LCA TEJAS MK-I & MK-IA: News and Discussion (12 Viewers)

If Uttam certification is delaying the radar mass production then HAL should go with Israeli radar and finish the production of initial MK1A orders. Additional 99 MK1A should be named Mk1B and delivered with Uttam radar. We can’t sit and afford any further delay’s pertaining to some testing issues of Uttam radar. There will be no significant difference between both batches.
 
If Uttam certification is delaying the radar mass production then HAL should go with Israeli radar and finish the production of initial MK1A orders. Additional 99 MK1A should be named Mk1B and delivered with Uttam radar. We can’t sit and afford any further delay’s pertaining to some testing issues of Uttam radar. There will be no significant difference between both batches.
Uttam is already certified sir. It's the indigenous EW suite which isn't certified because DRDO doesn't have a test platform. Why don't DRDO has a test platform? Because HAL used all those category B engine for test platforms on production variants on pressure from IAF. Israelis already had test platform because they are original planned Radar-EW suite vendor of HAL. Now everyone is pointing fingers at each other like that Spiderman meme.
 
I will be very blunt and forthcoming that we Indians lack professionalism .
There is no silver bullet , public private and hybrid sectors are all occupied by lazy guys who prefer shortcuts than following due process.
We focus too much on jugaad rather than hard and due process.
There is a reason why no notable invention happen in India.
We need to change , it's not a defence problem it's a society problem and we need to accept it and reform it .
Until now in defence imports were face savers but that option is also fast fading away owing to cost.
 
I will be very blunt and forthcoming that we Indians lack professionalism .
There is no silver bullet , public private and hybrid sectors are all occupied by lazy guys who prefer shortcuts than following due process.
We focus too much on jugaad rather than hard and due process.
There is a reason why no notable invention happen in India.
We need to change , it's not a defence problem it's a society problem and we need to accept it and reform it .
Until now in defence imports were face savers but that option is also fast fading away owing to cost.
We have developed a scarcity mindset thanks to our historical circumstances. Jugaad are done by people who have very little option in their hand. Back then it made sense for us to be jugaadu because we didn't had much options, post-colonization we were poor, illiterate, impoverished, natural disasters like flood and droughts were common, etc. So it was natural to develop that mindset. That scarcity mindset where you make some jugaad to live your life. But today we are much more capable, we aren't that poor, hungry and weak India of 80s. Yet that mindset hasn't gone because most of the people who lead these organisations private, public, etc. are people from that generation. Their mentality is shaped by that period of scarcity. Unfortunately this mindset is there among the two main pillar of personal development of an individual, Parents, Teachers and Education system. They preach it because that is what lead to their surivival in that difficult period of time. They used to break rules, make unprofessional decision, etc. Corruption was rampant back then, even getting a peon job required you to pay a large some of bribe. Both in public and private sector. Professionalism was less respected than connection and money way more than today. And behind this was the bad decisions of government of those days. Now because of this the new guys also start following this scarcity mindset naturally without questioning. This bimari is not uncommon in other post colonial state either. Other state like South Africa, Philippines, Indonesia, etc. also have this bimari in varying degree.
 
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i think the few cat b engines we had, hal has expended it to test the new 5-6 mk1a which were flying for tests. still we havent integrated our mainstay astra. hal and sbi will always be the posterboys of what we mean by sarkari work culture
 
To be honest, I would have been surprised if every thing went as initially promised. They had new components coming in, fuselage & sub-assemblies coming from vendors for the first time. It requires strong processes & integration with suppliers & Tier - 1, 2 vendors. Start of production is a nightmare, hope once the lines start there's smooth sailing.
 
Uttam is already certified sir. It's the indigenous EW suite which isn't certified because DRDO doesn't have a test platform. Why don't DRDO has a test platform? Because HAL used all those category B engine for test platforms on production variants on pressure from IAF. Israelis already had test platform because they are original planned Radar-EW suite vendor of HAL. Now everyone is pointing fingers at each other like that Spiderman meme.
So from when did HAL used category B engines for MK1A? All these years were DRDO sleeping without securing a test bed? Since HAL used all the category B engines DRDO woke up needed that engine for test bed for EW suite? HAL using the category B engines in recent phenomena and DRDO dragged their foot to certify in time to make it for 41st Tejas MK1A.
 
