Operation Sindoor

[crazywithmath]

View: https://x.com/NicRobertsonCNN/status/1921198035012317255

Lmao. So after publishing all this rubbish over us losing a gazillion Rafales the gora mediawallahs come up with the natrative that it was actually the pakroaches who could not handle the 'provocations' from India and hence, wanted to engage with their 'friends' (ie, US, Saudi).

And yet, they make a grand show out of this ceasefire and pretends to be the victor? Just how shameless are these pigs?

 

[asaada]

Look, I am not a conspiracy theorist (in fact, I loathe them). But were our boys looking to hit their nuke dumps directly?

I mean, just look at it - our boys were scoring such a massive W. What gives?

Or did pak's nuke bluff work again? Notice how they did not even bother to approach them first - Vance dialed up Modi, directly and there is no readout available.

Why make such extensive theories when the entire situation can be easily explained by the fact that america doesn’t want India to destroy pakistan, since pakistan is a useful tool to counterbalance India. The urgency likely came from the realization that things were deteriorating quickly and a ground incursion by India was on the table. As for why Modi backed down, it was probably because they threatened heavy economic sanctions. They might have also offered a few incentives both economic and political in return for us if we decide to pussyfoot. If what you said were true, I don’t think pakis would have dared to break the ceasefire and attack us with drones and terrorists just after 2 hours of it being inked.

Still, I can’t wrap my head around the fact that, right after we declared any terrorist attack would be considered an act of war, we immediately buried all information about the Pakistani attack and acted as if nothing had happened.

 

[Aaj Ka Hero]

It's not about what we wanted it's what good for the nation and our future.

What we want is well know. You want everything to be over in three days is just your thinking, I knew since start that when first strike happened that this will end like this.
So, future is long and it's not over.

 

[BihariLala]

The ceasefire wont end on 12th May at 1200 hours

This is not a two days truce

What happens at 12PM? The Directors General of Military Operations will have another discussion on 12th May at 1200 hours

 

[Realism]

Bruh.

They attacked us post ceasefire and GoI themselves scrambled over to hide it.

They'll execute more of us and GoI will hide it like Reasi. This was very public otherwise GoI would have hidden it too-looking at how MEA ran to USA for ceasefire.

We've achieved a significant breakthrough, though it hasn't been officially announced yet. Our previous statements were deliberately couched in diplomatic terms. Now is the opportune moment to agree to a ceasefire and disengage. Prolonging this conflict will only lead to weariness and fear among the Indian populace; people in India will get tired and scared if this continues for a long time.

The red lines for nuclear use, as reported in various newspapers, were crossed. There's no point in destroying both our society and theirs. The moment their three airbases were severely hit, their existential crisis became apparent; they could have used nuclear weapons at any moment. For the sake of appearances, we cannot allow 1.65 billion people (in India and Pakistan at least) to perish.

Their losses are quite significant, and importantly, our goal of destroying terrorist infrastructure has been achieved. Just as America avoids a direct conflict with Russia to prevent nuclear retaliation, Pakistan is currently under extreme pressure. By initiating talks, we can maintain sufficient diplomatic relations to ensure nuclear war is avoided.

In terms of both public perception and actual outcomes, this government has performed better. However, we cannot risk nuclear war simply for the sake of optics or in response to a terrorist attack.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

we hv to consider that people hv two type of approach to handle situation:- offensive nd defensive. both hv their fair points. let people get frustrated or relaxed with this de escalation.
personally i hv some thoughts about this whole operation.

pros :-
1- outstanding offence nd defense by our 3 forces.
2:- raising escalation under nuclear war danger.
3:- successfull loitering munitions, sams, anti drone system nd air defence guns role.
4:- entering our su 30 mki in enemy airspace to attack 3 porkistani air base. specially when it is consider sitting duck by Pakistani due to its huge RCS.
5:- 3 air base attacks.
6:- indus water treaty nullification.

cons :-
1:- not a good time to de escalate, when we hv upper hand. our enemy hv no defence nd offence capabilities.
2:- we again did bad in narrative wars.
3:- atleast we should used half of our loitering munitions nd small drones in 3 nights for more distruction.
4:- no enemy aircrafts down....so we leave pakistani to satisfy with their air force. we should destroy their "fake pride" of air force.
gudnyt guys.

