who also is a sponsor of proxies. However Fauji Foundation is very clear about its fundamentals. The proxies are expendable.

Up until now they haven't exactly faced a challenge. They kept successive administrations in India off guard with N blackmail every time we got ready to retaliate.

Their real test comes now when we are taking them down one by one courtesy namaloom afraad & thru air strikes in Balakot earlier & now across Paxtan.

If the proxies sense loss of enthusiasm for jihad or dilution in ideology or commitment there's a good chance these proxies would turn on the sponsor.

We've already the case of JeM planning the assassination of Musharraf only to be busted by Fauji Foundation with Masood Azhar spending quite a few years in house arrest . So that's the other side of the coin.

I've also been given to understand in the case of Iran the clergy is so all pervading & all powerful that if they command the army to do something & the general expresses his inability he's either replaced with a pliable general or they get the IRGC to do their bidding.

In other words there's no professionalism. Compared to them our babooos & dhotis come out of this smelling of roses. Hence this cumulative failure is also in great part due to the way the system is designed & run.

Incidentally you'd see much the same with China where political commissars rule the roost over professionals including the Army.
 
I fail to understand, why didn't Iran build its air force. They could have bought aircraft from Russia and China. They are operating obsolete American aircraft from the Shah's era. They could have invested money in Sukhoi 27s at least.
Modern fighter jets cost money. The Russian SU 35S at 85 million dollars per is not cheap. When you add the armaments & maintenance to it, you are looking at $150+ million per fighter jet. Further, Russia is not known for its after-sales service, which means a 150 million dollar elephant will stay grounded for an extended amount of time if it needs service.
 
The challenges Israeli AD faced are nothing compare to Indian AD's.

If you notice Israel have done a lot of censorship over missiles hit on it's cities. But we can safely assume Iranians have 10% hit rate against Israeli ADs(90% interceptions).

In similar situation even if our ADs achieve 80% success they should be considered better then Iron Dom.

Why?

1. Israel is a country only 420+ km long, you place 1 S400 missile battery in center and whole country will be covered.
2. Iran and Israel have 1600+ km distance, which give a lot of time to react against even ballistic missiles.
3. Israel is being supported by a lot of other countries intercepting these missiles.
4. Distance also makes the threat uni directional. Only targets they have to counter are either long range slow Drones or ballistic missiles.
5. Iranian air force is non existent.

Now compare that with the threat we face...

1. Border is 3300+ km long with just pakistan, we also have to guard 7000+ KM cost line and 4000+ chinese border as well.
2. We share border with Pakistan so reaction time is couple of minutes.
3. No support from any other nation.
4. Pakistan does have very good airforce by Iranian standard.
5. Since we do share border pretty much everything is a threat right from Mortar, Artillery shells, FPV/Swarm drones, PGM, loitering munitions, Kamikaze drones, fighter jets, a very wide variety of missiles (Surface to surface, Air to surface, air to air, surface to air, cruise, ballistic) travelling at different altitude and with different speed targeting various places.

Just imagine the challenges our command and control and battle management systems has to handle.

A lot of above mentioned threats were used in 100s on numbers against and we didn't fail, so just because BMs were not in hundreds on numbers doesn't mean our ADs didn't face any challenge, actually it was worse then what Israel is facing.

Your description of the threats and challenges faced by us and how they are different than what Israelis are facing is incredible.

However, I'd like to repeat my point which is in my previous post. A drone/CM saturation attack is easy to tackle compared to a BM saturation attack with a missile based defence system.

Drones and most CMs fly at sub-sonic speeds and that's what makes them easy to detect, track and engage (not talking about stealth CMs like scalp).
BMs falls at hypersonic speed. Even if you can detect and track them, it's futile if you can't intercept them in their boost phase. It takes a couple of very expensive missiles to shoot them down in their terminal phase. And let's not talk about money here.
Also, Iran is launching them from far away thus making it difficult for the US/Israelis to intercept them in boost phase but in our case, we can shoot down Porki BMs before they reach terminal phase due to their lack of "strategic depth".

Our AF had the brains to upgrade their AD guns and use them to engage those cheap drones. Had we used missiles like Israelis used to against Hamas and Hezbollah cheap unguided rockets, we would have been saturated and lost the battle.
 
Pakistan members are very frustrated after Israel Airstrikes on Iran Today. Yesterday there was a sense of elation after yesterday Ballistic Missile launches, But today when IAF destroyed Oil refineries one after another, First there was a Denial, Anger, Frustration. Theory of F35 shot down did not come today because damage sustained was too huge to offset propaganda of a female pilot being captured. Pakistan members wanted to prolong the conflict till the last Iranian person, Pakistan members wanted GCC countries to come out of their comfort zones and launch ground assault on Israel. When some GCC members and Iranian members asked Pakistan why can’t they take the initiative and cut the ties with western world, every Pakistan member was silent.
 

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