So from when did HAL used category B engines for MK1A? All these years were DRDO sleeping without securing a test bed? Since HAL used all the category B engines DRDO woke up needed that engine for test bed for EW suite? HAL using the category B engines in recent phenomena and DRDO dragged their foot to certify in time to make it for 41st Tejas MK1A.
Obviously airframes would first be allocated to the Elta Radar+EW Suite for testing and certification since it would be needed first, obviously airframes for testing and certification were meant to be allocated for the Uttam+DRDO EW Suite later, but for some reason were delayed. It’s also well known at this point that the Elta 2052 Radar & EW Suite also took longer than expected. Poor coordination and communication IMO is probably one of the reasons, as well as other factors.
 
What's the status of the MK1A jets ... has even one of them been handed over to the IAF so far ?
nope, still not delivered. mk1a is in production in the 3 lines rn. status is that blacklisted danish part has been replaced, only 1 engine is there. weapons integrations and trials happening, astra mk1 trial next month.
 
What's the status of the MK1A jets ... has even one of them been handed over to the IAF so far ?
No.
Iaf has high standards they want fully capable jet, integrated with missiles and weapons from start, tejasmk1a still hasn't fired astra missile.
And hal had delays in other things beside engines, like integrating uttam and ew suite, firing and integration of astra, delay in other subsystems too.


Unlike americans with their low standard who took delivery of first batch of f35's when they were not even combat capable, and then slowly as they continued taking delivery, f35's were becoming IOC certified, and weapons and other integration continued while delivery of f35's was happening at the same time.




basically, IAF, HAL, DRDO, Indian gov. All have combined faults here.
 
No.
Iaf has high standards they want fully capable jet, integrated with missiles and weapons from start, tejasmk1a still hasn't fired astra missile.
And hal had delays in other things beside engines, like integrating uttam and ew suite, firing and integration of astra, delay in other subsystems too.


Unlike americans with their low standard who took delivery of first batch of f35's when they were not even combat capable, and then slowly as they continued taking delivery, f35's were becoming IOC certified, and weapons and other integration continued while delivery of f35's was happening at the same time.




basically, IAF, HAL, DRDO, Indian gov. All have combined faults here.

Americans taking delivery of F35s before the jets were combat capable has more to do with training pilots with the new aircraft. Our IAF morons need to learn to tone down their expectations. These are the same morons who keep saying "We will fight with what we have" when asked about declining squadron strength. And when aircrafts are made to be delivered they have second thoughts suddenly about the technology? Do these freaking idiots want more Pilots to lose lives flying MiG-21s and Jaguars? Even the IOC certified Tejas is more safer than MiG-21 and Jaguar.
 
No.
Iaf has high standards they want fully capable jet, integrated with missiles and weapons from start, tejasmk1a still hasn't fired astra missile.
And hal had delays in other things beside engines, like integrating uttam and ew suite, firing and integration of astra, delay in other subsystems too.


Unlike americans with their low standard who took delivery of first batch of f35's when they were not even combat capable, and then slowly as they continued taking delivery, f35's were becoming IOC certified, and weapons and other integration continued while delivery of f35's was happening at the same time.




basically, IAF, HAL, DRDO, Indian gov. All have combined faults here.

Low standards guys are flying new airframes.

High standards guys lose their pilots to crashes on beyond retirement airframes and their bosses make complaints infront of the media about lazy vendor HAL doing delays.

Let's hope deal for some more rafales is signed quickly, even 2 squadrons worth plus 5-6 planes for attrition reserve will do.

Atleast we should get those on time + there won't be nakhra about a missile, say Meteor not being integrated because it's a foreign vendor :truestory:
 
Americans taking delivery of F35s before the jets were combat capable has more to do with training pilots with the new aircraft. Our IAF morons need to learn to tone down their expectations. These are the same morons who keep saying "We will fight with what we have" when asked about declining squadron strength. And when aircrafts are made to be delivered they have second thoughts suddenly about the technology? Do these freaking idiots want more Pilots to lose lives flying MiG-21s and Jaguars? Even the IOC certified Tejas is more safer than MiG-21 and Jaguar.
No more imported jets ever and the expectation of the IAF will reduce . They keep having these unrealistic expectations because they hope for imported jets.

It would be a huge disappointment if multiple MK1A are not flying with the IAF by the end of this year .
 

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