 

[Interested]

No. It had nothing to do with nukes. The objective of the operation was to deliver punitive strikes on Pakistan and let them know that we did not wish to escalate. This is what we did. If Pakistan had not escalated, we would have stopped after hitting 9 terrorist camps.

Exactly .

And imagine being a Pakistani in any of their big cities , Islamabad , Lahore , Karachi , Peshawar , Rawalpindi ,,, you heard air sirens for 3 days and Indian drones and missiles flying above and dropping on you at will.

In comparison , how many Indians even saw a drone ?

 

[Prasad]

Anyway, forget it. A genuine thank you to armed forces of India.

You stepped on the Paki's throats. It is our misfortune we don't have the political will to let you finish the job.

To the government of India, all these Hindu deaths you threw under the bus for youe deescalation, the deepest narak waits for your kind. The babus who caused this, I hope you find a fate that's a thousand times more painful than they felt.

remember our bet buddy?

I said, we will do more than Balakot and it will be visible. I also said it won't be war.
remember how you agreed that you would be happy if it is more than Balakot and very visible?
Do you think what happened in last few days achieved that?

we all want more, heck, a lot more.
but we all know this was not the incident we would go to war with Pakis on.
It is always incremental, unfortunately that's how it is.

Did Modi meet the expectations we had for retaliation? Did the forces deliver?
Those are the two questions we should be asking ourselves.

 

[crazywithmath]

Why make such extensive theories when the entire situation can be easily explained by the fact that america doesn’t want India to destroy pakistan, since pakistan is a useful tool to counterbalance India. The urgency likely came from the realization that things were deteriorating quickly and a ground incursion by India was on the table. As for why Modi backed down, it was probably because they threatened heavy economic sanctions. They might have also offered a few incentives both economic and political in return for us if we decide to pussyfoot. If what you said were true, I don’t think pakis would have dared to break the ceasefire and attack us with drones and terrorists just after 2 hours of it being inked.

Still, I can’t wrap my head around the fact that, right after we declared any terrorist attack would be considered an act of war, we immediately buried all information about the Pakistani attack and acted as if nothing had happened.

Look, this is not pakiland. If there are casualties from a 'terror attack' they will have to disclose it. So things will get clear in the coming days.

Coming to the supposed theory, I based it on the 'alarming intel' they mentioned on that CNN article.

 

[deltamendota]

1. Dear leaderji chickened out from a broader conflict. We as defence jingos are okay with a broader fight, but sad to say that the political and bureaucratic leadership just have no apetite for this..

If you wanted a summary of the current state of this forum , oh my look at this tough guy , sir how are you going to fight broader fight .? by furiously tweeting from behind your laptop?

 

[Guynxdor]

Former Afgan Intel chief, Amrullah Saleh take:


View: https://x.com/amrullahsaleh2/status/1921314772848414972?s=46&t=s5Zjz3wgeVF4a5zNfD4EYA

 

[Muzh]

A genuine question.

We attacked a nuke storage site with conventional munitions. Most likely bunker buster or BrahMos and we hit the entrance of the bunker that the Pakis have built into the tunnel.

Meaning post the door breach all that explosive and kinetic energy has been transferred inside.

How tolerant are nukes of external shocks before they go up in sympathetic detonation.?

I see 2 possibilities.

1. There was a sympathetic detonation which kicked off a sizeable chain detonation inside the facility that has been cut into the mountains.

Problems with this argument are,
a. How big of a detonation does it have to be to create that earthquake we saw?
b. How can we confirm this? Or alternatively what will we see on the ground in the near,mid term and Long term future at this site if this has come to pass?

2. Because of the explosive shock and kinetic energy, some or atleast one warhead stored there has leaked radioactive material inside the storage facility and the entire facility is contaminated. The implications are massive as this would take out a large chunk of paki nukes with minimal risk to us .

All that money that pakis have invested into the nukes is gone just like that. It will be quite a large sum as nukes are crazy expensive to build and maintain.

I am not saying this is what happened. This is just my speculation based on available information.

All if you please feel free to poke holes in this theory as the sudden entry of the yanks after some ' intelligence ' is really suspicious.

India has satellites that can detect nuclear radiation. However, I do not think, this type of information will be revealed to us common people. Apart from India, a number of other countries too have this technology. To be frank, I have been thinking about the earthquakes as well. I am not convinced they were earthquakes. One thing is for sure, we did hit their nuclear facilities.

