Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[Sickle_Cut]

The blackpilling in this thread is astounding.

If this keyword warrior generation was present in 1971 during the Indo Pak war , they would have psychologically given up on the first few days only , same goes for USAF losses in the 1st Gulf War.

Need to focus on the objectives - we hit all our targets with pinpoint accuracy.

No one is question the Precision of strikes

We are talking of a broader objective and a repeated pattern of sloppiness by Import Bahadur and Babus

In Kargil to , they were con-stained

Anyways, the doctrine has shifted.

Sindoor is ongoing as per India and abeyance of Indus Water is an act of War for Pak

Don't be surprised if the Next Round starts sooner than you expect.

 

[Ajatshatru]

The words of the CDs is like this "what is important is not the jet being down but why they were BEING down. After it was sorted, "all" our jets few sorties'.. so this statement can have 2 meanings
1. Initially some (less than 6) were shot down OR
2. Dut to Pakistani surveillance and air defence, they were not flying (that is, they were down on the ground). He never said that these were shot down.

The jets went down or were grounded because Pakistani air defenses were not suppressed. Once the Indian Air Force carried out SEAD operations, those same jets were back in the air, striking deep inside Pakistan — that’s what he said.

 

[Sickle_Cut]

The most recent incident is NOT a honey trapping incident. The junior engineer knew exactly what he was getting himself into and got paid through international and Indian bank accounts. ATS is now probing the details and they suspect a deep network of spies.

If true, it will prove out to be far more damaging than anything we have encountered before.

I have come across some of those 'leaked' chats of the previously arrested DRDO/DPSU guys on Telegram/xitter etc. Those boomers talked like teenagers, bragged like anything and were stupid enough to get caught in a very short period of time.

This incident, otoh, smells trouble.

Why had this dumb country not taken action.

Honey trapping has been happening since decades

You are the reason for your own peril

 

[Sickle_Cut]

Rafale in Bathinda I am pretty sure is a Friendly fire incident, and the Mig29 possibly shot by PAF air to air missile or SAM. Other than that, I want some clarity about the Akhnoor crash one, initially there was a video where Akash missile was seen engaging a Target possibly JF17 and wreckage looks like one. It is mostly Jf17 but a small chance also exist it to be Mirage 2000. And that, Jammu wreckage 100% surely is Mirage 3/5 of PAF.

Friendly Fire by what exactly

It wasn't a chaos or jamming like Swift Retort

What hit the Rafale

 

[vayuu1]

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[sameer]

but I do feel that they should've been using standoff weapons instead of going close to their engagement range of SAMs and AAMs. If they anyways have to, have a large 'Offensive Counter Air' operation launched simultaneously with SEAD/DEAD and runway cratering. Anything else would lead to prolonged conflict of attrition.

I'm wondering this as well, why did we have to send in fighters close to the engagement envelope when if the goal was to simply strike terrorist camps, SSM's would have done the job adequately as well.

Murdike is less than 100km away from the IB. Should've just used some low CEP SRBM's/CM's in service

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

No one is question the Precision of strikes

We are talking of a broader objective and a repeated pattern of sloppiness by Import Bahadur and Babus

In Kargil to , they were con-stained

Anyways, the doctrine has shifted.

Sindoor is ongoing as per India and abeyance of Indus Water is an act of War for Pak

Don't be surprised if the Next Round starts sooner than you expect.

I think lundistani fauj will keep quite for few years, then start their usual antics, CFV might start sooner tho

 

[Ajatshatru]

Friendly Fire by what exactly

It wasn't a chaos or jamming like Swift Retort

What hit the Rafale

One Pakistani JF-17 and one Mirage-3/5 crashed inside India. The engine wreckage circulating on social media doesn’t prove anything, as the Rafale is a twin-engine fighter jet, and no fuselage debris was seen.

 

[ezsasa]

no i mean the chinis themselves were not self-sabotaging themselves in the past like India does right now in narrative and info war.

there is no self sabotaging, this is part of the game and $hit happens.
learn, adapt and move on to get ready for the next play in the game.
chini will censor and delete unfavourable info/posts in realtime, so the question of blackpilling and free debate does not arise.

 

[Sickle_Cut]

One Pakistani JF-17 and one Mirage-3/5 crashed inside India. The engine wreckage circulating on social media doesn’t prove anything, as the Rafale is a twin-engine fighter jet, and no fuselage debris was seen.

Why would PAF ingress into IB or LoC , knowing presence of S400 and our AD.

Marshal Bharti himself denied of having any wreckage

 

[srev2004]

I think lundistani fauj will keep quite for few years, then start their usual antics, CFV might start sooner tho

Every year that passes is a year India grows, I doubt the antics will work in future. The window of opportunity to destabilize India is 18 months.

