Operation Sindoor and Aftermath (59 Viewers)

. This is not looking good . If they have declared loses on day 1 everybody would have moved on by now and we would not be in this position where every tom dick and harry is coming up with theories .
Ask that to the Chinese or the pakis who never declare their dead or killed. Why should only we declare our losses I have seen no one on Twitter or dfi ever mention that pakis and Chinese never declare losses it took china 9 months to declare their deaths in galwan
 
IAF is in a precarious situation. No IAF BVR missiles can get mid course updates from AEW&Cs or a UAV relay. This means they need to guided by the shooter itself or a buddy shooter, they will be under threat from PL-15 and PL-17 and may not be able to provide mid course updates throughout to ensure good PK. Where as PAF or PLAAF shooter can engage in truly fire and forget tactic, shooter fires BVR and then rely on AEW&Cs or UAV relay to guide the missile via Chinese datalink.

Only solution is to develop a local tactical data link system like Link16 or 17. To update ASTRA missile series to work with this datalink. Re platforms, update SU30MKI, MIG29UPG, LCA and our AEW&Cs with this datalink. Not sure if french platforms can be updated without huge OEM costs.

Till then, IAF will have to be defensive in air to air engagement and relying on SAMs like S400, MRSAM and Kusha (in future for area denial). Longer range air to surface standoff weapons like Brahmos, Rudram 2 & 3 will provide deterrence against PLAAF and PAF (they are specially vulnerable to it).
SAAB Erieye cannot guide Chinese AAMs, western datalink cannot be used to guide chinese missiles, this has already been discussed. PAF's chinese AWACS are already retired btw. I don't know about whether PLAAF AWACS are able to guide their AAMs or not, that is debatable.
 
IAF is in a precarious situation. No IAF BVR missiles can get mid course updates from AEW&Cs or a UAV relay. This means they need to guided by the shooter itself or a buddy shooter, they will be under threat from PL-15 and PL-17 and may not be able to provide mid course updates throughout to ensure good PK. Where as PAF or PLAAF shooter can engage in truly fire and forget tactic, shooter fires BVR and then rely on AEW&Cs or UAV relay to guide the missile via Chinese datalink.

Only solution is to develop a local tactical data link system like Link16 or 17. To update ASTRA missile series to work with this datalink. Re platforms, update SU30MKI, MIG29UPG, LCA and our AEW&Cs with this datalink. Not sure if french platforms can be updated without huge OEM costs.

Till then, IAF will have to be defensive in air to air engagement and relying on SAMs like S400, MRSAM and Kusha (in future for area denial). Longer range air to surface standoff weapons like Brahmos, Rudram 2 & 3 will provide deterrence against PLAAF and PAF (they are specially vulnerable to it).
U chinese or some not paki propaganda infested person

There is absolutely no way pakistani have common data link
Period
Especially to indians who are propagating it by reading some stupid reports
Link 16 and link 17 can never be interested connected
A basic system design engineer working in this field will tell you how that's possible without humongous work or cooperation btw america and China
And whatever missile hit our any sort of aircraft was SAM or AAM guided by aircraft itself


Coming to us why do everyone forget we have our own datalink for all our 3 services and they are interconnected too
Our all equipments are connected to their service specific datalink which is further interconnected that's why we make modifications on imported systems be it rafales mkis mirages netra il-76 infact p8i has few bel electronics are installed for operations with our datalink
We have the capability to communicate and guide missiles based on other platforms data

I won't write anything further on this u can use simple google search to get the info
Propagate whatever u want
 
SAAB Erieye cannot guide Chinese AAMs, western datalink cannot be used to guide chinese missiles, this has already been discussed. PAF's chinese AWACS are already retired btw. I don't know about whether PLAAF AWACS are able to guide their AAMs or not, that is debatable.

Another fake news propaganda… due to restricted ROE IAF suffered few losses not because PAF is brilliant or has technical advantage…

IAF was simply trying to bomb terror camps while PAF was having prime time viewership.

