Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[Magadha Naresh]

You think US defence equipment doesn't have Chinese components?

Su57 might be crap but it will certainly be able to handle J20. That's all we need while we develop AMCA and our own damn engine.

I don't think drones alone will cut it while AMCA comes online and we don't have any other alternative.

Heck indian defence equipments have been atleast in 1 case been found with chicom components!
There was hue and cry about dhanush howitzer using some chinese components or something years back.
People can search it if they wish to.

 

[fire starter]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1929211189050880084?t=QJR2fFd6JkQKQk2sEDzHUg&s=19

 

[Tumba]

the baboons are extremely kanjoos and control the govt, money is also a problem

I dont think , I believe we need to acknowledge we are not technologically that advance… WIP though slowly

 

[Adibot]

True cant trust the russian but never trust the americans

No one can trust anyone brother
This is WW3 loading can't you guys see it
If india doesn't gets her shit together and I mean in all spheres then say goodbye to ever being considered as a world power

 

[Selvam91]

People here forgetting Rafale were not allowed to engage Porkies

Had that bean case

We must have found meteor reckage

Even in that what happened we can't actually
Analyze

Even best of the aircrafts like f-18's and F-35 struggle in contested enviornment

We need to give Rafale 's some space

We should ask questions about Rafale's SPECTRA self protection suit .Apparently Su30 mki able to dodge both BVR,SAM missiles, Rafale couldn't.

 

[Captscooby]

6 Netra Mk2 AEW&C based on Airbus A321 have already been contracted for and another 6 Netra Mk1A AEW&C based on used ERJ145 will receive CCS clearance in the next few months.

Again there is bakchodi we are doing here ..those 6 A321 also going to act as MRTT if i am not wrong ..So we are doing jugaadu AEW&C and tanker in same aircraft ..

ERJ 145 is no more in production they have moved to E-jet E175-E190 ..where are we going to get these ERJ-145 from now ? you see this is going the same way like C-17 we will sleep and then wake up and ask for aircrafts which are not in production and you will make and give it for what paltry 6 jet order ?

Remember NETRA has 240* coverage only , Erieye has 300* coverage for mango public will think 60* kya hai ..But those small gaps in combat where missiles fly in Mach 4-5 is very crucial ..

Best option is to use those C-295 and rope in IAI and get those EL-2090 done or mount NETRA MK1 on C-295 only ..We are at least having assembly for C-295 here in india and can coordinate better with ADA and DRDO for integration of the system

 

[Decahex]

You think US defence equipment doesn't have Chinese components?

Su57 might be crap but it will certainly be able to handle J20. That's all we need while we develop AMCA and our own damn engine.

I don't think drones alone will cut it while AMCA comes online and we don't have any other alternative.

On what basis do you judge that Su-57 will be able to counter J-20? China has built J-20s in bigger numbers and has been operating them for years when Sukhoi was still testing out Su-57 prototypes. Very few Su-57 aircrafts have been produced and at least half of them were prototypes. If the IAF, that is such a loyal customer of Russian jets and Sukhoi especially, rejected Su-57 way back in mid 2010s, how disappointing must it's performance be? If we go out there in desperation, in all probability, we will be pouring money from our own pocket to further Sukhoi's research. The same precious money can be diverted to building engine testing facilities in India if not into further research of AMCA airframes!

Look bro, advanced jets have become extremely expensive with a high profit margin. The only way we can hope to make this sustainable and not become a victim of geopolitical circumstances is if we invest everything we have in indigenous tech. Till then, take whatever Ls we get. We deserve it for not kickstarting Indian aerospace industry in the 90s but don't panic and divert funding away from it now (purchasing Su-57 or any other 5th gen fighter will almost certainly push back AMCA's roll out by years since babus and politicians get breathing space). We as well as the next generation will regret this move and lament it for sure!

 

[Captscooby]

Wrong , child !

Airbus and MoD has negotiation deadlock ( read IDRW )

The Airbus ones are in limbo

Embrarer delivered 6 jets to HAL Bangalore plant ( seen on Google earth )

A 330 based ( Phalcon replacement is still a dream )

Not sure you confused those B-jets parked in HAL as ERJ145 ..they are not what you think those jets are parked there since 2023 if you go in google earth , they are business jets and belong to private owners .

