Operation Sindoor and Aftermath

[snakeeyes07]

Imports are not immediate solution either. Because those too take their sweet time. We have to improve our air defences. This is the reason why Bhaduria ji was saying buying 5th gen jet isn't the solution to this problem.

Weapons like NG, Rudram 3, Astra mk3 and other weapons in advanced stage of development like LRASHM need to go in production ASAP. SU30MKI radar upgrade.

BDL & BEL annual production rate for most missiles are in 2 digits that too on the lower end. They should be in 3 digits at-least.

More Scalp, ROCKS, Rampage can be imported. I think the only partner that can help us in a manner similar to how China is helping Pakistan, is Israel.

If a platform needs to be imported then I think it should be 2 squadrons of F35A with AIM120C8 & AARGM-ER via FMS route. Even if they are not reasonably integrated into IAF ecosystem, these working by themselves could deter Chinese & Pakistan until AMCA comes online. Maybe the deliveries can get expedited too, as it directly affects USA. Because if new Chinese weapons perform well during next IAF-PAF clash then China will gain experience and confidence to initiate action on Taiwan. Also, it might keep India quiet during a potential Taiwan war. Otherwise even coercive mobilization by Indian forces could tie down quite a bit of Chinese resources.

 

[Srinivas]

Are bhai yrr , rafale is down accept and move on. Even french parliament knows now. Get out of the cope and start preparing for future. Pakistan is getting fc 31 thats much bigger than downed rafale

this is a mere claim from Pakistan with out any proofs.

And nothing else.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Pakistan getting(working on) 40 J-35A
HQ-19 and KJ-500.
The convo is too bland I want to add some dhoti shivering to the mix.

View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1930957460862378299

Su 57E incoming.


View: https://x.com/KesariDhwaj/status/1930871262416437254

 

[redpanda]

Weapons like NG, Rudram 3, Astra mk3 and other weapons in advanced stage of development like LRASHM need to go in production ASAP.

BDL & BEL annual production rate for most missiles are in 2 digits that too on the lower end. They should be in 3 digits at-least.

More Scalp, ROCKS, Rampage can be imported. I think the only partner that can help us in a manner similar to how China is helping Pakistan is Israel.

If a platform needs to be imported then I think it should be 2 squadrons of F35A with AIM120C8 & AARGM-ER via FMS route. Even if they are not reasonably integrated into IAF ecosystem, these working by themselves could deter Chinese & Pakistan until AMCA comes online. Maybe the deliveries can get expedited too, as it directly affects USA. Because if new Chinese weapons perform well during next IAF-PAF clash then China will gain experience and confidence to initiate action on Taiwan. Also, it might keep India quiet during a potential Taiwan war. Otherwise even coercive mobilization by Indian forces could tie down quite a bit of Chinese resources.

If a platform needs to be imported then I think it should be 2 squadrons of F35A with AIM120C8 & AARGM-ER via FMS route.

Agree with everything before this but on F35s I think FMS doesn't guarantee fast delivery. Because there are already tons of orders for F35s. And there are still gonna be many complicated processes involved even via this route. At best 1-2 years earlier than usual route. We aren't getting any jet before 2030. Look at the Apache & F404 drama. US can always pull that bs with F-35 as well citing supply chain issues.

 

[Decahex]

Ngl our folks need to calm down. And need to think before taking any extraordinary news coming from Pakistan with a cup of salt. Pakistan will get J35s but I don't think how China will deliver them first before setting up production lines for itself. And they used to claim same stuff for those subs. People here were panicking reading similar paxtani phamplet that Pakistan Navy will now have edge over IN in few years. Paxtanis were saying China will deliver all the subs in just one year. What happened to that?

China isn't their Jinn, it can't make stuff come out of thin air and just deliver them through Insta-Jinn delivery services. Things takes time to get delivered. That being ofc we should not take them lightly. We have to prepare ourselves against these things because they will get these stuff eventually.

There's an article from Janes which says they will receive it within a few months.

