Israel x Iran Conflict (28 Viewers)

Maybe you should find a nearby barbershop to spend time then.
Entire forum is based on speculation except it should be within reasonable limits & done in a civic manner.

Want certainties ? Go to the astrologers on YT & abuse them if they get it wrong or read the morning news on yesterday's events which's usually confirmed & vetted . No need to waste time on forums then.
 
The Chinese will move only if they're totally prepared to do so convinced that come what may they WILL succeed against Taiwan irrespective the US & it's allies interfere directly or otherwise. This is a do or die situation for them or at least it is so for Xi Jinping.

That's a 100 times better than being unprepared or underprepared like Iran or Paxtan respectively were when undertaking what they did.


I think it's becoming amply clear that none of these organisations had the wherewithal to challenge Israel if the latter got into its elements.

Beginning 2006 when Israel withdrew from Lebanon in what the ME tried to portray as an Israeli defeat to Hezbollah , the Israelis got back to the drawing board to see where it went wrong. They had 17 years to plan out Hezbollah's destruction which they utilised rather well.

As far as Iran goes , going by recent events , Israel would've taken them on even otherwise going by Iran's repeated attempts to undermine Israel's security . Their N programs acted only as a red rag to the Israelis.

To the latter's luck the Iranians with their proxies staged the October 2023 attacks & precipitated their own downfall. Of course a good deal of what I'm writing is hindsight.

But it's inconceivable Israel , the US & Europe didn't have a plan to take down the Iranian NWP or even their regime just that Obummer onwards they didn't pursue that option for one reason or another & the Iranians got smug thinking they'd deterred the West & Israel given it's network of proxies.



Russia is a curious case. The aim seems to have been to prevent the Russians team up with the Chinese when the west moved against them in a confrontation. The alternative view is the Biden administration undertook what they did in Ukraine with a view to tie down Russia , increase the dependency of their European allies on the US & cripple the EU's economy by forcing a breakdown in their energy dependency on Russia.

The US was never comfortable with the EU's emerging economic clout for that's usually a prelude to independent decision making . That's what the French were planning since long with ze Germans except Merkel was ambivalent about the entire thing.
With the UK out of the EU , the US lost leverage over the EU given the UK has always played a spoiler to the EU becoming more independent in its decision making unaligned to the US's policies.

There's another school of view that Biden given his old ties to China undertook what he did in the Ukraine Russia affair so that the US would focus on Russia instead of China. There was an ample bipartisan Cold Warrior lobby in the US who wanted Russia cut down to size who willingly obliged.


The US's enemies are down but by no means out. If I was a senior CCP functionary I'd see all elements ranged against the US & potentially my allies are either tied down or were more hype than substance.

I'd also know if my goal is to take Taiwan & cement my legacy as one of the greats in Chinese history the window of opportunity is closing more so since in any case the US is determined to undermine all its rivals one way or another .

Hence as soon as I'm in position to move I'd do so. From our PoV , suits us to see a US buoyed by recent successes willing to take on a China & a CCP thinking it's time to rule the world has come .

Our only problem is Leaderji hasn't prepared our defences adequately. It's what we know as adha dadhi. Had we done so probably we'd have deterred the Chinese. If the Chinese decide they want a little practice match with us to test preparedness , we're in for a lot of fun.

Then again no nation has occupied top spot in the world without proving itself in war . We need it more than anyone else primarily to shed our pacifism which has sapped the masculinity of our leadership & Sanatan society (something the Israelis vowed they'd never succumb to after they emerged from the holocaust. Hence permanent wars for permanent peace ) .

This is essential for our character development , when the existential wars begin in the sub continent .
Excellent points made by you. Always a good read.

I also think chinese are actually thinking of taking the bull by horns. If thats the case i think they will need atleast 5-6 more years. So, No Taiwan invasion till 2030s.

I don't see how a direct conflict with India give them a good practise. It has the chance to devolve into a long protracted war. If Modi is at helm be sure he will not cave. So, They will have to use a proxy. Only porkies can. But porkies are under western leash. So, It will make sense for them to actually go for taiwan first. Take down the global hegemon and India will automatically fall in line.

About Indian Cuckery. It will continue till Nehru and Gandhi gets respect in this country.
 
I know what hezbollah is. If you are so scared about the battle why even poke the giant?? Its not like Israeli's have not made their intent clear. Israelis have publicly and multiple times made their intent clear. Still, Mullah and Hezbollah continued the antagonistic rhetoric. What they were expecting in return?? Israel will wet itself??

Take the cue from Pakistan. Once Modiji made it clear that India will bring justice to the families of murdered Hindu tourists in Pahalgam. The porkies went on overdrive to distance and play victim. Have you even seen a terrorist organization issue a statement of auditing itself and retracting back from its earlier claims???
But no Hezbollah and Mullah with their power of Allah had to chimp.
If wars were based on pure logic, many of them would never have happened. Iran thought the fall of Assad unlikely or never even considered it. Once it did and Israelis immediately neutralized every piece of Machinery Syrian state had which would allow it to contest their own airspace, it became a grazing ground for Israeli refuellers.
At the very start of the conflict, way before the unconfirmed sightings of their refuellers over Deir Ez Zour, my very first question on this thread was-
Where are the Israeli refuellers flying to allow F35s such range?
Over international waters? Gulf airspace?

