Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[ArjunMK1A]

I am not arguing with you , considering you think buying F-35 for India is a matter of ego

You think that buying an F-35 for a non US treaty ally like India will be done in 2 years, like it is buying vegetables from a thelewala
Even ignoring the US side, you are bitching about our babooze and yet you think 2 years...

and then expecting them to deliver 5 Squadrons that is like ~100 F-35s in 2030 without even googling to see what LM's backlog is for current F-35 orders, and ofc their treaty allies ordering more F-35s each year will be added to this backlog.

There are 408 planes in backlog per this site

Lockheed Looks to Deliver Up to 190 F-35s in 2025

Lockheed Martin expects to deliver 170-190 F-35s in 2025 and took almost $2 billion in charges on secret projects in 2024's fourth quarter.

www.airandspaceforces.com

btw since you are crying about PSU chai-biskoot munchers taking forever to deliver things, here is Pentagon partially witholding payments to LM for taking forever to roll out some upgrade

Pentagon reduces withholding on F-35 payments, citing Lockheed’s progress on TR-3 development

Although the much-delayed Technical Refresh 3 update to the F-35 stealth fighter remains a work in progress, manufacturer Lockheed Martin has made sufficient advances that the Pentagon is now only withholding $3.8 million per aircraft, down from $5 million previously.

www.flightglobal.com

Continue shitting yourself over 10 foot Chinaman, F-35 nahi aayega, yanks aren't even selling it to us in the first place, and if you say >muh Doland, he also said that "Packistanis are incredible people with incredible products"

People blaming Hal for delays. But the same Hal delivers ALH on time for years. Initial hiccups will be overcome and delivery will be on time moving forward.

Meanwhile MOD Babus were sitting on file doing nothing. UCAF ghatak is not get any fund.

 

[LastMythin]

Wow here comes the dalal word when we ask some rational questions desi toy boyz will simply call us as US dalal or Russian Vodka simps or Juice pimps , But then Quota baboons will deliver nothing on time and won't even do anything great on scaling up .

Yes saar my dhoti was shivering since 2014 for ching chong submarines to porkis getting delivered and now they got 2 another 6 also will come . Just go to anyone in MDL and ask them how long it took for them with their superior french support to launch the first scorpene and also go and ask your baboons in CSL how long it took to commission IAC1 ..

It is the intention china has the capacity to produce its just that they haven't give it to porkis but if they want they can do it and you don't have any capacity to counter that domestically .

Take time and let me know by 2030 what all the inductions in IAF and IN we will be seeing and also the net inventory we will have to use in 2030.

Giving 2030 because another 5 years gap before next conflict between both nations .

Yes saar! The chongs are going to produce a gorillion rust dumplings and porkis are going to use to conquer mumbai!!!!!
They have neither the capacity or the intention to build anything but the bare minimum for the porkis.
The chongs don't follow the soviet dharamshala approach to defence spending.
Also the imf loan was basically a american one. Dolundji almost certainly asked tge porkis to make some concessions at cost to xina. Daddyxi is going to ask ass'im some tough questions before any real assistance comes.

 

[Nishaanbaaz]

View: https://x.com/TimesAlgebraIND/status/1923729977070981391

Yeh sab konsa naya type ka politics hai

I don't like him one bit and always warn people not to fall for the Jekyll & Hyde routine he and his brother do; but to his credit he has at least made the right noises/kept up the right external appearance during this whole thing. Credit to him for that. People should still be very wary of getting any fuzzy feelings for him though - and I still believe the AIMIM predecessor and anyone even distantly affiliated to it or the Nizam should have been completely wiped out with its members after Hyderabad was liberated by Patel (by going behind Nehru's back).

 

[Kapil]

Rolls Royce hot section core is GE owned technology.

Sir, are you sure about this?
I am hearing about this for the first time and if this is true, we are back to Safran. Can you double check and post some reference?

Why was RR allowed to participate in the first place then

 

[crazywithmath]

Factually wrong on both counts.

