Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

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Porkies do the same cope " wE wON the AIR WAR , mm Alam zindabad , PAF paindabad "

A faujeet even claimed PAF is better than any NATO AF outside USAF

Like seriously dude ( RAF , Luftwaffe , French Air Force , even the Turkish Airforce be like )

Some reddit pakis were so delusional saying.

" Let IAF get F-35, we will be the first to shoot F-35 "

I mean LMAO , good don't upgrade at all , all is well PAF in the bag

Man those guys believe in launching satelite with mirage 2000, Ola's black jets and Jin flying their aircrafts, etc. They have access to some high level afgani afeem nothing can make them get out of that delusion..

 

[Captscooby]

Friends, I am not insinuating that a Rafale was shot down and I am in no way trying to favor the narrative of our enemy (The enemy we are dealing with specialises in spreading propaganda to downplay and hide it's losses) but we need to analyse the losses and kills on both sides of the conflict in a rational and unbiased manner.

Remember this "Sach kithna bhi kadwa ho, who anth mai sach hi rahega, jhoot nahi aur sachai ki duniya mai raho, nahi jhoot ke"

Let's not be like Pakistanis, let's not stoop to their degree of lies and deceit.

A ceasefire is not peace, however. The next crisis will come. This crisis will provide the foundation upon which that next crisis will unfold, and so it will be important to scrutinize its lessons and implications before hostilities again erupt. This crisis was confusing and surprising. That is why it is important to understand what actually happened with this crisis before the next India-Pakistan crisis comes.

 

[Captscooby]

View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1927967052049858573
One thing we need to be very clear, we don't want that muslim population of PoK, we are here for the land. I really hope kadi ninda is just bluffing here with all those love, unity nonsense.

You don't know man trust me the brain of 70 year old's are completely different in its thinking ..there is reason why people are given a retirement age at 58 in organisations , why are Army , Air and Navy chief asked to retire at 62 ..because after 40 your brain degenerate faster and at 60 it won't be same as what it was in 40 and absolutely not at all at 70 ..

These are not bluffing but more the delusional thinking the old guard still think .. don't believe look at the emperor quote one hand kamputer and one hand holy book ..

 

[asl001]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/operation-sindoor-was-a-failure-says-sanjay-raut-seeks-amit-shahs-resignation/3858971/&ved=2ahUKEwjA7KCHusmNAxXknq8BHZl4J-MQxfQBKAB6BAgHEAE&usg=AOvVaw1QBXCXnfFM1Uvi9xnLEPqq

Sanjay Raut needs a chappal massage.
Super big mouth pig.

 

[Captscooby]

No need to wait for 15 years. We are not talking about a country which can churn out Jet Engines or War ships at a rapid rate every year. We are talking about a country with no expertise to even build a 70CC engine for their motorbikes used by their regular people. The world does not wait for 20 years for you and then gives you a carte blanche to take revenge on all the terrorist attacks they conducted on our soil in the previous years.

I am not saying we should go for all out war. All we need is to accelerate the process of destruction of abomination called Pakistan through all means necessary. We should not be afraid to go for preemptive strikes. When we go for revenge it has to be massive. This time we were sure measured and accurate. But we need to pack more punch to send a message to their elite scum that we have the capability to turn their land into rubble. Our military is not for show, we have to use it when we have to.

If you appetite for war is so less than 4 days and agreeing for a ceasefire on 5th when your GDP per capita is not even $3000 then let me give it in writing here and you can take it as assurance then appetite for 2 day war also won't be possible when per capita GDP touches $10,000..

This is the Holy truth you accept it or don't want to accept it and live in a delusional belief that population will be comfortable to go for a large scale decisive war when they are having much better income to spend ..

We have lost once in a life time chance which was given to us . Thanks to the leadership ..

You won't get the same chance from enemy again .. you took the foot of the enemy neck when he was down on floor next time the enemy won't give you second chance to do the same thing .