I don't think F35s have enough max range to allow them to infil and exfil back to Israel so where are their refuellers? Are gulf countries letting them use their airspace?
I never even considered the Syrian Airspace because I didn't know Israelis bombed inactive SAMs too when SAA got overrun (incredible intel work probably because inactive SAMs aren't eating HARMs so their location was probably pinpointed by GIS, OSINT or HUMINT). Also doesn't seem like Shara is too intent on being bombed himself so even if some SAM systems remain, he isn't going to risk it or himself for Iran. Iran actively used Hezbollah against Al Nusra during the civil war.
Back on topic, Iran probably never imagined SAA would lose total control of Syria overnight and extend Israeli AF's reach right up to Tehran.
Even then, they maybe considered the stop-gap measure of having their puppet PMU militiamen in Iraqi Parliament to manage to keep control of their airspace and unfortunately for them, the best Iraqi SAM (AFAIK) is Pantsir. It's stupid easy to avoid for Israeli planes with it's garbage range (and Iraqi parliament's word doesn't supersede USA's boot).

Iranians getting caught off guard is entirely their own fault. Overreliance on unconventional tactics with zero capabilty to defend themselves but they probably believed they would stay safe and even if Israelis do manage to hit them kinetically, it would be a strategic zero day exploit strike after which they would fire a few missiles at Tel Aviv and call it a day.

NO ONE expected Israelis to use their planes like mobile artillery over entirety of Iran and continue to bomb whatever they want with zero inhibitions for weeks.
I can not honestly blame the Iranians there.

They were in a very good place to continue chimping out till they suddenly weren't.
 
Taiwan is barely 130 odd kms from Chinese mainland in a military conflict all chinese need to do is fck up Taiwan by Rocket force and deter US navy by few hypersonic shots on Taiwan ships …

PLA will start landing in force with in couple of days …

Losses will be thr but in next 5 or 10 years chinese will start losing manpower massively this is the best window chinese have…

India will not do a thing also that is given now
Naval landing is messy.
Russia is not able to land in ukraine even after 3 years.

Taiwan makes their own weapons and they have several anti shop supersonic missiles so chongs will easily face thousands of casualties.
Same thing will happen if they try this in Ladakh or arunachal but difference is that if they attack Taiwan they will be bombarded with sanctions.

Not sure if Western sanctions even work on chongs as they export mostly food and electronics
 
One thing I am not able to understand…

Why the fck chinis are not starting Taiwan campaign when … USA is involved in multiple regions with almost zero support from allies


India wont do a shit also



this is the best time for eleven ching ping to take over Taiwan

Actually US and Israel have done their war gaming nicely.

Russia is busy in Ukraine.

China is too busy with it's own issues debt crisis is growing astronomically economy is shit.

But the biggest challenge to China is internal political struggle. Eleven ching ping's leader ship itself in struggle and he is scared of his own life. Multiple commanders have been purged in last few years. Everything is not fine between PLA and CCP.
 
PAkistan existence is the biggest threat for bharat and will be in future india should complete its strategy of completely finishing pakistan on world map by hook or crook.

There won't be a final war with Pakistan so soon. We will keep on hitting them under Sindoor type operation hitting their capabilities while still keeping escalation ladder in check.

This time they have lost most of there ADs, next time they might lose it completely with massive damage to Airforce and Navy. We should not for a full scale war and leave PA for BLA and TTP. If stretched enough constantly they will break apart.
 
Actually US and Israel have done their war gaming nicely.

Russia is busy in Ukraine.

China is too busy with it's own issues debt crisis is growing astronomically economy is shit.

But the biggest challenge to China is internal political struggle. Eleven ching ping's leader ship itself in struggle and he is scared of his own life. Multiple commanders have been purged in last few years. Everything is not fine between PLA and CCP.

Actually the issues u described for eleven ping ping should be the exact reason chings should do chong on Taiwan 🤣
 
perhaps it is wise to see for what it is rather than what you want to see, it's up to you.

if you have time to spare, take the initiative, go down the rabbit hole with an open mind and find out why hezbollah behaves the way they do, and share with other members what you have discovered/learnt.
I see what it is. They are decapitated and its now past.

The problem with Hezbollah was intensity not compliance with some law.
 
Actually the issues u described for eleven ping ping should be the exact reason chings should do chong on Taiwan 🤣

Well that would have been possible if Xi still had control. With news coming out it seems he doesn't. Will PLA take his orders itself is in question.
 
Entire forum is based on speculation except it should be within reasonable limits & done in a civic manner.

Want certainties ? Go to the astrologers on YT & abuse them if they get it wrong or read the morning news on yesterday's events which's usually confirmed & vetted . No need to waste time on forums then.
Are bhai sahab, why you quote me? Quote the OP. : 😂
 
Naval landing is messy.
Russia is not able to land in ukraine even after 3 years.