Modi inherited a fatigued economy - one which survived the greatest recession I can remember.
But it was still growing at robust pace.
See chart attached.
View attachment 36336

Pre 2014 lolbert global economic boom cannot be repeated again. It was a period when even the pakroaches were experiencing decent growth. All things concerned, Modi did NOT inherit a 'robust economy'.

He did harakiri by doing demonetisation which had a -ve effect on GDP growth rate( chart dips after 2016)

This is pure unadulterated BS - a cope that congressis started with but have gone mainsteam since it seems. Demo had negligible impact on Indian economy and became practically irrelevant after 2 quarters - Gita Gopinath even did a paper on this.

and then a messed up GST rollout which further aggravated the MSME sector.

Lol, what? GST is not without its own issues but it was and still is a notable improvement over the VAT BS we had before.

But for COVID, Nirmala tayi had no place to hide. Now she can say act of God sank the economy in 2020. See the curve above, it was already sinking.

The economy was slowing down before the Wuhan virus saga cuz of a banking sector blowup (UPA legacy). You can argue that the incumbent could have handled the situation with more finesse but again, it is nonsensical to blame it on Tai - she was barely into the office and did a commendable job cleaning up the mess and I say despite being an ardent critic of Tai myself.

So no, I am not giving him a walkover with sweeping generalizations like he inherited bad economy. He inherited a robust economy which was emerging from the recession and he created the economy which he inherited in the 2nd term.

Again, copium. Economic policies are not instant noodles, they work with time lags. UPA had a robust economy because,

1. It was the peak of lolbert globalization era when practically everyone was enjoying fast economic growth.

2. The previous PMs were reformists.

They left with a mess of an economy and a legacy of policy paralysis. It showed up perfectly in the subsequent years.

If anything, the robust economic growth in the post Wuhan virus era is the result of all the cleanup and reforms Ji undertook with great political risks in his first term.

 

[Captscooby]

Point is not buying 100 jets but the sustainability and logistics itself.
Frenchies were never going to give us any meaningful TOT.
Until now we only managed the logistics for su30mki, until we have local engine production for lca it is also unsustainable

Ya same stupid baboon thinking sir we will buy 100 Jets saar you give us all the technology sir , How much tech was transferred for buying 250 Su-30MKI ? some audacity to ask for TOT when placing 100 jet order ,

UAE signed 80 Jet Rafale deal and they didn't cry about giving TOT or hand holding their local industries , But here with typical desi dhando dimaag and baboon supermacy we think we should get all the Tech including Jet engines just for placing 108 aircraft order

So you are asking for engine tech for discussing to buy 28 more aircrafts than UAE

This entire TOT aka Offset clause was greasing the political and baboon dalals hand scheme , having few favourite partners and get them some offset production and get money from them .

Engine tech is not something your quota baboons will crack in next 50 years , if Chink chongs are not able to crack engines to western standards your chai biskoot samosa baboons are no way going to crack it

 

[LastMythin]

Ya same stupid baboon thinking sir we will buy 100 Jets saar you give us all the technology sir , How much tech was transferred for buying 250 Su-30MKI ? some audacity to ask for TOT when placing 100 jet order ,

UAE signed 80 Jet Rafale deal and they didn't cry about giving TOT or hand holding their local industries , But here with typical desi dhando dimaag and baboon supermacy we think we should get all the Tech including Jet engines just for placing 108 aircraft order

So you are asking for engine tech for discussing to buy 28 more aircrafts than UAE

This entire TOT aka Offset clause was greasing the political and baboon dalals hand scheme , having few favourite partners and get them some offset production and get money from them .

Engine tech is not something your quota baboons will crack in next 50 years , if Chink chongs are not able to crack engines to western standards your chai biskoot samosa baboons are no way going to crack it

The chongs have surpassed the ruzzians btw. The rest of the west is just running of America's fumes. You are engaging in pointless nig-noggery

 

[Captscooby]

I am not arguing with you , considering you think buying F-35 for India is a matter of ego

You think that buying an F-35 for a non US treaty ally like India will be done in 2 years, like it is buying vegetables from a thelewala
Even ignoring the US side, you are bitching about our babooze and yet you think 2 years...

and then expecting them to deliver 5 Squadrons that is like ~100 F-35s in 2030 without even googling to see what LM's backlog is for current F-35 orders, and ofc their treaty allies ordering more F-35s each year will be added to this backlog.