Well we had a deal for 2 more IL-76 based AWACS which are in limbo because of constant increase of aircraft price by IL .. you bite your tongue and pay the ruskies what they ask for or else buy A-330 and build one soon ..At least airbus can deliver aircrafts on time and with agreed cost and no last minute cost escalation at time of delivery

 

[Anantanaga]

The Russians themselves haven't inducted in large numbers, so I agree there are certain concerns.

My sense is for all it's flaws, it can handle J20, which is what we need.

If we can fastrack AMCA by early 2030s, I would not even consider Su57.

Yeah, no. The J-20 is far more advanced. What we need to do is improve our economy, science and tech base and invest in AMCA. The Su-57 is not a proper fifth gen aircraft.

 

[Nicky]

On what basis do you judge that Su-57 will be able to counter J-20? China has built J-20s in bigger numbers and has been operating them for years when Sukhoi was still testing out Su-57 prototypes. Very few Su-57 aircrafts have been produced and at least half of them were prototypes. If the IAF, that is such a loyal customer of Russian jets and Sukhoi especially, rejected Su-57 way back in mid 2010s, how disappointing must it's performance be? If we go out there in desperation, in all probability, we will be pouring money from our own pocket to further Sukhoi's research. The same precious money can be diverted to building engine testing facilities in India if not into further research of AMCA airframes!

Look bro, advanced jets have become extremely expensive with a high profit margin. The only way we can hope to make this sustainable and not become a victim of geopolitical circumstances is if we invest everything we have in indigenous tech. Till then, take whatever Ls we get. We deserve it for not kickstarting Indian aerospace industry in the 90s but don't panic and divert funding away from it now (purchasing Su-57 or any other 5th gen fighter will almost certainly push back AMCA's roll out by years since babus and politicians get breathing space). We as well as the next generation will regret this move and lament it for sure!

Chini have no proven record in defence equipment. Their performance in recent conflict is for all to see. Russian equipment is proven over the years.

AMCA is a big gamble with 15 years lag. It will be side tracked by any opposition government that will eventually come to power in the meantime.

 

[Nicky]

Yeah, no. The J-20 is far more advanced. What we need to do is improve our economy, science and tech base and invest in AMCA. The Su-57 is not a proper fifth gen aircraft.

Haha what evidence is there for J20?

Chini propoganda by it's agents does not count.

 

[Captscooby]

India should attack first or maybe use a false flag as pretext to draw first blood
It's open season now ..You have all the time in the world to plan and attack

Simple questions i saw ANI video about BSF officer saying they are detecting terror launch pads getting filled up now across the border ? are we going to bomb them using arty or what ever or will wait only till they come close to our border and attempt infiltration or worse once they enter into our side and cause a damage , Paki s are not keeping those terrorist in launch pads 5 kms near our border to target TTP or Baloch rebels they are in those pads exclusively to attack india ..

The real answer needed how we are going to take it forward in dealing with this terrorist ..

 

[Captscooby]

Lol , is this your pride.

You lost more people in Peace time than War time.

Economic loss of 26/11 ?

1000s of KIA in Kashmir

Pakis tried a tested scheme ( Mukti Bahini, LTTE, Afghan Taliban )

Whether they are coward doesn't matter, as long as you bleed

Fauji Foudation is happy

You are now shooting like a loose cannon .. calm down ..last i heard Mukti bahini was used by india to fuck pakis in East and created kanglu land ...

 

[Decahex]

Chini have no proven record in defence equipment. Their performance in recent conflict is for all to see. Russian equipment is proven over the years.

AMCA is a big gamble with 15 years lag. It will be side tracked by any opposition government that will eventually come to power in the meantime.

See, this sort of underestimation and idealism is what bit Nehru in the ass in 1962. We already have most of the proven equipment that Russia produces and the Su-57 is certainly not one of them. If it's as good as you think it is, why isn't it deployed in the frontlines in Ukraine regularly? Why isn't there any mass manufacturing for it's primary customer - Russian Air Force?