Pakistan to start inducting FC-31 fighters

China is set to start supplying the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) with its Shenyang FC-31 ‘Gyrfalcon' multirole stealth fighter aircraft, a senior Pakistani government...

www.janes.com

There are some details that don't make sense. The PL-17 is much bigger than the weapons bay of the J-35/FC-31 AFAIK so I don't think all the details there are 100% accurate. In any case, regardless of what members here think and public opinion shapes up and regardless of when the PAF inducts the J-35, DRDO, HAL, IAF and GoI need to take up AMCA's case with war footing. If they can replicate what they did with Zorawar's development, that would be the best. There is no room for procrastination there.

 

[redpanda]

There's an article from Janes which says they will receive it within a few months.

Pakistan to start inducting FC-31 fighters

China is set to start supplying the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) with its Shenyang FC-31 ‘Gyrfalcon' multirole stealth fighter aircraft, a senior Pakistani government...

www.janes.com

There are some details that don't make sense. The PL-17 is much bigger than the weapons bay of the J-35/FC-31 AFAIK so I don't think all the details there are 100% accurate. In any case, regardless of what members here think and public opinion shapes up and regardless of when the PAF inducts the J-35, DRDO, HAL, IAF and GoI need to take up AMCA's case with war footing. If they can replicate what they did with Zorawar's development, that would be the best. There is no room for procrastination there.

Take anything written by a Pakistani journo with some salt.They have written a lot of similar stuff recently. Take example of that Russian-Pakistani mega deal bs they were writing that in highly reputed Japanese media like Nikkei. Janes is reputed but we also need to understand Pakistani are master in setting up narrative warfare and they have their folks everywhere including reputed oulets like Janes and Nikkei.

I'm not saying they won't get a 5th gen jet from China. They will get it for sure. But I heavily doubt these claims that they will get within next few months.

Agreed GoI & co need to fastrack AMCA on warfooting. As well as everything else like Astra Mk3, NG, SAMs, etc.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Just in case anyone's been looking for some cheap laughter -


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnL0A3o8Lj0

I was wondering how these inbreds are getting even more confident and shameless each passing day, and then I realise these youtubers and AssINT accounts have successfully convinced their illiterate population into believing PeeAF struck IAF bases and shot down 7 aircrafts and destroyed what not in J&K, and each passing day their new claims surface for which their fizaya has given no proof cause there exists none .

These youtubers convince them they can sink our aircraft carriers, intercept Indian hypersonic missiles, destroy our airbases and even nuke us easily, and then they come and blabber that crap whole day long online.

It's fascinating how easy it is to fool them and make themselves think that they genuinely have the capability to defeat India. That's akin to believing India can take-on china and emerge victorious in a proper war (not minor skirmishes).

 

[haldilal]

View: https://x.com/bishwa55900127/status/1931008801416622123

 

[shade2]

Of all the pronouncements the one I find most intriguing is 1,50,000 trained Paxtanis are headed to Belarus. Now Belarus is hardly known for its industrial prowess. What exactly are these " trained "( in what ?) Paxtani workers going to do there ? Wonder who's scamming whom here ?

For all you know they would use Belarus as a base to escape into the rest of Europe which is exactly what the intention must be , possibly part of Putin's psy ops on the EU.

>escape
No, they are pushed in via the Polund border afaik but the border there is fenced and patrolled since Putya has been doing this since atleast 2022, it's an old trick that is not as effective.

OTOH these Pakis are ((( trained ))) in Jihad and are more cannon fodder for Putya's invasion of Ukraine, Belarus is Russia's left nut after all.

Oh btw and you were talking about >muh reputation of Janes in some other thread, waise Reuters, FT, CNN etc all have this ((( reputation ))) but doesn't stop them from running articles from ISI Journalists

View attachment 38503Take anything written by a Pakistani journo with some salt.They have written a lot of similar stuff recently. Take example of that Russian-Pakistani mega deal bs they were writing that in highly reputed Japanese media like Nikkei. Janes is reputed but we also need to understand Pakistani are master in setting up narrative warfare and they have their folks everywhere including reputed oulets like Janes and Nikkei.