 

[ThE BrOkEn HeArT]

 

[Captscooby]

Are we showing restraint now?
We are not.

That's just word salad for rest of the world.

Yes absolutely we are ..Tell me saar what is different today from 1971 or 1999 ?

Nothing changed .. We had bombed deep into pakistan in 1971 too like 2025 but it is the restraint which is fucking us

1999 again restraint don't cross the LOC and fight within caused lots of casualties ..2025 May 7th doing Air operations into Dense AD enemy territory without doing SEAD caused us 4 aircraft's ..when are we going to give a free hand to forces in real world instead of giving lip service and then send them into battles with hand tied and later cover up the shit

The bar was set by scamgress so low that today what ever the leader ji does is being projected as 100 % ..

The bar starts at 0 not at -10 , scamgress lowered the bar since 2004 to -10 that doesn't mean you deliver 5 out of 100 and claim victory like you achieved 100 ..

 

[Knowitall]

View: https://x.com/rishibagree/status/1899862622595670409?s=46

Bengal bros are cooked. As i said before operation sindoor while a highlight thanks to the current administration is barely a scratch.

The reason pakistan does not feel defeat be it any of the 4 wars is because for them this all part of a long crusade to eventually destroy Hindus the last survivors of the great islamic hordes that decimated the great byzantine Persian and Iberian empires.

That now unfortunately is rapidly changing. While we did lose a lot over the past few centuries the goal was still very clear and there was a distinction in the mindset of Hindus and Hindu kingdoms.

All this chutzpa from gandhi era means we have been compromised to the core from the inside.

The Rajputana kingdoms the maratha empire the Vijaynagar empire the hoysala empire before it and the great kingdoms of erstwhile era of the mauryas and guptas focused extensively on creating a seige mentality among hindus.

Massive forts dotted our land massive temples served as refuge for people. Now we have let this fester inside with full support and funds.

Kerala bengal assam will all be hindu minority states in the next 2 decades. This is ignoring the states in NE where hindus are already a minority.

And don’t get me started on UP bihar where hindus have fallen below 80% percent.

 

[Captscooby]

During the initial discussions on what our response would be, the decision we reached in this forum was that we will hit terrorists, openly, publicly and with proof.

But, we escalated it to hitting their bases with impunity over the next few days. That was beyond what we had initially thought our response would be.

I agree with how pressure from US played a part. That is expected part and parcel of the dynamics at play.
point though is, our base line response to any future terrorist attack is now firmly established. This was not the case pre 2014.

That is the paradigm shift.

you raised a valid point

We did day 1 hit their terror houses and claimed we did our job , then why did we on Day 2 initiated another round from our side ?

Because for hitting their terror houses pakis responded with attacking our military stations so we responded back because we took some hit .

Porkis did the same in Feb 27 2019 too they tried Swift retort and tried to target our military stations but were not successful and we lost fighter and pilot captured so we just de escalated and never responded back to porkis for trying to attack our military stations


What changed then in 2025 the initial one hand action plan and the losses forced our side seeking for a revenge which is why we sent those suicide drones to take down those AD and then unleashed the hell on Day 4th ..

Please clarify me how will our response be for a next possible terror attack will be based on our so called baseline established in 2025 ??

let say a terror attack happens in next 5 years and leader ji is pushed into corner again what will be the response ..send missiles and stand off weapons ..Pakis are now prepared for it day one with what ever tweaking they need to do to their AD .. So will you do SEAD on day one before sending your fighters or you will still say we only attacked terror houses not their military stations ??

you will still wait for Paki to respond to your initial attack and then revert back with your 2nd phase ..?


Lets talk post 2014

Pathankot happens and what was our response ,,inviting Porkis to join our probe

This gave confidence to pakis that we won't do anything apart from Dossier nonsense and they got little adventurous and did URI bigger casualties compared pathankot on our side and we were pushed in a corner to respond and surgical strikes happened ..