There's a reason the Su-57 was rejected nearly a decade ago by the IAF and they were and even to this day are a large and loyal customer of Russian and Sukhoi products.

Do keep in mind that we've only encountered export variants of Chinese weapons in Operation Sindoor. Their manufacturing is unmatched and have a rapidly progressing research sector. Underestimating them is a huge mistake and we will pay for it dearly. I would anyday rather overestimate them and be pleasantly surprised than underestimate them and seethe.

AMCA is about as big of a gamble as is Su-57. There's a reason Russians don't use it in their own conflicts. The whole argument about it being exposed to western radars is a cope because conflicts is what proves equipment and leads to feedback and then further improvement. Remember that Hitler had a shit tonne of his weapons tested in the Spanish civil war that Franco went on to win. If they aren't using it, it means they are incapable of using the feedback to improve the product due to economic restrictions. Does that instill confidence in you? It certainly doesn't to me.

 

[Captscooby]

View: https://x.com/Hardisohi/status/1928814773195493628

From next day of phalgam attack if you seen the so much war cheers from our internal thugs i had bad feeling something is cooked up for Mudi ji and our forces there was something grand planned by our pizza mafia and its friends across the border . Prepare everything to counter our Air force and then give a green signal to execute Apr 22nd and then provoke our leadership using constant mockery of R jet including showing Toy plane . they wanted the aircraft to be down at any cost even before the operation was even planned from our side the other side of border had only one objective bring down the R at any cost . This also now makes me think is this because Mudi is 240 and not 296 like 2019 .. execute a grand plan with all international players and then make life miserable inside with your minions you have the game now to target Mudi ..I now have serious doubts about our internal thugs being part of the grand game plan executed ..

 

[Anantanaga]

Haha what evidence is there for J20?

Chini propoganda by it's agents does not count.

Stealth is everything in a fifth generation fighter aircraft. That is what gives them their phenomenal abilities in SEAD and DEAD abilities. The Su-57 is far less stealthy than the J-20. I would even argue that the new South Korean fighter is more stealthy than the Su-57 despite not being a fifth gen fighter yet. You add to that advanced sensors, sensor fusion, situational awareness, data linking and sharing information with other platforms, the J-20 is miles ahead of the Su-57.

Fighter Match Up: Russia's Su-57 vs. China's J-20 Stealth Fighter

Here’s What You Need to Remember: The J-20, however, is probably not designed as a dedicated air superiority fighter like the Su-57 is. Its concept of operations seems to be based on American ideas about how to operate a fifth-generation fighter aircraft. Not much is known about the specifics of...

nationalinterest.org

China is a technologically advanced country now. To deny what they have achieved over the past decades, not just in terms of economic success, but also scientific, technological and industrial research, progress and advancement and put down stuff they have made and are making is extremely delusional. It is actually extremely detrimental for us.

World’s strongest glass that’s as hard as diamond discovered

Material could find applications in solar cells due to its ‘outstanding’ mechanical and electronic properties, say scientists

www.independent.co.uk

We are talking about a country that has a nominal economy five times our size. That easily translates into greater volume and quality of scientific research. We are where they were 15-20 years ago. So right now, they are 15-20 years more advanced than us, technologically and economically. The Russians are simply unable to keep up. They were far behind the Chinese over a decade and a half ago and their chances of ever reducing the gap have all but disappeared after Putin started that pointless and destructive war in Ukraine.

 

[Nicky]

See, this sort of underestimation and idealism is what bit Nehru in the ass in 1962. We already have most of the proven equipment that Russia produces and the Su-57 is certainly not one of them. If it's as good as you think it is, why isn't it deployed in the frontlines in Ukraine regularly? Why isn't there any mass manufacturing for it's primary customer - Russian Air Force?

There's a reason the Su-57 was rejected nearly a decade ago by the IAF and they were and even to this day are a large and loyal customer of Russian and Sukhoi products.