 

[Sanglamorre]

remember our bet buddy?

I said, we will do more than Balakot and it will be visible. I also said it won't be war.
remember how you agreed that you would be happy if it is more than Balakot and very visible?
Do you think what happened in last few days achieved that?

we all want more, heck, a lot more.
but we all know this was not the incident we would go to war with Pakis on.
It is always incremental, unfortunately that's how it is.

Did Modi meet the expectations we had for retaliation? Did the forces deliver?
Those are the two questions we should be asking ourselves.

You're correct. The conditions outlined in our bet has been met.

I am curious though, what would you say might actually cause GoI to go to war with Pakistan for real?

 

[srev2004]

India accuses Pakistan of violating ceasefire, says it will respond

Tensions had been rising since an April attack on Indian-controlled Kashmir.

abcnews.go.com

 

[TringTringMonster]

Pakistan's bad time has just started.

Anyway it's linked with Afghanistan's rise and our control of the indus and the occasional slaps to pakis to remind them of their aukaat.

 

[Sickle_Cut]

One thing I fail to understand!

Via Trump why didn’t Modi request extradition of Masood Azhar and Hafiz Saeed, Syed Sallahuddin

Trump agreed to Rana extradition

Why not ?

Pak Army also feels them dispensible as they think “ PAFF, TRF” are new organization


Laskar is defunct - as per some pakis

 

[crazywithmath]

A foreigner has to showcase the Ws for us


View: https://x.com/AmrullahSaleh2/status/1921314772848414972

To be perfectly honest tho, gora mediawallahs are willing to let us have the final W in their coverage. Almost everyone (CNN, Sky et al) is saying that India's magnanimity brought an end to it because our boys had the upper hand and could have easily continued to pound them. Seems to me Uncle Sam is letting GoI hold this narrative in gora media.

But I seriously do not get the bhosdapillars, the best folks here expected was a Balakot 2.0

I did not even expect Ji to up the ante and voted 'no escalation' on the Pahelgam thread (yeah, I have no shame admitting that). But what we witnessed was phenomenal, the videos we have of our drone/missile strikes are enough to give them generational trauma. We hit terror camps, all their major cities, air bases, ADS batteries at will while roaches trended 'Allah Rahem Karey' on social media.

And we did it with pinpoint accuracy. They could not intercept jack.

It is a W only.

 

[Prasad]

To the pessimists, hold on to your tits.

This is not the end of this story. The recent attacks were not even the beginning.
The beginning the way I see it is Pathankot.
Every attack after that had seen India impose more and more costs on Pakis.

This time the cost we imposed on Pakis was very visible.

The reason I say the story does not end here is simply because Pakis will always scratch that itch. They can't help it. They have to scratch it.

You may all think we should have gone into Paki land and occcupied them but that was never an option in this round.
As sad as it sounds, we will always be in a defensive-offensive posture, meaning we will always justify to the world of any attacks we do. Th threshold for complete offense was not crossed this round.

This is a ceasefire & our position now is any terror attack on India is an act of war.

 

[Prasad]

You're correct. The conditions outlined in our bet has been met.

I am curious though, what would you say might actually cause GoI to go to war with Pakistan for real?

I would say 2-3 more terror attacks similar to the last one.
That would make a case for India to go after Pakis.

Even that one, we would just pound them, probably occupy very select bits of land, try and split balochistan, that's it.

There is no scenario where India will every occupy their towns and cities.
We will pound them to dust than occupy them.

 

[maximus777]

You don't get a fusion reaction by bombing a nuke even head on .

Maybe our strike buried a significant portion of their nukes. The jazba junnon duffers threw in the towel and maybe decided to strike with whatever they have left turning the subcontinent into radioactive sh.thole (arguably better than sharia sh.thole). This is the only plausible explanation aside from Indian govt developing sudden cold feet which is unlikely since we were pummeling Pak.

Also I think India's defense and offense worked so spectacularly well that it went far beyond our expectations. The much maligned DRDO delivered some serious state of art sh.t which worked brilliantly under battle conditions. Sometimes people don't know how to handle success and take the home advantage! It took BJP 2 terms to finally behave like they are not in opposition!!