Again this given confidence for pakis to poke little more next time and got Pulwana bigger casualties than Uri so leader ji now had to raise the bar compared to SS and we had got Balakot But we let them escaping without punishing for Feb 27th adventure which resulted in Pahalgam in 2025

Now you punished the terror pads and you bombed their bases but still let them with breather now they have calculated our maximum threshold level they will take this into calculation before they poke again

If anyone here think we had caused enough deterrence in Pakis mind not to dare another adventure in attacking us then we are living in delusional ..

There will be another attack which means we have still not caused them enough pain to deter from attempting any adventure on us again ..

 

[Asmodeus]

Porkies do the same cope " wE wON the AIR WAR , mm Alam zindabad , PAF paindabad

" Let IAF get F-35, we will be the first to shoot F-35 "

I mean LMAO , good don't upgrade at all , all is well PAF in the bag

Honesty, I am happy that they spreading this and I hope they truly believe it. This type of thinking after 2019 skirmish is the reason we could easily roam around in Pak airspace in this OP.

 

[Captscooby]

I am sure this was already posted here if not then i would expect people to go through it , will just post two snippets from this which what keeps my mind curious

Four Days in May: The India-Pakistan Crisis of 2025 • Stimson Center

An early assessment of available evidence on what transpired in the recent India-Pakistan crisis and its implications

www.stimson.org

While India sought to convey that terrorism in Indian-administered Kashmir could yield retaliation anywhere inside Pakistan, it did seek to show restraint in other ways. An Indian spokesperson emphasised that the May 7 strikes only hit “terrorist infrastructure” and were “focused, measured, and non-escalatory in nature.” Pointedly, Pakistani military targets were not hit.

How Pakistan achieved this apparent counterair success is unclear for now. International observers assess IAF pilots as being highly skilled, and several of the downed aircraft are relatively modern – Rafale deliveries to India only started in 2020. Indian choices to focus exclusively on terrorist- and militancy-associated targets in the initial May 7 strikes may have contributed to any setbacks.A broader Indian campaign to suppress Pakistani air defenses might have caused military casualties and undercut India’s desire to avoid escalation and demonstrate restraint. Political logic and military logic may have worked at cross-purposes.


Given this hazy chronology, do we know why this near-war did not become a war? Even with considerable ambiguity on facts and motives, both sides carefully calibrated their escalation, even when their choices were sometimes viewed as surprising or unanticipated by the other side. When they reached for rungs on the ladder, they may have missed, but they did not inadvertently reach for a rung several above the one they anticipated.

 

[Captscooby]

@Sickle_Cut, Ek LCA, Why would I believe Tom Cooper over IAF when we have near 0 evidence of these supposed indian losses? How difficult is it to get ranks and names of pilots, you can get a dozen names and ranks if you just Google for news about exercises. FOR ANY COUNTRY. Not just India's.

IAF never said till now there is 0 loss ... they just haven;t confirmed it .. will wait and see how long they take to give any information officially ...

 

[Captscooby]

@Sickle_Cut He also said we have scored kills and they are STILL ascertaining the details and will release a report later.

Its been exactly 3 weeks 21 days since the so called crashes happened in Bathinda, Pampore and Ramban we are still not able to confirm what are those crashed ones ? drones , manned jets or just external fuel tanks ?

 

[Captscooby]

Btw a Mirage 3/5 is also guaranteed crash within Indian territory.

This is where the official clarification is must , DGAO clearly said there are not wreckage on our side but then we have clear image from this pic that some Mirage is crashed if its not our then it has to be theirs .. instead of letting everyone make conclusion towards their imagination ... The exact words DGAO used when a journalist asked what kind of damages on enemy side he simply said some Latest tech and "i will leave it to your imagination" this is the most disturbing words a person under uniform can use in a debriefing of an military operation

you either don't give a Press brief when you are not allowed to give all the information ..instead making it more speculating using sentences like i will leave it to your imagination

 

[Captscooby]

@Sickle_Cut The only explanation i find viable, that exnonerates both Tom Cooper and IAF, is the alleged use of drones by IAF to mimic signatuers of our fighter jets and those drones eating the first shots, thus creating the 'gap' in information where one side is adamant it shot down multiple jets, the other side is saying they didnt suffer any loss.

