Operation Sindoor and Aftermath (60 Viewers)

dr.defence said:
Sir ,no one here is upset from losses we all know, and appreciate the fact that assets of both sides are lost in war .
But we are angry about giving pakistan a upper edge, In propaganda and damaging the narrative that India won the war one sidedly ,because Pakistanis were not able to prove anything and even their proofs made them appear more unreliable (like the all over social media remark).

So we all are just saying that even If there are losses than just keep quiet (basically SHUT UPP) and don't announce it out and loud in media. Otherwise also tell the number of Pakistan 's jet downed in air and ground both.
Hope you understand .thank you
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Yeah, this is the big blunder done by CDS.
Badbolla pan.

Now u will see hw narrative will change and twitter get flooded. We hv more internal enemy than outsider
 
indrajit said:
Vajpayee fought the Kargil war but prevented forces from decisively crossing the LC.
Modi, after Uri made sure only terrorists were hit.
Modi, after Pulwama again struck only a single terror camp and didn't escalate even after Pakistani retaliation.
Modi, after Pulwama initially struck terrorist targets but opened up after Pakistani retaliation.

Everything that happens has a context and a reference with what has happened before . I don't love the outcome here any more than you do, but it is what it is.
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Oh indeed mate , it's "sicut est , ita est " all the way .
I too agree, but government doesn't take narrative war seriously.
When people do, they are often sent a notice by police .
Also our officers need to choose their words very carefully , when they open their mouth especially when dealing with a known hostile media entity .
The questionnaire was as simple as it gets , then why CDS in all his wisdom, chose to obfuscate so badly in his answer, why use the word " down" ?
He knew , and if he didn't then should have inferred from the question itself, as to what that interviewer meant when she used the term " down" !
Landed is a better term than " downed" if he meant that, and if he actually meant as to " shot down" then should have clarified better .
He has today literally contradicted the military and the pm and defence ministers themselves!

What could have , should have , will be, shall be done is all right but what cannot be overlooked is that
he has literally given a lifeline to boost pak and chicom propaganda by his words.
 
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Selvam91 said:
Rules of engagement is one factor, another thing is both AIM-120,Pl 15 E outranged our air to air missiles.
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If this was the case, PAF would have kept IAF at bay or inflicted additional casualties on days 2 and 3, but why didn't they?

I think it was a self-inflicted hijdagiri on day 1 that resulted in some losses, but then on IAF must have asked the political establishment to ghaand mara once Pak attacked Indian military targets.
 
Burgerican media wants to shoot French industry in the leg, heck orange retard was upset about Europe buying thier indigenous stuff instead of murican maal.
 
Magadha Naresh said:
Oh indeed mate , it's "sicut est , ita est " all the way .
I too agree, but government doesn't take narrative war seriously.
When people do, they are often sent a notice by police .
Also our officers need to choose their words very carefully , when they open their mouth especially when dealing with a known hostile media entity .
The questionnaire was simple as it gets , then why CDS in all his wisdom, chose to obfuscate so badly in his answer, why use the word " down" ?
He knew , and if he didn't should have inferred from the question itself, as ton what that interviewer meant when she used the term " down" !
Land is a better term than " downed" if he meant that, and if he actually meant as to " shot down" then should clarified better .
He has today literally contradicted the military and the pm and defence ministers themselves!

What could have , should have , will be, shall be done is all right but what cannot be overlooked is that he has
he has literally given a lifeline to boost pak and chicom propaganda by his words.
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He clearly meant aircraft were lost. He would have explicitly said that we didn't lose any fighters if that were the case.

His words were pretty clear, he implied we lost aircraft but dod not specify how many.

He also said we learned our lessons, with corrective actions taken.
 
CDS’s statement is being misunderstood. He is speaking in military terms, which is likely causing the confusion.



The CDS did not mention the loss of a single fighter jet. He stated that some jets were initially unavailable at the beginning of the operation, but those same jets flew on May 9th and 10th and participated in Operation Sindoor after the earlier mistake of not conducting SEAD/DEAD was corrected. It’s obvious that no air force would publicly admit to deploying decoys. The Indian government has officially confirmed that there was no loss of assets during Operation Sindoor, and CDS General Anil Chauhan has echoed this statement.
 
Ajatshatru said:
CDS’s statement is being misunderstood. He is speaking in military terms, which is likely causing the confusion.



The CDS did not mention the loss of a single fighter jet. He stated that some jets were initially unavailable at the beginning of the operation, but those same jets flew on May 9th and 10th and participated in Operation Sindoor after the earlier mistake of not conducting SEAD/DEAD was corrected. It’s obvious that no air force would publicly admit to deploying decoys. The Indian government has officially confirmed that there was no loss of assets during Operation Sindoor, and CDS General Anil Chauhan has echoed this statement.
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Accept that we suffered some losses, took corrective actions and inflicted significant damage on Pakis subsequently and move on.

His words were pretty clear to me.
 
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Noob_Saibot said:
He clearly meant aircraft were lost. He would have explicitly said that we didn't lose any fighters if that were the case.

His words were pretty clear, he implied we lost aircraft but dod not specify how many.

