Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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Drwho said:
Bhai wannar,

Russia is in a war and they have no money. The money they have is for people to survive and for ukrain war.

Also the development was not going because of nozzle and al51 . Now both of them are coming up nice.

Which fifth gen fighter is war proven ? Only su57 and f35 have been used a few time. And f35 facing lots of problem with maintenance.

So people who giving this argument of : not war proven are them selves blinded.
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All of the above is a con, not a pro of buying SU57s en-masse.
I'm a bit confused on how exactly SU57s fulfill India's needs according to you here. It's not just about it being not "war proven". Its about zero support in terms of spares and untested design.

IAF has already rejected SU57. I don't see any reason to differ from their opinion (or use).

I honestly fail to understand this obsession with fifth gen planes.

Maybe you know better so you could tell me-
What exactly is the mission profile these fifth gen fighters are supposed to fill that they're so crucial that India should scramble for untested designs with no full aspect stealth or a solid supply chain?

Drwho said:
Also they don’t get western hardware because they are fighting against them.

As a Jv we will not have same level of problems.

Ab tum agar kuch paisa doge apne plot bech ke toh wo bhi le lenge russi toh. Bech de bhai desh ke naam pe.

Aur ab jab ye su57 m bahu sa banke aa jayega toh tum sabse pehle profile pic lagao ge.
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Bhai, tu bechayn hai, tu hi bech plot etc. Main toh nahi keh raha ye kharidne ko aur na main ejaculate karta hun taiyaron pe.
Tu taiyar ho ja, tab sochunga. Tera DP bhi laga dunga idhar heart laga ke.

Cyclops said:
I think DRDO has a better idea today of what they require vis-a-vis 5th gen tech.

If the Russians are going to give us decent tech wrt certification and mass production like advanced additive manufacturing, help establish test facilities, etc then I don't care if we go ahead with the Su-57s.

I'm sure the DRDO and the government know what they want and what they have to extract out of the Russians.
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This is the only case it'd make sense to get those.

Honestly, if India could just manufacture it's own 4th gens, that'd be a way more solid long term strategy than getting a fifth gen jet from some nation which will either use it as a leash or go bankrupt suddenly when leaders swap (I strongly believe Russia will suffer terribly when Putin goes out of power).

I feel like the announcement of F47 has freaked a lot of people. I'm sure some people are of the mindset here that "America's already on 6th gen and we don't even have a few 5th gens".
Wait till China announces it's own sixth gen "Extra Dotted Vigorous Dragon" jet.

People need to understand. We're not getting left behind in the arms race because we aren't buying planes from other nations.
We are not IN the arms race here.

When Turkey was refused the F35, they immediately started working on KAAN and their drone industry to fill in the gap. Now, I dislike Turkey as much as everyone else here but the rise in their indigenous capability is undeniable.
This when their economic growth is slowing down.

Make do with the current situation. This is the best time.
India's not at war, WE KNOW it will be at war, start fixing things.

No other times leaves as little excuse and as much incentive as now.

This constant bandaging with a little french jets here, a little russian jets there and a little American parts here and British parts there has to end.
Stitch it up even if it's tender for a little but let it heal. Even if the stitch isn't perfect, at least the next one will be better.
 
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either in this thread or IAF thread, there was a discussion on efficacy of SU-30 MKI. my reading of a few posts that caught my attention gave the impression that those posts were implying that SU-30 came out of the box fully suited for IAF's requirements.

whether it is SU-30 which ultimately became SU-30 MKI or jaguar or T-90 or T-72 or rafale etc., just a reminder to our newer members that none of imported maal comes as perfect fit for Indian military requirements, it is always the case that respective forces add their own modifications and integrations to ensure foreign maal caters to Indian scenarios. sometimes modifications are relatively easy, sometimes a bit harder/costly depending on the technology, but be assured there will be a indigenous component associated with it .

since AD is talk of the town, within AD you have seen live demonstration of how integration happens in op-sindoor. and integration means time in years, resource and money over and above acquisition process.
 
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Numero said:
Russia is our friend Saar. 1971 Saar.
Friends till both are mutually accepted beneficiaries.
France, Japan & Israel are the only true friends of India. The rest are seasonal.
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France tried to stop india's missile development.
Japan sanctioned india after nuke tests
Israel used to spy against india and help china build nato tech weapons.

India is too big and strong to have friends we can have our puppets like china has pakistan,usa has israel.
 
Numero said:
Russia is our friend Saar. 1971 Saar.
Friends till both are mutually accepted beneficiaries.
France, Japan & Israel are the only true friends of India. The rest are seasonal.
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Even these are not 'friends', lmao.