IMO, it is a credible theory, it may be the only other alternative to not do SEAD/DEAD initially as 'allegedly' PL15E can be guided by chinese HQ-9 ground radar and allowing the first shot is the info we need to locate the said DEAD opportunity that we took later. If true, it also allows IAF to test a ' novel' use of drones that to my knowledge, has not been used in combat before - as fighter jet mimics to draw enemy fire.

Either you have not seen those videos from bathinda on the night where a aircraft was on fire on ground with a RFP protruding out near the canopy ..That is not digital signature identification ..

there are videos available for you to go and check online

 

[Prasad]

Yes absolutely we are ..Tell me saar what is different today from 1971 or 1999 ?

Nothing changed .. We had bombed deep into pakistan in 1971 too like 2025 but it is the restraint which is fucking us

1999 again restraint don't cross the LOC and fight within caused lots of casualties ..2025 May 7th doing Air operations into Dense AD enemy territory without doing SEAD caused us 4 aircraft's ..when are we going to give a free hand to forces in real world instead of giving lip service and then send them into battles with hand tied and later cover up the shit

The bar was set by scamgress so low that today what ever the leader ji does is being projected as 100 % ..

The bar starts at 0 not at -10 , scamgress lowered the bar since 2004 to -10 that doesn't mean you deliver 5 out of 100 and claim victory like you achieved 100 ..

and what did we do from 1971 to 2014?

That's a 43 year period with hundreds of terrorist attacks on India, some very heinous.
What did we do?

 

[Captscooby]

IMO, it is a credible theory, it may be the only other alternative to not do SEAD/DEAD initially as 'allegedly' PL15E can be guided by chinese HQ-9 ground radar and allowing the first shot is the info we need to locate the said DEAD opportunity that we took later. If true, it also allows IAF to test a ' novel' use of drones that to my knowledge, has not been used in combat before - as fighter jet mimics to draw enemy fire.

No we came to know that HQ-9 battery is in Lahore after it shot down our what ever jet and got exposed and we sent the Harpys next day to take it down first .. It was Intel failure this battery was not at all taken into calculation on May 7th ..

 

[LETHALFORCE]

View: https://x.com/KillerCool13/status/1927774255581745465

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Dual Fault Lines in China’s Military: Weapons Fail, Generals Jailed

Dual Fault Lines in China’s Military: Weapons Fail, Generals Jailed

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Dual Fault Lines in China’s Military: Weapons Fail, Generals Jailed​

China’s military falters as its weapon systems fail in Pakistan and top generals get purged, exposing cracks in Beijing’s ambitions for global power.

Image Source: Getty​

On 9 March 2022, a BrahMos missile —launched accidentally due to a technical malfunction near Ambala—crashed in Mian Channu, Khanewal district, Pakistan. Though the missile was unarmed, the incident exposed a far critical vulnerability: the conspicuous failure of Chinese-supplied air defence systems deployed in Pakistan. Despite Pakistan’s claims that its radar tracked the missile from launch to impact, it did not attempt to intercept it. This inaction raised early doubts about the efficacy of China’s HQ-9 and HQ-16 Surface-to-Air Missile (SAM) systems, which have now been confirmed. During the recently concluded ‘Operation Sindoor’, Chinese air defence platforms failed to protect military installations in Pakistan. Multiple airbases were severely damaged, rendered non-operational, and the systems failed to work as advertised.

As weapons falter and commanders fall, the PLA is becoming increasingly brittle, turning into an unreliable instrument of coercion for the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leadership that has staked much on its military prowess.

