Operation Sindoor and Aftermath (73 Viewers)

[Hari Sud]

It was a failure... they missed the targets. There has been a lot of information on it from non Pakistani sources over the years.

OP Sindoor was however not . The IAF learnt as air forces do from the past.

Photography evidence of that era show a gapping hole in the building where missile entered, hence Balakote attack was successful.

 

[Azaad]

There are three possible responses Modi & Co. can pursue in the event of a terrorist attack:

1. They can bomb some irrelevant or symbolic structures and claim victory-> the kind of hollow theatrics that only fool the gullible jaahils, not a politically aware Indian public.

2. They can target terrorist training camps-> a tactic that might offer short-term optics, but is strategically futile. These camps are easily reconstituted, fueled by an endless supply of jihadis, and it merely becomes a waiting game until the next attack.

3. They can strike at core Pakistani military assets->the actual puppeteers behind cross-border terrorism. This approach directly raises the cost for Rawalpindi, forcing the Pakistani military to think twice before enabling further attacks. Only this third option creates real deterrence.

Modi & Co. made a fundamental miscalculation- they THOUGHT they could achieve the fruits of Response-3 with Response-2 which is obviously false.

There's no miscalculation or if there's any it's at your end . I think @ezsasa did a stellar job some time back detailing this particular government's approach to dealing with terrorist attacks emanating from Paxtan right since 2014 .

It went from ignoring these attacks in the larger interests of peace to offering joint investigations after Pathankot to shallow surgical strikes across the LoC after Uri to air strikes on terorist infrastructure in PoJ&K & KPK ( 4 sites were targeted with only what happened in Balakot dominating our thoughts till date whereas the others are forgotten ) which is in mainland Paxtan to whatever we've witnessed in Operation Sindoor.

Every such act by Paxtan has seen incremental escalation. What most people haven't noticed here or realised is while every Tom Dick & Harry in Paxtan was threatening usage of NW at the drop of the hat earlier , this government has with every retaliatory action been probing Paxtani red lines repeatedly to the point where on Operation Sindoor being " suspended temporarily " Modi himself laid down the ground rules for the next round by declaring Fauji Foundation would be targeted in future for any terorist attack on India.

Hence if you were to carefully analyse the entire set of our responses since 2014 with the benefit of this knowledge you'd be able to trace an arc to where we've reached with Modi's final declaration of targeting Fauji Foundation themselves in future being the apogee .

Now whether you agree with this administration's policies in this matter is another topic of discussion altogether but they've exhibited remarkable consistency throughout , erring on the side of caution , navigating this like a thorough professional , for Paxtan & its response is only one part of the equation here whereas there are a whole lot of other interested actors & factors which go in to such calculations.

 

[Hari Sud]

Curious to know what was at Noor Khan base near Rawalpindi, and how did the missile entered the vent hole and destroyed the underground military set-up.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

 

[Oldworld]

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I amazed at Paki low IQ in these matters

Previously Chinese had successfully hacked into facility systems and stole design data.

Then made an exact copy of it CX-1

CX-1 Missile Systems

It is obvious they would tested this missile or at least simulated it against their own SAMs

Post the tests, Chinese have deployed S-400s at the India-China border instead of relying on HQ-9s or HQ-19s, clearly confirming that both HQ-9s and HQ-19s failed simulations or live tests.

Hanland has always known Han SAMs will fail against HQ-9s yet they keep fooling or ordering Pakis to buy them.

 

[Mr.Evil]

View: https://x.com/ThatArticleGuy/status/1939832572659556556

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1920053511770739082



Although this video is incomplete...

View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1920053353620308008





View: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1929770896304054701

 

[neelaslayer]

View: https://x.com/MukeshChau56064/status/1939661695196266636?t=GGXOErL320PkNBzcQv5IEw&s=19

Multiple Paf jets shot down inside pakistan during their chaddi Bunyan failed ops.


View: https://x.com/MukeshChau56064/status/1939913172775063994?t=MTPDqfb0R3UJE7oXapLbzw&s=19

 

[ezsasa]

prior to balakot strikes, how many other nuclear armed countries sent their fighter jets to bomb another nuclear armed country?

and how many times it has happened since balakot strikes, and who did it?

it is interesting that @Interested was willing to spend time on nitpicking nuances of efficacy of balakot strikes, but chose not to answer the larger question.

for the newbies, answer is India, India and India. ever since nukes came onto the scene, it has happened only thrice between two nuclear armed countries depending on how you count it.

