Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

[Sanglamorre]

Exactly.
That's why I said na, One Nation, One Jacket.
If you have been shot, shame on you.

Yeah, people at one point were also like why didn't the citizens snatch guns, try to fight etc.

Alarming how many "new member" accounts popping up rationalising govt inaction and praising Modi instead. Wonder if GoI/BJP is astroturfing this forum.

 

[ezsasa]

I don't understand why we have this nakra of CCS meetings. What if the cabinet(secratrait) is attacked next day where meetings are held?...Lol....things can be done quickly informally with secrecy.
Element of surprise is gone at that point.

so in your worldview, the way to read a national security event aftermath is to imagine a random benchmark and start wondering why the world is not adhering to your imaginary benchmark. is that it?

 

[karn]

Don't abuse me guys but I have one more point to add.

Maybe like maybe our retaliation is being pushed a bit due to hange in commander of northern command as new one will need a bit time to take the charge completely?


View: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1917276178311692309?t=zRYiqyabPxXPro12I_vT3w&s=19

Add this to prepare stocks .. If you'll only knew the the glacial speed of army baboodom you would cry.
And cold start does not exist ... it was there for seminars and other chai biskoot sessions.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

@Prasad
Sir with due to regard to your partisan outlook in favour of BJP ,and with cognizance of various national and international vagaries being faced by the Prime minister, I think it can be said without doubt that India's response or kinetic response has been and will once again be muted .
I understand that abeyance ( not abrogation) of Indus water treaty and the Prime minister's strategic over sight to built various dams on the river system is commendable but it lacks any immediate impact which is visible to the public .
The Prime minister has deferred the responsibility for a retaliation to the Armed forces apparently giving them a " proverbial free hand " but they have been given a free hand numerous times by now .
It's well understood that unless the Pm desires a war , it shall not come to pass .
Which is wholly regrettable.
I still have for my part have not abandoned a hope for even a limited kinetic strike on the enemy , if not a full scale war , but now that possibility too looks far fetched .
Regards ,a two time BJP voter .

 

[Yt2211]

well we use RPO-A 'Bumblebee' which is thermobaric rocket, also single use, but that kind of ammo is more towards anti-personnel and lightweight armoured things than tanks

then wikipedia says we use some israeli B-300 rocket launcher, but i have never seen any pic on our side, just mentions

this order for AT-4 happened around 2022 times, and SAAB is suggesting deliveries were completed this year just recently hhmm...so it may not exactly be emergency purchase but the deliveries were priorised

AFAIK Wasn't para sf already using at 4?

Correct me if i am wrong.

 

[Numero]

Right, so what's the acceptable loss to the GoI? How many people can terrorists/pakistan safely kill before GoI retaliates? Or, who do they get to safely kill? Is it because everyday citizens were killed that GoI isn't responding?

Do Indians have to weigh the value of their life versus gdp everytime, everyday and pray the terrorists wouldn't find them? Because by that logic, lots of money is spent in security. If you can just use taxpayers to soak up bullets, no more forces needed, so you can use that money for economy.

There are 20 times of that die inside India by the Mullahs. Not kidding.
As I've already said before, solve your internal issues first then think about war. During a war all Mullahs will side with them as well, will result several inner conflicts with Hindus.
India can handle Pakistan easily but we're certainly not ready for 2 front war against Pakistan & China with our dwindling squadron numbers & limited weaponry in our inventory. Let alone 2 front, it would be 3 front if you include Kanglus.
War strategists, PM's advisors account for these things & consider all the aftermaths. They don't go by emotions.
Half of the defence budget goes to paying salaries. For the size of the country & the sheer size of the border the actual weapon budget is puny.

 

[Prasad]

@Prasad
Sir with due to regard to your partisan outlook in favour of BJP ,and with cognizance of various national and international vagaries being faced by the Prime minister, I think it can be said without doubt that India's response or kinetic response has been and will once again be muted .
I understand that abeyance ( not abrogation) of Indus water treaty and the Prime minister's strategic over sight to built various dams on the river system is commendable but it lacks any immediate impact which is visible to the public .
The Prime minister has deferred the responsibility for a retaliation to the Armed forces apparently giving them a " proverbial free hand " but they have been given a free hand numerous times by now .
It's well understood that unless the Pm desires a war , it shall not come to pass .
Which is wholly regrettable.
I still have for my part have not abandoned a hope for even a limited kinetic strike on the enemy , if not a full scale war , but now that possibility too looks far fetched .
Regards ,a two time BJP voter .