The implications of these failures reach far beyond Pakistan. Inside China, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is confronting its own crisis of confidence. Senior officers are being purged and arrested at an unprecedented pace. The Chinese General He Hongjun is the latest addition, whose death has only added to China’s growing list of vanishing top brass. As weapons falter and commanders fall, the PLA is becoming increasingly brittle, turning into an unreliable instrument of coercion for the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) leadership that has staked much on its military prowess. The narrative of precision and control is cracking, and with it, the credibility of China’s military ambitions.

Chinese Weapon Systems Transfer to Pakistan​

China has emerged as Pakistan’s largest arms supplier, accounting for nearly 81 percent of Islamabad’s inventory—a staggering volume and variety on every count. Since 2000, China has transferred a broad list of advanced weaponry to Pakistan's air and ground forces, as enumerated in Table 1. Nearly all of these systems played an important role in Islamabad’s clashes with New Delhi in May 2025.

Source: SIPRI Arms Transfer Database
These major weapon systems in Pakistan’s arsenal reflect a deepening strategic partnership with China. In 2019, Islamabad deployed the JY-27A 3D Counter-Very-Low Observable (CVLO) radar at Mianwali Airbase. This long-range air surveillance and guidance radar works in the Very High Frequency (VHF) band to track even stealth aircraft at a range of 500 km. China claims the radar is jamming-resistant and could guide surface-to-air missiles to strike incoming aircraft, making it a core element of Pakistan’s integrated air defence. Pakistan had also procured several air search radars, covering long to short ranges, including YLC 2, YLC 6, and YLC 18 gap filler radars. They were strategically placed across critical military installations to ensure persistent airspace surveillance.
In addition to radars, Pakistan acquired multiple SAM systems from China to create a layered air defence system, as listed in Table 1. The HQ-9 long-range and HQ-16 medium-range SAM systems received significant media attention during the May 2025 clashes. However, Pakistan’s short-range air defence network is equally dense. It includes multiple HQ-7 SHORAD systems, FM-90 launchers, and the latest FN-6 man-portable air defence systems (MANPADS).

When Islamabad needed these weapon systems the most, its Chinese-supplied radars, air defence systems, and drones failed to deliver.

Beijing also possesses a substantial stake/presence in Pakistan’s drone inventory, which includes smaller and Medium-Altitude Long-Endurance (MALE) drones—such as Wing Loong, and the CH-4 series of combat and reconnaissance drones. The Chinese presence in the Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) inventory consists of JF-17, J-10C and a few older systems. Nonetheless, the current fog of war severely restricts a reliable assessment of China-supplied fighter aircraft’s performance in the Operation Sindoor and its aftermath.
The irony, however, is absolute: when Islamabad was desperate for these weapon systems, its Chinese-supplied radars, air defence systems, and drones failed to deliver. The drones either got shot down or returned unsuccessfully. More critically, Chinese radar and missile systems were either destroyed or, even if operational, were unable to prevent strikes on Pakistan’s key military installations and airbases.

Reliability of PLA’s Air Defence​

The failure of Chinese systems in Pakistan has raised doubts about the credibility of the PLA’s layered air defence strategy. The PLA Air Force fields nearly 300 HQ-9 SAM variants for long-range air defence, while the PLA Ground Forces employ HQ-16, HQ-7 and FN-6 SAM systems for medium and short-range air coverage. JY-27 and YLC series radars in multiple variants form the bedrock of China’s air surveillance network. To demonstrate, a JY-27 guidance radar has been deployed near the Pangong Tso lake in the Eastern Ladakh region along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) opposite Indian positions.

The PLA Air Force fields nearly 300 HQ-9 SAM variants for long-range air defence, while the PLA Ground Forces employ HQ-16, HQ-7 and FN-6 SAM systems for medium and short-range air coverage.