There are 408 planes in backlog per this site

Lockheed Looks to Deliver Up to 190 F-35s in 2025

Lockheed Martin expects to deliver 170-190 F-35s in 2025 and took almost $2 billion in charges on secret projects in 2024's fourth quarter.

www.airandspaceforces.com

btw since you are crying about PSU chai-biskoot munchers taking forever to deliver things, here is Pentagon partially witholding payments to LM for taking forever to roll out some upgrade

Pentagon reduces withholding on F-35 payments, citing Lockheed’s progress on TR-3 development

Although the much-delayed Technical Refresh 3 update to the F-35 stealth fighter remains a work in progress, manufacturer Lockheed Martin has made sufficient advances that the Pentagon is now only withholding $3.8 million per aircraft, down from $5 million previously.

www.flightglobal.com

Continue shitting yourself over 10 foot Chinaman, F-35 nahi aayega, yanks aren't even selling it to us in the first place, and if you say >muh Doland, he also said that "Packistanis are incredible people with incredible products"

Look at the joke you just posted a top of the line 5th Gen SE aircraft churning 190 aircraft's in 2025 with a backlog of 400 ..do the math how many years it will take for them to clear the back log along with taking new order

compared to who ? someone who is not able to deliver 12 aircrafts in 2025 just because they forgot to place order for GE engines on time

Not sure how for your LM dalal's are bad but GE dalal's are good ...

No body is simping here for F-35 , buy it not baboons can decide but make sure you have counter to take on those J-20s don't go with super over confidence like Rafale Spectra can take down anything and take a missile on its ass and coming back ..may be with inbred porkis it can work , Not going to work with your uncle ping air force

in the mean time ask your dhondu emperor to place follow on order for 36 rafales , because you had already paid through your ass for those in the first deal in so called ISE(Indian specific Enhancements) customised for your requirements

 

[jaijaganath]

View: https://x.com/officialTatya_1/status/1923620339440869749

For those discussing squadron strength
Go through the series of tweets

 

[rock127]

View: https://x.com/TimesAlgebraIND/status/1923729977070981391

Yeh sab konsa naya type ka politics hai

Here is the full list of MP's going. I wonder if we can rely on Anti-MODI/India/Hindu and Al-Takia moles like Owaisi.

Shashi Tharoor to lead Op Sindoor delegation to US, Supriya Sule to Qatar

Opposition leaders Shashi Tharoor, Kanimozhi, Sanjay Jha and Supriya Sule and ruling alliance members Ravi Shankar Prasad, Baijayant 'Jay' Panda and Shrikant Shinde will lead delegation for diplomatic outreach on Operation Sindoor.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[rock127]

Meanwhile our eastern border is warming up with Indian forces military practice and ban on Kanglus.

These Kanglus were jumping in joy as they claimed their GDP per capita went ahead of India and they became Shupa Powa. All went in drain with Mad Mulla Younis installed by US deep state. Now they will know their real aukaat.

India has saved the life of Hasina. India should help Hasina getting back in power and do some real trade ie. widening of Siliguri corridor. With Hasina India peacefully resolved some territorial disputes before. No need for military action as the WHITE CUCK WEST has become ANTI-HINDU even after getting their daughters raiped by Pakis.

 

[Muzh]

Factually wrong on both counts.

Modi inherited a fatigued economy - one which survived the greatest recession I can remember.
But it was still growing at robust pace.
See chart attached.
View attachment 36336
He did harakiri by doing demonetisation which had a -ve effect on GDP growth rate( chart dips after 2016) and then a messed up GST rollout which further aggravated the MSME sector.

But for COVID, Nirmala tayi had no place to hide. Now she can say act of God sank the economy in 2020. See the curve above, it was already sinking.