I'm not saying they won't get a 5th gen jet from China. They will get it for sure. But I heavily doubt these claims that they will get within next few months.

Agreed GoI & co need to fastrack AMCA on warfooting. As well as everything else like Astra Mk3, NG, SAMs, etc.

One other guy also here points out that they expect delivery in months
Alongside other discrepancies, one i realized is chongs have stopped calling it FC-31, it's J-35 now since it has finished development, but this janes author( a paki ) does?

There's an article from Janes which says they will receive it within a few months.

Pakistan to start inducting FC-31 fighters

China is set to start supplying the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) with its Shenyang FC-31 ‘Gyrfalcon' multirole stealth fighter aircraft, a senior Pakistani government...

www.janes.com

There are some details that don't make sense. The PL-17 is much bigger than the weapons bay of the J-35/FC-31 AFAIK so I don't think all the details there are 100% accurate. In any case, regardless of what members here think and public opinion shapes up and regardless of when the PAF inducts the J-35, DRDO, HAL, IAF and GoI need to take up AMCA's case with war footing. If they can replicate what they did with Zorawar's development, that would be the best. There is no room for procrastination there.

I am only against dhoti-shivering and rudali and blackpilling here over some Paki acquisition of J-35 jo bhi, baaki ka these are beyond our control and so is complacency of baboondom and politician class, especially Leaderji

 

[shade2]

None of you read more than the highlighted parts in a document.

Please have higher standards for proof your personal, professional, and public life.

New Member Paki is gas lighting us by pretending to be "hello fellow Endians"
Could be a librandu too

 

[Nibbler]

Of all the pronouncements the one I find most intriguing is 1,50,000 trained Paxtanis are headed to Belarus. Now Belarus is hardly known for its industrial prowess. What exactly are these " trained "( in what ?) Paxtani workers going to do there ? Wonder who's scamming whom here ?

For all you know they would use Belarus as a base to escape into the rest of Europe which is exactly what the intention must be , possibly part of Putin's psy ops on the EU.

Belarus border with europe has hardened since ukraine

View attachment 38503Take anything written by a Pakistani journo with some salt.They have written a lot of similar stuff recently. Take example of that Russian-Pakistani mega deal bs they were writing that in highly reputed Japanese media like Nikkei. Janes is reputed but we also need to understand Pakistani are master in setting up narrative warfare and they have their folks everywhere including reputed oulets like Janes and Nikkei.

I'm not saying they won't get a 5th gen jet from China. They will get it for sure. But I heavily doubt these claims that they will get within next few months.

Agreed GoI & co need to fastrack AMCA on warfooting. As well as everything else like Astra Mk3, NG, SAMs, etc.

Whatever pakistan buys it cannot change its geography.

Unironically built to lose.

Pak alone will never be more than an annoyance of varying degrees.

The two front war is what should give concern

 

[Decahex]

View attachment 38503Take anything written by a Pakistani journo with some salt.They are writing a lot of similar stuff recently. Take example that Russian-Pakistani mega deal bs they were writing in reputed Japanese media. Janes is reputed but we also need to understand Pakistani are master in setting up narrative warfare and they have their folks everywhere including reputed oulets like Janes and Nikkei.

Normally, I'd agree but Janes AFAIK is a cut above the rest so there must be at least something credible in there. Regardless, the point is, it doesn't matter if the J-35 will come tomorrow morning or in a decade - at no point should India procrastinate with AMCA. If the babudom show their regular babugiri, if the netadom show their regular netagiri and if the horny mfs at DRDO show their hornygiri, the nation will pay a heavy price.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Agree with everything before this but on F35s I think FMS doesn't guarantee fast delivery. Because there are already tons of orders for F35s. And there are still gonna be many complicated processes involved even via this route. At best 1-2 years earlier than usual route. We aren't getting any jet before 2030. Look at the Apache & F404 drama. US can always pull that bs with F-35 as well citing supply chain issues.

