LCA TEJAS MK-I & MK-IA: News and Discussion

[FactsPlease]

Will appreciate someone help me on this:

I understand almost everyone in this forum defends HAL performance as "order more, get more", i.e. should there be NO big (enough) order, HAL can NOT invest, can NOT increase the production capacity nor the deliver pace.

However, I'm looking at it the other way: isn't HAL a PSU, so called "(Defence) Public Sector Unit"? Means it's sort of a government division. Means it's part of GoI. Means it shares all the responsibility of GoI - an "ultimate" one is to defend the country.

Then why, when come to LCA case, HAL is entitled that it can only invest when there is a big (enough) order? Isn't that only private entity entitled to do that?
Or, head of HAL got a KPI about capacity utilization rate? Like if he didn't make best of capacity (to a certain level), he will loose his year-end bonus? And that KPI is beyond its (and thus GoI) responsibility to defend India?

One step further: exactly what/whose call to decide PSU about capacity, delivery-pace, (low) investment return, when there is urgent needs in national security?

Buck has to stop somewhere, my friends...

 

[Bleh]

The Indian Navy's plan to procure 12 LCA-Navy Trainer aircraft for deck-based pilot training is final then. They refer to"naval officer as sources"

Indian Navy’s LCA-Navy Trainer Procurement Delayed for Further Testing and Configuration – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

...plus this was on news repeatly.

ADA Chief Confirms Delay in Navy’s Acquisition of LCA-Navy Carrier-Based Fighter Squadron – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[KAB7777]

The Indian Navy's plan to procure 12 LCA-Navy Trainer aircraft for deck-based pilot training is final then. They refer to"naval officer as sources"

Indian Navy’s LCA-Navy Trainer Procurement Delayed for Further Testing and Configuration – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

...plus this was on news repeatly.

ADA Chief Confirms Delay in Navy’s Acquisition of LCA-Navy Carrier-Based Fighter Squadron – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

You really should stop taking IDRW so seriously mate. Take whatever they say with a big pinch of salt.

 

[Bleh]

You really should stop taking IDRW so seriously mate. Take whatever they say with a big pinch of salt.

Hopium

 

[shade2]

The Indian Navy's plan to procure 12 LCA-Navy Trainer aircraft for deck-based pilot training is final then. They refer to"naval officer as sources"

Indian Navy’s LCA-Navy Trainer Procurement Delayed for Further Testing and Configuration – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

...plus this was on news repeatly.

ADA Chief Confirms Delay in Navy’s Acquisition of LCA-Navy Carrier-Based Fighter Squadron – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

Navy rejected NLCA over payload, fuel and single engine for carrier ops.
Unless Navy is ok operating it from shore based installations like A&N I don't see why they would bother

 

[Asmodeus]

I understand almost everyone in this forum defends HAL performance as "order more, get more", i.e. should there be NO big (enough) order, HAL can NOT invest, can NOT increase the production capacity nor the deliver pace.

I don't think people are defending HAL's performance. but using that as as a excuse to Import is questioned.
GoI waited 3 years for AMCA to be PPP SPV model so as to get away from HAL, but no private party is showing commitent, as for the reason I am not sure but one of them is 'Higher Risk Factor'(less number of order, stringent testing, flat out rejection, uncoperative PSU's) as I understand it. So then next best thing available is HAL, so make do with it until domestic industry is able to catch up with global tech.
Another point is Imports are very costly, and often divert funds from indigenous program, TEDBF is not yet sanctioned.. and we all know how much Kaveri needs funds.
Our economy is not there yet where we can have expensive options as backup if domestic product is not good enough. for us its either domestic product or fall behind in technology by importing. to which our bureaucrat seem to think ToT/MII is best of both worlds. Its ironic because that sucks up more funds further pushing behind domestic capability.

 

[Azaad]

Navy rejected NLCA over payload, fuel and single engine for carrier ops.
Unless Navy is ok operating it from shore based installations like A&N I don't see why they would bother

The IN will be going in for the N-LCA no question about that. The only issue is the quantity. They've declared their intentions to do so in public.

Indian Navy Considering Small N-LCA Order? - Livefist

The Indian Navy is kicking around the idea of ordering a small number of naval N-LCA fighter jets to operate as a dedicated training and technology development squadron for frontline naval aviators and future combat assets. The idea hasn't yet crystalized into a paper proposal, but internal...

www.livefistdefence.com

If I'm not mistaken there exists no such LIFT worldwide designed exclusively for usage on a carrier which is to say land & take off from a carrier as the N-LCA. Hence it makes sense for the IN.

I just hope they buy 40 nos of it not only for training but off shore CAP as well in the A&N island chain given our upcoming war with China. Takes a load of the regular IN FAs.

Apart from that it also makes a huge advertisement for its abilities for those nations like the US who're scouting for just such a trainer for their Naval jocks.

 

[shade2]

The IN will be going in for the N-LCA no question about that. The only issue is the quantity. They've declared their intentions to do so in public.

Indian Navy Considering Small N-LCA Order? - Livefist

The Indian Navy is kicking around the idea of ordering a small number of naval N-LCA fighter jets to operate as a dedicated training and technology development squadron for frontline naval aviators and future combat assets. The idea hasn't yet crystalized into a paper proposal, but internal...

www.livefistdefence.com

If I'm not mistaken there exists no such LIFT worldwide designed exclusively for usage on a carrier which is to say land & take off from a carrier as the N-LCA. Hence it makes sense for the IN.

I just hope they buy 40 nos of it not only for training but off shore CAP as well in the A&N island chain given our upcoming war with China. Takes a load of the regular IN FAs.

Apart from that it also makes a huge advertisement for its abilities for those nations like the US who're scouting for just such a trainer for their Naval jocks.

Never knew about this till now.
Good they realized it's utility as trainer for carrier ops, I was assuming even if they do buy it would be only for shore based installations in A&N

 

[TopWatcher]

Never knew about this till now.
Good they realized it's utility as trainer for carrier ops, I was assuming even if they do buy it would be only for shore based installations in A&N

But this is very old news, what the status now ?

 

[TopWatcher]

View: https://x.com/idrwalerts/status/1881554634319577313

 

[Spitfire IX]

The Indian Navy's plan to procure 12 LCA-Navy Trainer aircraft for deck-based pilot training is final then. They refer to"naval officer as sources"

Indian Navy’s LCA-Navy Trainer Procurement Delayed for Further Testing and Configuration – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

...plus this was on news repeatly.

ADA Chief Confirms Delay in Navy’s Acquisition of LCA-Navy Carrier-Based Fighter Squadron – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

Curious. Is it normal to need a deck based trainer> Why not just train pilots on land.? If they can hit arrestor wires on land, they can hit them on a carrier, can't they? With more difficulty, agreed.