1999 - Op safed sagar during kargil conflict
2019 - Balakot strikes
2025 - Op Sindoor

there is 1969- Ruso-china war, china went nuclear in 1964, but aircrafts were not used.

so a total of three instances, of which India-pak are involved in all three. that's how rare these type of ops are.

what this means is that there is no lessons to be learnt from other countries, what ever India-pak does is the rule book for this type of scenario.

 

[redpanda]

I amazed at Paki low IQ in these matters

Previously Chinese had successfully hacked into facility systems and stole design data.

Then made an exact copy of it CX-1

CX-1 Missile Systems

It is obvious they would tested this missile or at least simulated it against their own SAMs

Post the tests, Chinese have deployed S-400s at the India-China border instead of relying on HQ-9s or HQ-19s, clearly confirming that both HQ-9s and HQ-19s failed simulations or live tests.

Hanland has always known Han SAMs will fail against HQ-9s yet they keep fooling or ordering Pakis to buy them.

What if what Han got is very old data? Or dummy data? That's why they failed to simulate the real capabilities of .

 

[ezsasa]

There's no miscalculation or if there's any it's at your end . I think @ezsasa did a stellar job some time back detailing this particular government's approach to dealing with terrorist attacks emanating from Paxtan right since 2014 .

It went from ignoring these attacks in the larger interests of peace to offering joint investigations after Pathankot to shallow surgical strikes across the LoC after Uri to air strikes on terorist infrastructure in PoJ&K & KPK ( 4 sites were targeted with only what happened in Balakot dominating our thoughts till date whereas the others are forgotten ) which is in mainland Paxtan to whatever we've witnessed in Operation Sindoor.

Every such act by Paxtan has seen incremental escalation. What most people haven't noticed here or realised is while every Tom Dick & Harry in Paxtan was threatening usage of NW at the drop of the hat earlier , this government has with every retaliatory action been probing Paxtani red lines repeatedly to the point where on Operation Sindoor being " suspended temporarily " Modi himself laid down the ground rules for the next round by declaring Fauji Foundation would be targeted in future for any terorist attack on India.

Hence if you were to carefully analyse the entire set of our responses since 2014 with the benefit of this knowledge you'd be able to trace an arc to where we've reached with Modi's final declaration of targeting Fauji Foundation themselves in future being the apogee .

Now whether you agree with this administration's policies in this matter is another topic of discussion altogether but they've exhibited remarkable consistency throughout , erring on the side of caution , navigating this like a thorough professional , for Paxtan & its response is only one part of the equation here whereas there are a whole lot of other interested actors & factors which go in to such calculations.

yes, here's the updated table.