 

[Sickle_Cut]

I'm wondering this as well, why did we have to send in fighters close to the engagement envelope when if the goal was to simply strike terrorist camps, SSM's would have done the job adequately as well.

Murdike is less than 100km away from the IB. Should've just used some low CEP SRBM's/CM's in service

People are asking this obvious question

Surface launched

Nirbhay

Even Harop Drones directly

many things could have been used

How retarded can Military be to plan an operation.

It felt like 9 SF ambush in Rajouri

 

[Viper316]

CDS interview to Bloomberg raises eyebrows & furious questions. Attrition is already known , What is the necessity of confirming the aircraft losses to a private foriegn media when state leaders keep reiterating operation is stillon ongoing, the whole interview looks staged and well planted, there was no question raised or dicussed regarding pak aircraft losses & infrastructure damage. And It is still not known why we conducted intense mock drills when the ceasefire already in place &both incidents happening today dont think its a coincidence.

 

[Nibbler]

I'm wondering this as well, why did we have to send in fighters close to the engagement envelope when if the goal was to simply strike terrorist camps, SSM's would have done the job adequately as well.

Murdike is less than 100km away from the IB. Should've just used some low CEP SRBM's/CM's in service

I'm pretty sure it was a mix

I recall some Excalibur rounds were used as well..

 

[jaishrikrishna]

I don't see Pak media crying over the loss of their AWACS, F16, and the fact that all their key airbases were made non-operational. They came crying for caesefire.

In India, we take even minor things like one or two jet down too seriously. Opposition is idiot to think that a couple of jet downed is something that they can use to make Modi lose face.

In war, you fight. When you fight, you get hurt. That is the rule of fighting. No matter how powerful a man is, when he fights, he is bound to get somewhat hurt, doesn't matter if he kills the other man in the fight. America got so fucked fighting Taliban. Russia is so fucked fighting Ukraine. Does that make America weaker than Taliban or Russia weaker than Ukraine.

American generals keep getting into wars with immense loss of money and manpower. They do so to keep their forces tip top. If America, despite tremendous money and tech; does not get into fight or get hurt in battlefield for just 50 years, it will become weak.

War scars make you strong. You never learn without knowing your weakness. And the war does precisely that. Otherwise, you are a hawa Hawai military like Chinese.

And I don't give a rat shit about narrative. What is Paki narrative- despite their bases made in operational, attacks on their command and control, and losing IWT- they have won. I would wish Pakis such victory each and every time.

 

[INDIAFIRST]

Never underestimate your adversary, always assume the worst case scenario and prepare accordingly to that.

That's the logic even 10th fail students too understand....

but what about our Gov

who want to win Nobel Price in WAR

1971 mistake of letting porkies easy pow one-side exchange....

Kargil loss for not crossing the border...(ceasefire after 2 months when porkies wanted ceasefire)

balakot fiasco....

and now Hitting things which can be easily repair....(ceasefire after 4 days when porkies wanted ceasefire)

we know what weapons they have...
we know where this weapon will be likely used...
we saYy we have war drill completed...
still we get easily lockdown and then we learn the lesson....

HATS-OFF

 

[Sickle_Cut]

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Sugar Coating won't help.

If IAF was known for vulnerability

Why didn't they plan it differently

There was no need of Rafale or Scalp or Su 30

Just use decoys to fool PAF

Add that with some Harop and other loitering munnition

for a Bahawalpur or Muridke just use a surprise missile may be ER with Su 30

Why the planners are Dumb

 

[Nibbler]

If the losses are on the low side of the what is being speculated. Then they should come out and give the numbers ASAP

 

[Sanglamorre]

The most recent incident is NOT a honey trapping incident. The junior engineer knew exactly what he was getting himself into and got paid through international and Indian bank accounts. ATS is now probing the details and they suspect a deep network of spies.

If true, it will prove out to be far more damaging than anything we have encountered before.

I have come across some of those 'leaked' chats of the previously arrested DRDO/DPSU guys on Telegram/xitter etc. Those boomers talked like teenagers, bragged like anything and were stupid enough to get caught in a very short period of time.

This incident, otoh, smells trouble.

Yeah, I wasn't talking about incidents motivated by money or ideology.

For that, usual tactics to root out spies will be needed. A deep cleanse is needed to find and destroy spies, as well as compromised leadership with interests and children abroad.

 

[indrajit]

People are asking this obvious question

Surface launched

Nirbhay

Even Harop Drones directly

many things could have been used

How retarded can Military be to plan an operation.

It felt like 9 SF ambush in Rajouri

People calling the Indian military retarded and claiming that "people are saying", should find other forums that more suit their interest. This forum has "defence" and " Bharat" in it. Some basic decency is required. Alarm bells are going off.