Taiwan makes their own weapons and they have several anti shop supersonic missiles so chongs will easily face thousands of casualties.
Same thing will happen if they try this in Ladakh or arunachal but difference is that if they attack Taiwan they will be bombarded with sanctions.

Not sure if Western sanctions even work on chongs as they export mostly food and electronics
Chinese have massive food dependency. They import about ~80% of their food, and is the largest importer of food. They industrialized at the cost of agriculture.

Right sanctions can be as effective as a mediaeval siege.
 
Chinese have massive food dependency. They import about ~80% of their food, and is the largest importer of food. They industrialized at the cost of agriculture.

Right sanctions can be as effective as a mediaeval siege.
If they are importing so much food, then all the Naval forces of the adversary need to do is a blockade, a watertight one. That too not near China, blockade in all places where they take the food from, country of origin. China's navy will be spread thin and they'll starve. We can take them out at that point.
 
If wars were based on pure logic, many of them would never have happened. Iran thought the fall of Assad unlikely or never even considered it. Once it did and Israelis immediately neutralized every piece of Machinery Syrian state had which would allow it to contest their own airspace, it became a grazing ground for Israeli refuellers.
At the very start of the conflict, way before the unconfirmed sightings of their refuellers over Deir Ez Zour, my very first question on this thread was-

I never even considered the Syrian Airspace because I didn't know Israelis bombed inactive SAMs too when SAA got overrun (incredible intel work probably because inactive SAMs aren't eating HARMs so their location was probably pinpointed by GIS, OSINT or HUMINT). Also doesn't seem like Shara is too intent on being bombed himself so even if some SAM systems remain, he isn't going to risk it or himself for Iran. Iran actively used Hezbollah against Al Nusra during the civil war.
Back on topic, Iran probably never imagined SAA would lose total control of Syria overnight and extend Israeli AF's reach right up to Tehran.
Even then, they maybe considered the stop-gap measure of having their puppet PMU militiamen in Iraqi Parliament to manage to keep control of their airspace and unfortunately for them, the best Iraqi SAM (AFAIK) is Pantsir. It's stupid easy to avoid for Israeli planes with it's garbage range (and Iraqi parliament's word doesn't supersede USA's boot).

Iranians getting caught off guard is entirely their own fault. Overreliance on unconventional tactics with zero capabilty to defend themselves but they probably believed they would stay safe and even if Israelis do manage to hit them kinetically, it would be a strategic zero day exploit strike after which they would fire a few missiles at Tel Aviv and call it a day.

NO ONE expected Israelis to use their planes like mobile artillery over entirety of Iran and continue to bomb whatever they want with zero inhibitions for weeks.
I can not honestly blame the Iranians there.

They were in a very good place to continue chimping out till they suddenly weren't.
Israeli decimation of Syrian air assets is very much public and so is their capture of strategic heights in Syria. Netanyahu even went to that hill. Syrian air space since has been under complete Israeli control. Its use thus should not come as a surprise. The real surprise is Saudi letting Israeli's use their airspace.

Israelis were already using their planes like mobile artillery in Hamas. So, it should not be a surprise either.

Now, A lot of water has flown under the bridge. What has happened has happened.
 
Well that would have been possible if Xi still had control. With news coming out it seems he doesn't. Will PLA take his orders itself is in question.
I think thats not true. Chinese strictly adhere to the authority. Xi Still has control. If he can go take a part in international event. It means he has control.
 
If they are importing so much food, then all the Naval forces of the adversary need to do is a blockade, a watertight one. That too not near China, blockade in all places where they take the food from, country of origin. China's navy will be spread thin and they'll starve. We can take them out at that point.
It'll be difficult to blockade Russia, and Central Asia regions. Quite a bit comes from there. It'll be a long drawn affair that slowly chokes them and causes famines.
 
Chinese have massive food dependency. They import about ~80% of their food, and is the largest importer of food. They industrialized at the cost of agriculture.

Right sanctions can be as effective as a mediaeval siege.
They're much more well prepared for a seige cum comprehensive sanctions than you or I can possibly fathom -




You can do this excercise for any & every other parameter you think would be a disincentive for China taking on the west in pursuit of Taiwan beginning with their oil dependency.
 
Chinese have massive food dependency. They import about ~80% of their food, and is the largest importer of food. They industrialized at the cost of agriculture.

Right sanctions can be as effective as a mediaeval siege.
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China's agri production.
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United States
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for India.

where are the things that you claimed reflected in the data?

Do you really think India, China or United States, top three countries with the most arable land will have food being what limits them??
 
@shade2 -- It looks like President Putin heard the conversation between you and me 😂 He went ahead and clarified:

a. Iran has not asked for Russian help in the current crisis
b. Russia's strategic treaty with Iran does not include a defense clause
c. When Russia and Iran signed the treaty, Russia offered comprehensive air defense plan to Iran but Iran refused

It is bizarre that Iran went ahead and constructed so many expensive nuclear facilities and did not think that it was imperative to build robust air defense infrastructure.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqaXh3zr2uw


Money blown up on supporting jihadi proxies and missiles
No money to pay Putya.

Russia doesn't do charity, it's not the Soviet Union anymore
 

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