So no, I am not giving him a walkover with sweeping generalizations like he inherited bad economy. He inherited a robust economy which was emerging from the recession and he created the economy which he inherited in the 2nd term.


i don't want to go into why 36 Rafales etc, but this is exactly the same mistake which was done by George Fernandez in converting a simple Mirage2000 buy into a MMRCA circus.

If Pakistan can say they will eat grass but fight India, why can't our Govt. take stern measures and do the same. What is the need of feeding 80 crore people grains with his photo on the packet when our AF is short on fighter jets to protect the country, and foot soldiers don't have BPJs and helmets?

UPA administration was unable to purchase Rafale citing lack of money reason. Modi solved the lack of money problem by immediately implementing demonetization; this is how Rafale purchase was financed initially. Demonetization was good except for those who were engaged in money laundering and other illegal financial activities.

 

[Muzh]

Every US jet will come with stipulations on how it can be used. It would be worse than burning the money. The US has clearly shown it's not reliable. They will use maintenance and parts as leverage for strategic control.

We only have one viable option that is Su57, no matter it's flaws.

If Russia agrees to ToT, and can expedite, then indigenous manufacturing of Su57 would be the best interim solution until our LCA, AMCA, ORCA, etc are ready.

If Su57 production cannot be expedited then we need to stockpile Pakistan specific SRBMs and China specific IRBMs. Air war with China is going to be very different than air war with Pakistan; our aircrafts will need to enter Chinese airspace and travel long distances before offloading AAMs and ASMs. This will increase the attrition rate.

This is why we need to find an immediate solution to this problem.

 

[Muzh]

View attachment 36347

I do not want to see that traitor's face. We have seen enough.

 

[Kapil]

Pre 2014 lolbert global economic boom cannot be repeated again. It was a period when even the pakroaches were enjoying decent growth. All things concerned, Modi did NOT inherit a 'robust economy'.




This is pure unadulterated BS - a cope that congressis started with but have gone mainsteam since it seems. Demo had negligible impact on Indian economy and became practically irrelevant after 2 quarters - Gita Gopinath even did a paper on this.



Lol, what? GST is not without its own issues but it was and still is a notable improvement over the VAT BS we had before.




The economy was slowing down before the Wuhan virus saga cuz of a banking sector blowup (UPA legacy). You can argue that the incumbent could have handled the situation with more finesse but again, it is nonsensical to blame it on Tai - she was barely into the office and did a commendable job cleaning up the mess and I say this as an ardent critic of Tai.


Again, copium. Economic policies are not instant noodles, they work with time lags. If anything, the robust economic growth in the post Wuhan virus era is the result of all the cleanup and reforms Ji undertook with great political risks in his first term.

Why showing Govt published figures are suddenly 'congressi'?

Dude, My first vote was for ABV and he became PM of India that year. That's how old a BJP supporter I am. But I am also not blind. Will give credit when due.
Now sine you have used strong words like BS etc:

1. You mention that pre-2014 economic boom cannot be repeated. How and why?

2. In the same breadth, you mentioned that Modiji did not inherit good economy. This directly contradicts your own statement that economy was booming before 2014.

3. Do you have a counter point here on why GDP growth rate sank post 2016? Why was it still dipping before COVID hit us? Just to quote the exact number, Indian economy grew at 3.87% in 2019.

4. Exactly which reforms which reduced the growth rate by 2.5%? Do you know what 2.5% growth rate looks like on the base of a 2T economy?

5. Happy to know that you think GST was a reform. Who opposed "reforms" in 2009? Can you give me names of 2 chief ministers who did this?

6. Do you know Govt stopped publishing NSSO Jobs data in 2019? Do you also know that Govt also stopped its own Jobs surveys for 2016-17 to be published? If this was indeed a problem created by UPA2, Govt. should have published it and blamed on UPA2? Do you even know what this data is used for by researchers, economists and companies?

7. The robust economic growth post COVID was bouyed by excessive demand. That has tapered down now. So 2020 to 2023 was an aberration. Economy has come back to normal growth rate (~6.3%) now.
So what is contributing to this 6.3% growth rate(hint: look at the formula for GDP and see where the money is coming from)?