Once IAF send across the payload PAF who was enjoying prime time view due to IAF’s self inflicted ROEs started throwing BVRs/SAMs and if you throw many in target rich environment its simply probability that eventually few odd will find targets.

This was the tactical mistake … of not taking care of the Sead/Dead and sanitising PAF before hitting terror camps.

Next time if IAF restricts itself then they have themselves to blame
 
Ask that to the Chinese or the pakis who never declare their dead or killed. Why should only we declare our losses I have seen no one on Twitter or dfi ever mention that pakis and Chinese never declare losses it took china 9 months to declare their deaths in galwan
No need to waste time this guy is known congitard … he is just repeating what his anti Hindu/anti India leader raul vinci is saying
 
Thanks mate, please can you post before and after pics of Skardu airforce base bombed to hell, using your HD chinese satellites? Please give my thanks in advance for your commissar incharge of such activities!
Don't ask me. I haven't either

It needs to be bought with money
 
Don't ask me. I haven't either

It needs to be bought with money
That's why I said ask your commissar for it, we are not freeloaders like your iron brother pakistanis! We (GOI) have them and will release these specific pics for Skardu, when the time is ripe, they will be released.

Your commissar or handler can share them so that we can have some more fun, the way we had while publishing the bombing of all other pakistani bases.

Note: Indian Osint have tried getting Skardu pics from various Sat companies, however they have denied siting cloud cover or some other excuse!
 
"Losses are not important, outcomes are"
The CDS is completely right here. Losses are not important, what matters is whether or not we achieved our strategic objectives. Which we did as a result of this operation. It doesn't matter how much Pakistanis try to deny it and paint a different picture about the whole conflict but they were humiliated left in every possible way we could and this time we showed clear irrefutable evidence. It is evident that we did face a few losses, but we learnt from our shortcomings and have taken the necessary steps to rectify those strategic mistakes to prevent them from happening again in the future.
Media management is not work of army. CDS must be straight and right , but they must have taken him out of context. Moreover all the world media is hell bent upon to show Great Indian Victory in poor light , so they all are after every thing twisted in their way.However , I think GOV should take note of this and should improve upon this in next game. I would again say it here , actually winning war is more important than media war.
If tomorrow INS Arihant and INS Arighat simultaneously empty their entire stockpile of SLBMs on every possible location (Major cities like Karachi, Lahore, Faisalabad, Islamabad) in Pakistan with the addition of several nuclear tipped Agni missiles joining the attack, it is no doubt that the entirety of Pakistan will be reduced to an unrecognizable heap of radioactive sludge. Out of those 241 million or more Pakistanis, there will be some, probably a few handful of them which will survive and come out of the ashes. And those handful who survive, all they need to do is build a makeshift shelter from scrap, somehow get a Laptop or phone along with cellular connection and no sooner they get that they will run to twitter or YouTube and write "The Tea is Fantastic", "Kuch nahi kar paye tum endia walo". That is how shameless they are, Besharam the aur rahenge. Even after getting humiliated and defeated by India in every war, getting half their country torn apart into two pieces, they are still not able to accept the reality that they can never defeat us and still shamelessly proclaim themselves as the victors of every conflict with India.
This is correct , but still GOV should have prolonged this for another day or two. The complete humiliation of PAK in front of world would have achieved much more peace for India , I do not know for what reason they immediately accepted ceasefire.
 