He also said we learned our lessons, with corrective actions taken.
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He didn’t say that fighter jets were lost; he said they were unavailable on May 7th. However, the same jets were operational again on May 9th and 10th, after the earlier issues were resolved. “Unavailable” and “shot down” are two completely different things. He was speaking in precise military terminology, which is likely what led to the confusion.
 
Ajatshatru said:
CDS’s statement is being misunderstood. He is speaking in military terms, which is likely causing the confusion.



The CDS did not mention the loss of a single fighter jet. He stated that some jets were initially unavailable at the beginning of the operation, but those same jets flew on May 9th and 10th and participated in Operation Sindoor after the earlier mistake of not conducting SEAD/DEAD was corrected. It’s obvious that no air force would publicly admit to deploying decoys. The Indian government has officially confirmed that there was no loss of assets during Operation Sindoor, and CDS General Anil Chauhan has echoed this statement.
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He was not speaking in front of a military officer, we here are ready to give the benefit of doubt , but others will interpret his words in the manner bloomberg interpreted them.
 
Opposition is absolutely right in questioning government.. When we are lead by incompetent fools opposition should pitch in ask for accountability
Its not opposition fault that government has chosen a grade 1 stupid man for such a high post
 
Noob_Saibot said:
Accept that we suffered some losses, took corrective actions and inflicted significant damage on Pakis subsequently and move on.

His words were pretty clear to me.
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He is just throwing IAF under the bus . Is he official spokesperson for this war . If he is then he should have addressed local media rather than tom toming in front of Gora media ..
And btw what this statement meant that next time Navy will be used to attack ..Does this mean IAF is incapable in dealing with PAF?
 
Ajatshatru said:
Indian Air Force clearly learned from the shortcomings of the Balakot airstrikes, where there was insufficient evidence to confirm their success. In contrast, Operation Sindoor has produced overwhelming proof—satellite images, videos, and even confirmations coming from Pakistani sources themselves.
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Like what? They got outranged in 2019 by AMRAAM, they got outranged in 2025 by the PL-15. They still are struggling with AEW&CS fleet and Meteors not yet integrated/under integration. People don't understand paki doctrine... for them it is "shoot down any Indian asset by any chance" just for the sake of PR. They lobbed half a dozen AMRAAMs only to score one kill. They must've lobbed a similar number to get 2-3 aircrafts down since 3-4 are recovered.

concard said:
I accept losses are part of combat. I am not under any illusion like the subhumans across the border that they have not lost any anything. What I was screaming on top of my lungs right from the day the terror attack happened was, this time there won't be any element of surprise. So we got to bide our time and then retaliate. I specifically even said even though many disagreed strongly here, that we must strike them at the onset of winter. That will give us enough time to prepare and improvise and most importantly make sure Chinese are kept away from the conflict while we can engage the Pakis in a long duration conflict.

Okay, we wanted revenge immediately. Apparently, Modi and his ilk didn't want to waste time and hit them sooner after 15 days. You attacked them without an element of surprise. Now, why the fuck did you give orders to them not to do SEAD and DEAD before striking them? I want to take a giant swing at that haramkore who suggested we should not hit their military assets. I am sick and fed up of our supreme leader who still after 10 years has not understood Paki military and terrorists are part of the same coin. What the fuck he is smoking? I literally said in this very forum, whether you attack only their terror infrastructure or you hit their military assets or both, the Porki retaliation will only be targeting our military assets.

There is only one way to redeem from this fiasco, let our supreme leader order a preemptive strike on their terror infrastructure which anyway will come up in few months and also their military assets in few months time. Tell all the branches of military now, winter is coming and ask them to prepare for a massive strike against Pork land in few months time.
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You can't do pre-emptive SEAD/DEAD as it would alert them and help them evacuate their jihadi assets which anyways are worthless biomass for GHQ even if it gives you tactical advantages at striking their mil assets which would be seen as an act of war against a sovereign state with "excuse of terror acts". Again, primary purpose of Op Sindoor was to strike terrorist camps, that was done, and this time the military did prepare for a retaliation on our assets as much as possible unlike last time.

If pakis don't retaliate (which they obviously will) then well and good, if they do then we will go up the escalation ladder.

Paki doctrine is focussing more on air to air combat coz that sells in their awaam, our focus is in A2/AD. Only way to properly humiliate them would be visible aircraft losses while none on our side, or loss of territory. Otherwise you can flatten up a quarter of karachi and they will still kang on victory by shooting down some other fighter plane, especially Rafale or Tejas (for obvious reasons).

I am a civilian so my opinions on what Armed Forces should do is worthless, but I do feel that they should've been using standoff weapons instead of going close to their engagement range of SAMs and AAMs. If they anyways have to, have a large 'Offensive Counter Air' operation launched simultaneously with SEAD/DEAD and runway cratering. Anything else would lead to prolonged conflict of attrition.

"Losses are part of combat" is easy to say while ignoring the squadron shortfall and the loss of the most potent multi-role fighter of the IAF against a bunch of useless inbreds and not China.