Apache situation is a cautionary tale. With F404, I think HAL and Defence ministry needs to be blamed for not ordering in time and letting the IN20 engine production line go offline. If they knew that eventually LCA would be inducted in IAF in numbers, they should have stockpiled 50 engines (3-4 years of LCA production).

With F35, maybe US can give a preferential delivery of at-least first 10-15 aircrafts by 2028-2029, like they helped us with MQ9B lease during Chinese standoff. With FMS, there won't be any tender or opposition politics about corruption.

If no F35, I don't think SU57 is an option. The design itself is not good compared to J20 & J35 let alone F35. That's why Russia has not used it extensively in the Ukraine war theater. Also to get it inducted into IAF would be a project in itself like SU30MKI.

Might need to look at asymmetrical means to counter stealth till AMCA like VHF radars, passive EW & radars, etc. If a S band detects 2m^2 at 300km then it should be able to detect J35 at 140km (0.1m^2), it is not like they will be flying over our airbases. They might cross the IB to launch weapons but won't come deep inside as RCS from other aspects are higher and they will risk detection by IAF & IA network of radars. I think QRSAM batteries and maybe even imported Iron Dome can be used to protect air bases and intercept whatever weapons J35 fired.

 

[snakeeyes07]

There's an article from Janes which says they will receive it within a few months.

Pakistan to start inducting FC-31 fighters

China is set to start supplying the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) with its Shenyang FC-31 ‘Gyrfalcon' multirole stealth fighter aircraft, a senior Pakistani government...

www.janes.com

There are some details that don't make sense. The PL-17 is much bigger than the weapons bay of the J-35/FC-31 AFAIK so I don't think all the details there are 100% accurate. In any case, regardless of what members here think and public opinion shapes up and regardless of when the PAF inducts the J-35, DRDO, HAL, IAF and GoI need to take up AMCA's case with war footing. If they can replicate what they did with Zorawar's development, that would be the best. There is no room for procrastination there.

PL21 and PL17 were seen on external pylons with J20s. Should be same with J35.

 

[shade2]

I have remained mostly quiet since 10th may... not posted much... a thought / a vibe is touching me repeatedly since that day... and every development since then is conforming that vibe... I want to compare the 4 day stuff to "1st battle of Tarain"... a lot of similarity especially in what happened post both these confrontations. Bilkul waisa hi hai.

Reckless Rajputs vs revengeful ghurids who immediately went in preparation mode.

>Oye Ve, It's anuddah Tarain!

2nd battle of Tarain was so catastrophic that it led to the start of green rule in the country.

Max in any future war between Muneera's heeramandi products and us is we take a few Ls, downed jets, maybe the Jamnagar refinery burns, people die in terror attacks etc, there is nothing catastrophic and we hit with twice the force, once again when we are at the cusp of victory the dhotis will get angry calls from Washington and another cheese-fire will happen.

So this is what will happen, stop unnecessarily bhosdapilling, parallels between 2nd battle of Tarain and any future scenario is only that we will take some losses but it doesn't mean Napak fauj will be in Delhi like Ghori's was

It does tell that pakis are being funded by IMF, WB, chongs only for weapons and they fear this rogue nation might collapse if not constantly fed. 40 J-35s alone will cost $4 billion+ including weapons and spares if the costs online are correct. This alone is 3-4% of their actual GDP, and 10% of annual tax collections.

Porks are the most loyal bioweapons of anglo saxons and the han, them being turned into a frankenstein proxy is not good for us. GoI needs to subsidise exports of offensive platforms to countries around south china sea.

>collapse
No, they were kept on enough life support to keep them from collapsing already, this new bheek is to help them get back their ((( parity ))) to counter India by various foreign sponsors that you have mentioned.

Clearly mlecchas believe a lot in this shithole's capability to counter India, not the least helped by our Netas, Babooze, Jernails and DPSU Sarkari karamchari's combined ((( efforts ))).

