MMRCA 2.0: News & Discussions

[Cheepek]

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Lolipop for Trumpwa, i guess

 

[Gessler]

These tenders are nothing but time-pass. Have long said we can't afford 114 foreign 4.5 gens. Best we can do is buy 36 more off the shelf, then press full send on Tejas Mk2.

The problem now is, we waited too long to order the follow-on 36 off the shelf. Now unless we go with full 100+ jet order we aren't gonna get the local production line which means we've no option but depend on the line in France which is fully booked out.


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I've long maintained that we just don't have the kind of CAPEX needed for 114 jet order and aren't gonna have it till next few years at the least thanks to impending large expenditures on Tejas Mk1A follow-on order (97) and Rafale-M for Navy (26). But by the time we do have the CAPEX in hand, we'll be in the run-up to 2029 elections and no deal with foreign OEM on this scale will be possible due to fear of corruption allegations. But by 2030 the time for ordering large numbers of Tejas Mk2 and funding AMCA Mk1 production will come up. Back to square one.

The only way to get more squadrons in hand in the meantime was through off the shelf batch orders but we didn't go through with them in time. It's been over 8 years since first Rafale deal but we kept waiting.

Now I'm wondering what this timeline means for Navy's intended deal.

 

[BON PLAN]

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Not true.
Rafale line is on a ramp to deliver 33 birds a year. It is not without challenge because all the aero supply chain is stressed (mainly bu Airbus), but it's on track.
And there is a plan to go further if needed (probably if a line is pen in India for indian needs)

 

[BON PLAN]

I've long maintained that we just don't have the kind of CAPEX needed for 114 jet order

All depend if you want it 10 / year or 20 / year or....

 

[londonparistokyo]

Rafale is a paper tiger. Halve the budget for MMRCA. Take half of the half and put it entirely into Kaveri, fund that thing until there's an engine. Take the remaining half and fund LCA entirely. Make it 100% indigenous, nothing foreign. Then buy the Russian jet. We already have a lot of Russian jets. Will make it easier for supply chain purposes and Russians may be more willing to set up local supply chain and whatnot.

 

[Spitfire IX]

best Bull Shit of of month.
You really are an ace.....

First piece of BS of the month:

As things were left 10 years ago, Dassault and India could not agree terms to build Rafale on an Indian assembly line. It is pointless selecting Rafale to be built in India if India and Dassault cannot agree how that should be done. Terms need to be agreed before Rafale is considered for selection-not afterwards. As things are, selecting Rafale cannot be expected to result in a contract along Make-in-India lines.

Second piece of BS of the month:

Dassault did not honour its offset agreements with the deal for 36 Rafale. That does not demonstrate a willing to co-operate in deals eg ToT.

I am not saying that Rafale as an aircraft would not be the best selection. I am saying that negotiating a deal is unlikely to reach a successful outcome. It would be more sensible to scrap MRFA and wait for Tejas Mk2. In the meantime, India buy some Armee del'Air Rafales (if available) and M2K, Mig-29, Jaguar frames. Otherwise arrange a Eurofighter Make-in-India deal if terms can be agreed as I outlined above - clear the terms of production, hurdle for any MRFA candidate before anything else.

 

[Fatalis]

Who knows, may be Koreans bring their KF-21 to the competition.