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U chinese or some not paki propaganda infested person

There is absolutely no way pakistani have common data link
Period
Especially to indians who are propagating it by reading some stupid reports
Link 16 and link 17 can never be interested connected
A basic system design engineer working in this field will tell you how that's possible without humongous work or cooperation btw america and China
And whatever missile hit our any sort of aircraft was SAM or AAM guided by aircraft itself


Coming to us why do everyone forget we have our own datalink for all our 3 services and they are interconnected too
Our all equipments are connected to their service specific datalink which is further interconnected that's why we make modifications on imported systems be it rafales mkis mirages netra il-76 infact p8i has few bel electronics are installed for operations with our datalink
We have the capability to communicate and guide missiles based on other platforms data

I won't write anything further on this u can use simple google search to get the info
Propagate whatever u want
I agree we have datalinks that connect AEW&C to shooters like BNET-AR, etc. But the datalink for BVR missile guidance is only from shooters, our AEW&Cs do not have the ability to provide these updates directly to BVR missile. This is the capability gap vis-a-vis PLAAF and PAF now. For example, the ku band datalink for Astra mk1 is on the Astra launcher pylon itself. We have the ability for a buddy (different from actual shooter) to guide missiles but these are fighters too and unlike AEW&C or UAV relay (beaming updates from ground station) will be in the threat envelope of PL-15.

Why do you think we saw no wreckage of our AAMs in Pakistan, I think J-10 were zooming in and launching (lofting) PL-15s and then turning cold as they relied on AEW&C or an UAV relay to guide those missiles, thus denying us an opportunity to fire back. One thing I missed in my initial post, maybe integration of loyal wingman like Cats Warrior with Astra missile coupled with SU30MKI can complicate the situation for PAF and allow IAF to play to it's number advantage.

Source for the images: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...ed-iaf-rafale-loss-on-the-7th-may-2025.46150/1749119006729.webp1749119039630.webp
 
Even this guy is making sense because of incompetence of Leaderji .. times we are living in

View: https://x.com/PravinSawhney/status/1930434066454827375


Broody's pre LS 2024 avatar is back, guys. Dude is just trolling.


View: https://x.com/hellfire_81/status/1930258986818732035
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Hellfire sir is signaling towards ssg teams operating in kashmir with manpads , this is a very grave provocation and we should (most probably would) react with the same in Balochistan and other tribal areas where pakland has been bombing its own citizens with impunity.



He is bullshitting. It is amazing how him and chuha, both nincompoop buffoons, are being taken seriously post op Sindoor.

CC: @Gslv Mk3
 
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I agree we have datalinks that connect AEW&C to shooters like BNET-AR, etc. But the datalink for BVR missile guidance is only from shooters, our AEW&Cs do not have the ability to provide these updates directly to BVR missile. This is the capability gap vis-a-vis PLAAF and PAF now. For example, the ku band datalink for Astra mk1 is on the Astra launcher pylon itself. We have the ability for a buddy (different from actual shooter) to guide missiles but these are fighters too and unlike AEW&C or UAV relay (beaming updates from ground station) will be in the threat envelope of PL-15.

Why do you think we saw no wreckage of our AAMs in Pakistan, I think J-10 were zooming in and launching (lofting) PL-15s and then turning cold as they relied on AEW&C or an UAV relay to guide those missiles, thus denying us an opportunity to fire back. One thing I missed in my initial post, maybe integration of loyal wingman like Cats Warrior with Astra missile coupled with SU30MKI can complicate the situation for PAF and allow IAF to play to it's number advantage.

Source for the images: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/th...ed-iaf-rafale-loss-on-the-7th-may-2025.46150/View attachment 38387View attachment 38388
Look mate
Our awacs can share real time data and location of enemy aircraft but guiding it depends on missiles capability
Definitely pl-15 has that capability but the point is they need chinese datalink bcoz link-16 cannot be integrated with chinese platforms coz that would risk a lot of data and systems critical info under nato

The reason pakistani fired and went back not bcoz their awacs was providing relay to pl-15 but that's their strategy like what they did during swift retort baiting the aircraft to their air defence zones and then shoot it down or other aircrafts waiting for it
We fired bvr or not and why was it fired is a different topic coz we had to follow RoE laid by the govt

And mostly the awacs which was on the air was saab not chinese making it sure that awacs wasn't guiding the missile
And moreover it's and active guided missile
 

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