Also inspite of the Reuters/CNN/BBC/WaPoo etc kanging on 786 Rafales downed, deep down all the haramis at Pentagon and China know what a beating their dog has received and are trying to rebuild their mutt's strength and give him new teeth.

 

[shade2]

I was wondering how these inbreds are getting even more confident and shameless each passing day, and then I realise these youtubers and AssINT accounts have successfully convinced their illiterate population into believing PeeAF struck IAF bases and shot down 7 aircrafts and destroyed what not in J&K, and each passing day their new claims surface for which their fizaya has given no proof cause there exists none .

These youtubers convince them they can sink our aircraft carriers, intercept Indian hypersonic missiles, destroy our airbases and even nuke us easily, and then they come and blabber that crap whole day long online.

It's fascinating how easy it is to fool them and make themselves think that they genuinely have the capability to defeat India. That's akin to believing India can take-on china and emerge victorious in a proper war (not minor skirmishes).

This is fascinating to you?
Majority of Kanglus believe they can defeat India and annex our Bengal and the north east

The green cannot into reality, he can only into delulu, look at the pelastinians in Gaza, you ask your average Abdul there and he will say they are "winning" against da jooz.

 

[Selvam91]

Trump's friend a pedophile and justified sex with kids.


View: https://x.com/PeterSchiff/status/1930818380862505347?t=jfEnh8r1LjWciirx0VfQzQ&s=19


View: https://x.com/PeterSchiff/status/1930820375015002230?t=TyimibP1bPFAKLxVxTfabg&s=19


View: https://x.com/PeterSchiff/status/1930854859416440844?t=TzVBDYhixoYNYwIx91BxcQ&s=19

Here he accepts of raping kids during his college time.


View: https://x.com/PeterSchiff/status/1930826339734708556?t=w6qiaRa_gFad4OlgQc7TXw&s=19

Most maga are closet pedos so is trump,bill gates etc.


View: https://youtu.be/H8czVPrRkWk?si=fpx7GEjh1fANpVJ0

Former Miss Arizona says Donald Trump used to 'stroll in' to see naked women in dressing room

Mr Trump said on Howard Stern’s radio show in 2005 that he could ‘get away’ with walking into the dressing room to ‘inspect’ beautiful women

www.independent.co.uk

Even trump pedo friend was in pakistan meeting pakistani army officers who took him to orphanage and mosques where kids were kept like they took zakir naik in a female orphanage.Pakistanis may have offered trump and his friends muslim sex slave kids.

what's your grandma's age when she got married?

 

[snakeeyes07]

View: https://x.com/elitepredatorss/status/1931030256887951540


Maybe Pakistan themselves will provide us an opportunity this year for more action by doing a pre-emptive strike, if they don't get relief from monsoon soon.

 

[jazzy_b]

TTP learning drone warfare before kashmiri militants should be their biggest threat.
Let them buy those expensive toys, it will take one well executed attack from BLA-TTP to turn their jets into burning corpses

 

[Tumba]

It does tell that pakis are being funded by IMF, WB, chongs only for weapons and they fear this rogue nation might collapse if not constantly fed. 40 J-35s alone will cost $4 billion+ including weapons and spares if the costs online are correct. This alone is 3-4% of their actual GDP, and 10% of annual tax collections.

Porks are the most loyal bioweapons of anglo saxons and the han, them being turned into a frankenstein proxy is not good for us. GoI needs to subsidise exports of offensive platforms to countries around south china sea.

Indian Air Force was a fool observing ROE ans not taking out enemy fighters visible on radar and directly going for terror camp hits.

Even if J35 comes porks cant change thr geography, IAF should directly start cleaning up PAF bases before attacking terror camps next time.

40 J35 cant match 400 /Pralay/Nirbhay coming at them same is true for anything porks have … every single target is with in range of our most lethal cruise missile.

Actual range of from day 1 was not 280 kms it was always 800 coming from P-800 …

IAF needs to get more Rafales
Add more air defence(Anti drone to Anti sat)
Increase production of , Pralay and Hypersonic quasi ballistic missiles