Do keep in mind that we've only encountered export variants of Chinese weapons in Operation Sindoor. Their manufacturing is unmatched and have a rapidly progressing research sector. Underestimating them is a huge mistake and we will pay for it dearly. I would anyday rather overestimate them and be pleasantly surprised than underestimate them and seethe.

AMCA is about as big of a gamble as is Su-57. There's a reason Russians don't use it in their own conflicts. The whole argument about it being exposed to western radars is a cope because conflicts is what proves equipment and leads to feedback and then further improvement. Remember that Hitler had a shit tonne of his weapons tested in the Spanish civil war that Franco went on to win. If they aren't using it, it means they are incapable of using the feedback to improve the product due to economic restrictions. Does that instill confidence in you? It certainly doesn't to me.

Show me a Chini platform that has performed in war. I'll wait.

Su57 are in limited numbers, so Russia will obviously be cautious. How often does the US use F22?

For all the concerns about Su57, I don't see any evidence of J20 being superior in any way. I don't care what Chini and their bought agents claim.

 

[Oldworld]

You can't do pre-emptive SEAD/DEAD

Pre-emptive SEAD/DEAD was never possible in the current situation

Note the statement released after May 7th overtly mention no Pak miltary facilities were targetted

In other words, IAF was asked not to target any PAF military assets and hence IAF could only rely on passive measures like jamming

This is validated to some extant in one of the MoD statements that IAF jammed Chinese SAMs
post operations on May 14th


Political posturing by Indian leadership was - we never targetted the Pak military first, it was them that initiated the military hostilities.

Its not uncommon for political leadership to make unrealistic demands for military, there is a history of this in India and even in USA.


In real war this would never be the case, we would first soften up their counter air environment and then go for targetting their bases like demonstrated on 9th and 10th

 

[Nicky]

Stealth is everything in a fifth generation fighter aircraft. That is what gives them their phenomenal abilities in SEAD and DEAD abilities. The Su-57 is far less stealthy than the J-20. I would even argue that the new South Korean fighter is more stealthy than the Su-57 despite not being a fifth gen fighter yet. You add to that advanced sensors, sensor fusion, situational awareness, data linking and sharing information with other platforms, the J-20 is miles ahead of the Su-57.

Fighter Match Up: Russia's Su-57 vs. China's J-20 Stealth Fighter

Here’s What You Need to Remember: The J-20, however, is probably not designed as a dedicated air superiority fighter like the Su-57 is. Its concept of operations seems to be based on American ideas about how to operate a fifth-generation fighter aircraft. Not much is known about the specifics of...

nationalinterest.org

China is a technologically advanced country now. To deny what they have achieved over the past decades, not just in terms of economic success, but also scientific, technological and industrial research, progress and advancement and put down stuff they have made and are making is extremely delusional. It is actually extremely detrimental for us.

World’s strongest glass that’s as hard as diamond discovered

Material could find applications in solar cells due to its ‘outstanding’ mechanical and electronic properties, say scientists

www.independent.co.uk

We are talking about a country that has a nominal economy five times our size. That easily translates into greater volume and quality of scientific research. We are where they were 15-20 years ago. So right now, they are 15-20 years more advanced than us, technologically and economically. The Russians are simply unable to keep up. They were far behind the Chinese over a decade and a half ago and their chances of ever reducing the gap have all but disappeared after Putin started that pointless and destructive war in Ukraine.

All of these are claims with no evidence.

We saw performance of Chini equipment when we blasted Porkies bases.


View: https://x.com/erbmjha/status/1929214203983773836?t=IEYxU_HiBE65ZBiNu59CLw&s=19

 

[Captscooby]

That CDS interview once again re-inforces the fact this current government is the worst ever Indian govt. when it comes to global narrative management . Congress was much better at these things.

ha ha ha ha the previous govt was so good in global narrative your embassy staff gets strip searched in Uncle Ji country .. The western media was against then too they are even more dead against a so called hindu majority favourite leader .. the venom from the west has only gone up because the current one is not one of their globo lefto homo sphere type and trying to bring some respect .

Dossier boys should just keep calm instead of boasting about their nikamaye decade