But it is cringe pro max to see the resident Putin simp cucks on the Ukraine Russia war thread. I lose braincells every time I visit that thread.
 
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vampyrbladez said:
Super happy if this happens.

@BON PLAN we get the Rafales at a discount. Meanwhile a future threat is delayed by a
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username unkown said:
Nothing to surprise over here just ruski media sucking chindi propaganda as usua
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Guynxdor said:

View: https://x.com/idrwalerts/status/1925027438494417139?s=46&t=s5Zjz3wgeVF4a5zNfD4EYA
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Everyone watches out for their interest. There are no friends only interests. India has substantially reduced purchasing Russian weapons and is opting for western arms increasingly. That obviously means Russia needs to find other markets. Do not be surprised if Russians sell weapons to Pakis. At the end of the day the only way to exert major defense power is through a very large and advanced military industrial complex and gigantic domestic economy. But I think the RT news is FAKE. I don’t think they will be this obvious with their propaganda. Someone check if a lunatic porki or chinki bot is behind all this.
 
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Numero said:
Russia is our friend Saar. 1971 Saar.
Friends till both are mutually accepted beneficiaries.
France, Japan & Israel are the only true friends of India. The rest are seasonal.
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My friend there is no permanent allies in geopolitics. There are only business partners who can switch side based on their interests. All these countries who people think as friends are just there because of their own interests.
 
chnvipgz said:
France tried to stop india's missile development.
Japan sanctioned india after nuke tests
Israel used to spy against india and help china build nato tech weapons.

India is too big and strong to have friends we can have our puppets like china has pakistan,usa has israel.
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Back then the world was divided between blocks. Obviously they took America's side as they were natural allies & collectively against the Soviets.
The same way the Soviets compromised India's political system to be used against Americans.
In the current timeline imo Israel, France & Japan are least hostiles to the Indians. Israel is the consistent one.
Back then India had a Mullah run socialist political system. Israel had all rights to oppose it. Even the current day Indians would oppose it.
Sentiments can change with the authority of ruling, so is the support.
Israel heavily supported India during the Kargil war even by going against the American rule book. Later with weapons, technology & intelligence that immensely helped India.
That's a positive in by book. They can be American puppet but when it comes to supporting India, they're the most vocal ones. All they do is to pipe down Mullah lobby, Pakistan but that eventually benefited Indians & is still doing.
But yea, simps are bad. Some people take it to the point of cringe.
World order can change anytime.
 
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Is there any report that Tejas was used in aerial combat during Operation Sindoor? I haven't seen any except for one tweet (forgot who tweeted), but couldn't guess anything out of it. So, does IAF still consider it as an immature product for real combat, although it can fire even the Astra-I? Even the MiG-21 was out of the picture, while the media reports Rafale, Su-MKI, Mirage & Jaguar were being used.
 
ezsasa said:
either in this thread or IAF thread, there was a discussion on efficacy of SU-30 MKI. my reading of a few posts that caught my attention gave the impression that those posts were implying that SU-30 came out of the box fully suited for IAF's requirements.
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Only DRDO / HAL Nashik & IAF team know how Original the innards of SU30 are at the moment.. :)

There have been tons of modifications .. Few which ruskies too will be proud of IMO
 
On May 6th, I expressed my concerns. I place the blame on the GOI. Since that day, the GOI has neglected to engage with international media effectively. They failed to coordinate with the Indian lobby to shape a favorable media narrative. Instead, their focus remained solely on military action only, disregarding the critical aftermath.
We now know who our true friends and enemies are. India must stand alone in this fight, as no one, not even their media, will come to its support. Therefore, India must be strong and prepared to win the final war.

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ezsasa said:
either in this thread or IAF thread, there was a discussion on efficacy of SU-30 MKI. my reading of a few posts that caught my attention gave the impression that those posts were implying that SU-30 came out of the box fully suited for IAF's requirements.

whether it is SU-30 which ultimately became SU-30 MKI or jaguar or T-90 or T-72 or rafale etc., just a reminder to our newer members that none of imported maal comes as perfect fit for Indian military requirements, it is always the case that respective forces add their own modifications and integrations to ensure foreign maal caters to Indian scenarios. sometimes modifications are relatively easy, sometimes a bit harder/costly depending on the technology, but be assured there will be a indigenous component associated with it .

since AD is talk of the town, within AD you have seen live demonstration of how integration happens in op-sindoor. and integration means time in years, resource and money over and above acquisition process.
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Su -30 was heavily modified by IAF/ HAL / DRDO with Israeli and Western Avionics and other sensors.
Only Airframe is Russian. Even in that They have literally fleeced us.
There is a reason why we refused to go forward with the Su-57 and PAK - FA farce.
 
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