8. Also, exactly what reforms led to this "stellar" 6.3% growth? Let's take a focus area which is being talked about the most - Mfg. is lowest as a % of economy in 40-50 years. Big reason - industrialist are not doing Capex. Why? What do they know which you don't know?


All data points.

Now if you tell me GDP is not a number and like Bhutan we should be looking at GNH, I am perfectly fine.

 

[indrajit]

Seems like the Pakis did take a shot at the S-400 with a probable CM family missile. They missed with it falling short. We need QRSAM to protect the S-400.

A must watch.


View: https://youtu.be/W5FYzO0RaFY?si=--r0_sCB13mndO3Q

 

[LastMythin]

Why showing Govt published figures are suddenly 'congressi'?

Dude, My first vote was for ABV and he became PM of India that year. That's how old a BJP supporter I am. But I am also not blind. Will give credit when due.
Now sine you have used strong words like BS etc:

1. You mention that pre-2014 economic boom cannot be repeated. How and why?

2. In the same breadth, you mentioned that Modiji did not inherit good economy. This directly contradicts your own statement that economy was booming before 2014.

3. Do you have a counter point here on why GDP growth rate sank post 2016? Why was it still dipping before COVID hit us? Just to quote the exact number, Indian economy grew at 3.87% in 2019.

4. Exactly which reforms which reduced the growth rate by 2.5%? Do you know what 2.5% growth rate looks like on the base of a 2T economy?

5. Happy to know that you think GST was a reform. Who opposed "reforms" in 2009? Can you give me names of 2 chief ministers who did this?

6. Do you know Govt stopped publishing NSSO Jobs data in 2019? Do you also know that Govt also stopped its own Jobs surveys for 2016-17 to be published? If this was indeed a problem created by UPA2, Govt. should have published it and blamed on UPA2? Do you even know what this data is used for by researchers, economists and companies?

7. The robust economic growth post COVID was bouyed by excessive demand. That has tapered down now. So 2020 to 2023 was an aberration. Economy has come back to normal growth rate (~6.3%) now.
So what is contributing to this 6.3% growth rate(hint: look at the formula for GDP and see where the money is coming from)?

8. Also, exactly what reforms led to this "stellar" 6.3% growth? Let's take a focus area which is being talked about the most - Mfg. is lowest as a % of economy in 40-50 years. Big reason - industrialist are not doing Capex. Why? What do they know which you don't know?


All data points.

Now if you tell me GDP is not a number and like Bhutan we should be looking at GNH, I am perfectly fine.

If you need an explainer why the post housing crisis economic boom is going to be hard to replicate you need to stop commenting on economic matters.
Also the whole "I was actually a gorillion year old bjp phull sapporter saar! But now I am bhosadpilled!" stratergy is getting old don't you think? There is plenty of reason to criticize modi, I dont think you need to adopt this whole backstory to get your point across.
You are also divorcing a lot of information from required bureaucratic and global context required to make sense of the decisions.
I doubt you are going to be changing you mind about anything but the least you can do is keep the discussion on topic.

 

[Kapil]

If you need an explainer why the post housing crisis economic boom is going to be hard to replicate you need to stop commenting on economic matters.
Also the whole "I was actually a gorillion year old bjp phull sapporter saar! But now I am bhosadpilled!" stratergy is getting old don't you think? There is plenty of reason to criticize modi, I dont think you need to adopt this whole backstory to get your point across.
You are also divorcing a lot of information from required bureaucratic and global context required to make sense of the decisions.
I doubt you are going to be changing you mind about anything but the least you can do is keep the discussion on topic.

Please educate me how exactly the housing boom in US contributed to growth in India and how it cannot be replicated now.
We can take this discussion to economy thread to prevent derailment.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Thank you for telling us kirana hills has got nuclear installations, We didn’t know about it, We didn’t hit kirana Hills, whatever is there : Air Marshal AK Bharti

View: https://youtu.be/xT9omJP2bp8?si=Txh82NhdiAd6yzJY

 

[vampyrbladez]

ATGM hit on Pakistani bunker near Rajasthan.


View: https://x.com/GenZKaoboy/status/1923779315386237036