Government of India's response to terror attacks

Date	Attack	Details	Diplomatic Measures	Military Measures	Administrative Measures
Dec 13, 2001	Parliament Attack	Location: New Delhi Perpetrators: JeM, LeT 5 terrorists attacked Parliament, killed 9, injured 18.	- Recalled High Commissioner from Islamabad - Suspended diplomatic ties, bus/train services - Demanded ban on JeM/LeT, extradition of leaders - Secured U.S. terrorist designation for JeM/LeT	- Launched Operation Parakram, mobilizing 500,000 troops - Increased artillery exchanges along LoC	- Enacted POTA (2002) - Enhanced security at critical sites with CISF - Improved IB/RAW coordination
Nov 26–29, 2008	Mumbai Attacks (26/11)	Location: Mumbai Perpetrators: LeT 10 terrorists targeted hotels, railway station, Jewish center; 166 killed, 300+ injured.	- Suspended composite dialogue - Presented dossier to Pakistan, demanded LeT leaders’ handover - Secured UNSC terrorist designation for LeT - Engaged U.S./allies for pressure	- Heightened LoC/IB alertness - Strengthened coastal security (Navy/Coast Guard)	- Established NIA (2008) - Strengthened UAPA - Created NSG hubs - Overhauled coastal security - Launched Operation Black Tornado
Jan 2–5, 2016	Pathankot Airbase Attack	Location: Pathankot, Punjab Perpetrators: JeM 6 terrorists attacked IAF base, killed 7, injured 22.	- Shared evidence, demanded action against JeM - Suspended foreign secretary talks - Raised issue at UN - Secured U.S./allied condemnation	- Increased Punjab border patrolling - Strengthened airbase security	- Formed Baijal committee to review lapses - Upgraded border fencing, surveillance - Enhanced BSF/Punjab Police coordination - NIA investigation
Sep 18, 2016	Uri Attack	Location: Uri, J&K Perpetrators: JeM 4 terrorists attacked Army base, killed 19, injured 30.	- Boycotted SAARC summit - Shared evidence with UN/foreign governments - Revoked Pakistan’s MFN status (2019, post-Pulwama) - Pushed for JeM sanctions	- Conducted surgical strikes (Sep 29, 2016) on terror launchpads in PoK - Increased LoC artillery/counter-infiltration ops	- Strengthened LoC fencing, troop deployment - Enhanced Army/BSF/police intelligence - NIA probe - Modernized infantry equipment
Feb 14, 2019	Pulwama Attack	Location: Pulwama, J&K Perpetrators: JeM Suicide bomber hit CRPF convoy, killed 40, injured 35.	- Withdrew MFN status, imposed 200% duty - Pushed for FATF blacklist - Secured UNSC JeM condemnation, Azhar’s 2019 terrorist designation - Suspended talks	- Launched Balakot airstrike (Feb 26, 2019), hit JeM camp - Engaged in Feb 27 aerial skirmish - Deployed more LoC troops/artillery	- Allocated ₹100 crore for CRPF upgrades - Strengthened convoy security - Banned JeI under UAPA - NIA raids - Revoked separatist security - Revoked Article 370 (Aug 5, 2019), reorganizing J&K into Union Territories to enhance central control and counter terrorism
Apr 22, 2025	Pahalgam Attack	Location: Baisaran Valley, Pahalgam, J&K Perpetrators: TRF (LeT-linked)5 terrorists attacked tourists, killed 26 (mostly Hindu tourists), injured ~36.	- Condemned attack as “heinous massacre,” shared intelligence with UN/U.S./EU - Announced suspension of the Indus Water Treaty to pressure Pakistan to curb terrorism - Secured UNSC condemnation, pushed for TRF/LeT sanctions - Suspended all bilateral engagements with Pakistan - Gained U.S./EU/Singapore condemnation	- Launched Operation Sindoor, struck terror launchpads in PoK and Pakistan - Conducted targeted airstrikes on Pakistan air bases to deter further escalation​ - Deployed additional LoC troops in South Kashmir	- NIA arrested two facilitators (Parvaiz and Bashir Ahmad Jothar) - Strengthened security for J&K tourist sites - Provided ₹15 lakh compensation for victims’ families - Commenced review of engineering works to fully utilise Indus water rivers

 

[shade2]

There is a YouTube channel (Grim Reaper), which simulates such battles in DCS.

TLDR is you can overwhelm any static AD (S400/Patriot) or CBGs with enough missiles and assymetric tricks.

If I were Pakistan I would have been war-gaming sinking Vikrant since its keel-laying started.

They didn't bother in the same way Iran didn't bother to war game and prepare to shoot down Israeli F-35 and F-15 bombing Iran.

They don't expect the "kuffar Hindu baniya" to escalate that much, Modi meanwhile has been escalating with every response and inshallah Karachi will burn one day when GHQ bites off more than it can chew.

Already many threats are in public now as to what happens the "next time" from both Modi and even Rajnath.

 

[shade2]

it is interesting that @Interested was willing to spend time on nitpicking nuances of efficacy of balakot strikes, but chose not to answer the larger question.

for the newbies, answer is India, India and India. ever since nukes came onto the scene, it has happened only thrice between two nuclear armed countries depending on how you count it.

1999 - Op safed sagar during kargil conflict
2019 - Balakot strikes
2025 - Op Sindoor

there is 1969- Ruso-china war, china went nuclear in 1964, but aircrafts were not used.

so a total of three instances, of which India-pak are involved in all three. that's how rare these type of ops are.

what this means is that there is no lessons to be learnt from other countries, what ever India-pak does is the rule book for this type of scenario.

It's not the rule book because the other nuke powers aren't exposed to be paper tigers like Pakistan.

With each escalatory clap back Modi govt does, more of Paki's nuclear bluff salwar is torn.

This is full darr ke aage jeet hai, calling Paki's bluff over pretending to be madman and using nooks.