Terrorism won't end unless their military is decapitated by loss of important assets.
 
Selvam91 said:
Many here are saying aircraft loss is not a big deal.That's absurd notion. A single Rafale Jet cost is 270 million USD I.e around Rs.2300 crores .It's costlier than F35. Even 2300 Pakistani military casualties will not suffice this let alone terrorists. Indian government should take blame for stopping this operation before completely destroying Pakistani airforce.
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You can't fight without losses. The assumption that you could destroy the PAF without more losses and risking unprecedented escalation is weird. People talk of attacking Karachi, where do you think the retaliation will be? Mumbai, Reliance refinery...Mundra port...If you think a couple of Rafales are expensive , wait till you see serious economic losses.

Public opinion is fickle. One day, they are blaming Modi for not attacking more and the next day, they will be blaming Modi for the consequences of attacking more....

We all want more to be done but must learn to live with the doable.
 
FalconSlayers said:
Like what? They got outranged in 2019 by AMRAAM, they got outranged in 2025 by the PL-15. They still are struggling with AEW&CS fleet and Meteors not yet integrated/under integration. People don't understand paki doctrine... for them it is "shoot down any Indian asset by any chance" just for the sake of PR. They lobbed half a dozen AMRAAMs only to score one kill. They must've lobbed a similar number to get 2-3 aircrafts down since 3-4 are recovered.


You can't do pre-emptive SEAD/DEAD as it would alert them and help them evacuate their jihadi assets which anyways are worthless biomass for GHQ even if it gives you tactical advantages at striking their mil assets which would be seen as an act of war against a sovereign state with "excuse of terror acts". Again, primary purpose of Op Sindoor was to strike terrorist camps, that was done, and this time the military did prepare for a retaliation on our assets as much as possible unlike last time.

If pakis don't retaliate (which they obviously will) then well and good, if they do then we will go up the escalation ladder.

Paki doctrine is focussing more on air to air combat coz that sells in their awaam, our focus is in A2/AD. Only way to properly humiliate them would be visible aircraft losses while none on our side, or loss of territory. Otherwise you can flatten up a quarter of karachi and they will still kang on victory by shooting down some other fighter plane, especially Rafale or Tejas (for obvious reasons).

I am a civilian so my opinions on what Armed Forces should do is worthless, but I do feel that they should've been using standoff weapons instead of going close to their engagement range of SAMs and AAMs. If they anyways have to, have a large 'Offensive Counter Air' operation launched simultaneously with SEAD/DEAD and runway cratering. Anything else would lead to prolonged conflict of attrition.

"Losses are part of combat" is easy to say while ignoring the squadron shortfall and the loss of the most potent multi-role fighter of the IAF against a bunch of useless inbreds and not China.

Terrorism won't end unless their military is decapitated by loss of important assets.
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Just a thing, mian chunnu is further away from bhawalpur.
Ground launched brahmos could have done the job easily ( but muh escalation ladder ree, we don't wanna cause collateral damage ree , hurr dhurr we won't launch brahmos ree )
Bhai sead dead ki bhi need nai thi , yadi khali ground based assests use hote.
Lekin, we learned in the middile of war that pork will retaliate!
What a surprise, how could they support terrorists ?
So evil they are, isn't it !
As If our forces were fighting them for first time.
If they could launch swift retort , after balakot .
What made them think, they won't retaliate now ?
 
indrajit said:
We wouldn't have been able to say we struck only terrorist targets and international opinion would have been decisively against us. This was a deliberate, calculated act with risk factored in. Mistakes in management happen but with the PM now saying that no distinction between terrorists and their backers will be made, we have a clearer scenario for the next time.
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Sorry to say sir but international opinion was not much on our side . the international media was propelling pakistani propaganda.
The state heads of most nations rated both sides equally (like america , saudi arabia,iran),our some favored pakistan straight forward (like China, turkey, azerbaijan). The nations and international media outlets that supported us were merely handful .So we obviously didn't achieve this narrative so we would have better saved our jets that actually costed us money and hampered our future capacity atleast for some time.
 
eastern_bhartiya said:
Muh "narrative war" is a case of don't play the game if you cry after losing, you either play and win or don't play, operation goals are important, engaging in narrative is a choice, if someone is sacred of conducting sead/dead ops because of muh narrative that guy has already lost it and should not cry.
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That's not how you go into a war. A war even if brief is fought to fortify a nation's Narrative and Military Goals.
Our National narrative was well thought and absolutely flawless - We are targeting Terrorists infrastructure and operations are non-escalatory in nature by not targeting Military establishments. But if there is retaliation we will hit with impunity. (Credit to Political leaders and DGMO cohesive approach)
Our Military goal was to establish military superiority as credible deterrence and not Nuclear bakwas as deterrence (IAF flying for 3 nights with impunity and no Op Swift Retard type adventure by Fizayilya is testament).
OUR JOB IS TO HIT TARGETS WITH IMPUNITY , WITH PRECISION & IN PART OF PAXISTANI IMPURE LAND". IT IS DG-ISPR JOB TO COUNT THE NUMBER OF JETS & BODY BAGS
 
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