Defence experts often claim this integrated air defence network is dense enough to repel even stealth fighters and bombers of the United States (US) Armed Forces. However, Pakistan’s experience exposes critical flaws, raising questions that these systems, most of which are reverse-engineered from the erstwhile Soviet Union or Russian designs, may underperform compared to the original systems they are based on, or even their own advertised claims.

PLA’s Vanishing Generals​

Furthermore, the PLA is amidst an acute leadership crisis with top officers vanishing under murky circumstances. In the third week of May 2025, reports emerged that General He Hongjun, Deputy Head of the Central Military Commission’s (CMC) Political Work Department, died by suicide while in custody, merely a year after his promotion to full general. The incident follows the November 2024 purge of his predecessor, Admiral Miao Hua and the April 2025 removal of General He Weidong, the CMC’s second Vice-Chairman, deepening turmoil at the apex of military command.
Over the past two years, more than 20 senior officers have been arrested or prosecuted, marking the most ruthless military purge in recent PLA history. While some dismissals may reflect and accompany ideological rifts or internal rivalries, most are tied to Xi Jinping’s sweeping anti-corruption drive. Moreover, these arrests have extended beyond the military to senior executives in China’s defence industries, exposing systemic corruption in weapons procurement.

China has augmented its military inventory substantially over the last two decades, however, its quality, combat performance and the PLA’s leadership capability have increasingly become unreliable.

This eroding institutional trust has strategic implications. Corruption within the PLA and defence sector risks undermining the quality, reliability, and combat performance of Chinese weapon systems, aggravating the concerns that were already apparent during Operation Sindoor. Beijing has augmented its military inventory substantially over the past two decades, however, its quality, combat performance, and the PLA’s leadership capability have become increasingly unreliable.

Implications: China’s Lack of Confidence in the PLA​

The poor performance of Chinese weapons in Pakistan and the mysterious disappearance of senior PLA generals expose a deeper crisis: Beijing’s shaky confidence in its own military. Excessive secrecy, long intended to protect internal cohesion, has facilitated substandard weapons procurement and politically driven promotions. Corruption has hollowed out both systems, leaving the PLA with critical gaps in competence and reliability.

Excessive secrecy, long intended to protect internal cohesion, has facilitated substandard weapons procurement and politically driven promotions.

China’s ruling CCP, alongside President Xi Jinping, have placed enormous strategic weight on the PLA’s shoulders. For decades, the Party’s legitimacy has rested on economic performance. However, this foundation is eroding with global trade headwinds, rising tariffs, and a growing reluctance among countries to absorb Chinese exports. In its place, nationalism has become the CCP’s principal source of political legitimacy, and the PLA is now expected to deliver on it.
Xi envisions the military as the key instrument to assert Beijing’s claims over Taiwan, dominate the South China Sea, and cement China’s role as the region’s paramount power. However, that ambition is currently facing a sobering reality. If Chinese weapons systems falter during battle and senior military leadership remains plagued by opacity and purges, the credibility of China’s military rise, and by extension, Xi’s national rejuvenation project, is bound to be questioned. Whether the PLA will shoulder the weight of Xi’s ambitions remains an unresolved and increasingly consequential question.

 

[Captscooby]

I want to start by congratulating our armed forces on the successful execution of Operation Sindoor on May 7, 2025. This decisive action crippled the terror bases in pakistan behind the horrific Pahalgam massacre of 27 innocent civilians on April 22.

However, one question still weighs on my mind:

Why have the five terrorists(who were behind this terrorist attack) not yet been neutralised or captured? Did they manage to escape India, or are they still hiding somewhere in Jammu & Kashmir?

Jai Hind!

Who said it was 5 ? as per reporting by all eye witness it was 4 ? where did the 5th come from ? well they are not waiting for forces in open ground to come and kill them . you think their mission here is over with pahalgam .. they will be found as dead body or attacking next target by forces soon