Their entire scheme is (((plausible deniability))) via jihadi attacks therefore India cannot/will not attack because gora shahib kya kahenge and "omghee they might use nooks", It worked in the past but not now.

Piglets use (tactical) nooks even on their own soil and you can be sure Uncle Sam will assume direct control of their stock afterwards.

 

[Knowitall]

View: https://x.com/aravind/status/1939892977217810553?s=46

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/aravind/status/1939892977217810553?s=46

There are two options if sabotage is found out.

1) Cover up, and say pilot error but respond in kind via Raw, hopefully a plane crashes in Pindi carrying Assim Pooneer, jurnails & or other family of their jurnails.

2) Op Sindoor 2 : Boogaloo this time with all PA,PAF,PN assets and GHQ Pindi on the receiving end.

I think option 1) will happen because option 2) needs a lot of commitment to wrestling with the pig till it is dead, i.e damage to ekanami, growth & industrialization.


But then as Leaderji has proved via Op Sindoor he has proved he can go against my cynical logic and against whatever his US shill ((( unelected professional ))) advisers may tell him, so option 2) is still possible.

If #2 is chosen lets hope we delete/degrade their PAF and PN capabilities atleast, all those machines are very expensive to replace

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

We need to also focus on plugging security gaps in Pahalgam and Sonamarg - the two base camps for Amarnath Yatra. Both were targeted. I read somewhere China style facial recognition is going to be used to track OGWs. That is a good step. But demographic change should be done now. No more excuses after Pak Army genocided Hindus.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

View: https://x.com/aravind/status/1939892977217810553?s=46

I doubt it was sabotage as prominent UK goras were on the plane. Ex-CM Rupani and several wealthy British Indians traveling in first class were killed. It could still be a sabotage by ground handling staff but if it is , it is more like from AI’s competitors.

 

[shade2]

I doubt it was sabotage as prominent UK goras were on the plane. Ex-CM Rupani and several wealthy British Indians traveling in first class were killed. It could still be a sabotage by ground handling staff but if it is , it is more like from AI’s competitors.

Many "canadian citizens" died in Kaniskh airlines bomb blast saar
Nobody gave a fuck including canadians.

26/11 happened with the blessings of the US and so is this with the dostana between Asim and Trump/DS

 

[Durin's Folk]

It was a failure... they missed the targets. There has been a lot of information on it from non Pakistani sources over the years.

OP Sindoor was however not . The IAF learnt as air forces do from the past.

What BS! It was never a failure. some did stray here and there but the objective was achieved. The satellite imagery showed 3-4 holes on the compounds.

 

[Ajatshatru]

It's not the rule book because the other nuke powers aren't exposed to be paper tigers like Pakistan.

With each escalatory clap back Modi govt does, more of Paki's nuclear bluff salwar is torn.

This is full darr ke aage jeet hai, calling Paki's bluff over pretending to be madman and using nooks.

Their entire scheme is (((plausible deniability))) via jihadi attacks therefore India cannot/will not attack because gora shahib kya kahenge and "omghee they might use nooks", It worked in the past but not now.

Piglets use (tactical) nooks even on their own soil and you can be sure Uncle Sam will assume direct control of their stock afterwards.

The nuclear deterrence of Pakistan or Iran cannot be compared to that of India, Russia, or China. In particular, Pakistan’s nuclear deterrence holds no value in the context of India. Pakistan shares a direct land border with India, and all of its nuclear installations—including command and control centers, airbases, and weapon storage facilities—are well within the strike range of the Indian military.

This means Pakistan’s ability to deter India with nuclear weapons is not there. Even without considering India’s air defense systems, the real question is whether Pakistan can successfully mobilize its nuclear warheads and launch vehicles under sustained Indian strikes. If India is targeting every inch of Pakistani territory, any attempt at nuclear mobilization could be neutralized before execution.

To counter this vulnerability, Pakistan developed tactical or battlefield nuclear weapons. However, many experts believe these weapons are unreliable, and there is speculation that they may not even be fully tested. may be nothing more than dirty bombs with radioactive material, rather than functional nuclear weapons.

If Bangladesh and Myanmar develop nuclear weapons, they might be able to deter each other. However, such deterrence would be ineffective against India—just as Pakistan’s nuclear deterrence is ineffective against India.