I have no issues with people criticizing BJP.
God knows how many times I have done on this forum and the previous one.

What I won't stay silent on is abuse.

if someone abuses and expects complete silence and acceptance of their language, they are barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Jason Roy]

so in your worldview, the way to read a national security event aftermath is to imagine a random benchmark and start wondering why the world is not adhering to your imaginary benchmark. is that it?

Thats not a 'imaginary random benchmark'....that is very much doable.
Just after invasion of Ukraine and .....did you see countless number of formal Cabinet meetings in Ukraine.....No....you didn't .....you just saw the action.

 

[haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars keep calm we have already gone through the same period back in 2019, same kind of nervousness was shown by the members them and similar type of replies happened also back in before balakot, a military response may happen or not but does not mean that members should resort to pant shivering like what happened back then.

 

[notaname]

Pahalgam terror attack: EAM Jaishankar has now spoken to 9 non-permanent members of UNSC.

PS: 10 non permanent members of UNSC. One is Pakistan for a 2 year term at the body.


View: https://x.com/sidhant/status/1917826467238498399?t=pevEVbWXuqlfd0Xs62FrzQ&s=19

 

[Rango]

Comments from Paki forum:

Those Pakistanis who think active war was the only objective India wanted to punish Pakistan and they are taunting Indian member on this platform and on other social media platforms for the delayed military attack on Pakistan MUST keep in mind India has suspended IWT unilaterally which is an ACT OF WAR and it is still in suspension as per their official stance and and no one from international community (other then traditional allies of Pakistan) even World Bank who was the guarantor of IWT has issued any condemnation or even opposed the idea of suspension of IWT.

So in short India has won half of the targeted objective of it's strategy without even start of active war.

So defusion of the current tension without India officially back tracking the IWT suspension is an perpetual existential threat and strategic DEFEAT for Pakistan.

WE need to escalate the matter to the point either India revoke the suspension and give assurance to adherence to IWT unconditionally or accept dissolution of Pakistan.

Looking at India’s main stock exchange, NSE, it seems to have gone up by around 6% in the last week or so. It’s got a market capitalization of US$ 5 trillion, which means that it’s added up to US$ 300 billion in value.

Compare that to Pakistan’s main exchange, PSX, which has a measly value of US$ 51 billion which is only 1% of India’s and it’s been falling since the conflict started.

So, while Pakistanis are fixated on the border the country is already losing the economic war. The baniyas are making good money while we wait for them to attack.

 

[Prasad]

Yeah, people at one point were also like why didn't the citizens snatch guns, try to fight etc.

Alarming how many "new member" accounts popping up rationalising govt inaction and praising Modi instead. Wonder if GoI/BJP is astroturfing this forum.

govt has acted already and that action is still in the process.

Well, I guess the tick tock generation want's update on every step that is happening, otherwise, it's an inaction.

Ok, let's do this.
If Govt does not do any direct kinetic action, I will join you in abusing Modi.
but if govt does indeed take action, will the ones who abused Modi for inaction be sorry and say sorry?

How about it as a challenge?

Then we will know who is a true patriot and who is a dhongi?

 

[Sanglamorre]

There are 20 times of that die inside India by the Mullahs. Not kidding.
As I've already said before, solve your internal issues first then think about war. During a war all Mullahs will side with them as well, will result several inner conflicts with Hindus.
India can handle Pakistan easily but we're certainly not ready for 2 front war against Pakistan & China with our dwindling squadron numbers & limited weaponry in our inventory. Let alone 2 front, it would be 3 front if you include Kanglus.
War strategists, PM's advisors account for these things & consider all the aftermaths. They don't go by emotions.
Half of the defence budget goes to paying salaries. For the size of the country & the sheer size of the border the actual weapon budget is puny.

More people die of road accidents than by Muslims. Then why solve Muslim issue, is that the logic at play here?

Look, if execution of 28 of your citizens inside the country doesn't make you emotional and instead weigh their life against gdp and etc to take it as acceptable losses- maybe it's time to all what exactly is the thing being safeguarded?

If Modiji campaigns to get Hindus to become Muslims en masse, and turn India into a Muslim country, the attacks surely will stop. India will still remain a country. Is that option on the table of logic next? Is govt mandated kalima going to be taught in schools because surely it is cheaper than having an army and fighting?

 

[shade2]

After reading all arguments here and on SM I think the broad category of opinions is as such listing by severity of desired action.
1. The attack immediately gang.
2. The prepare stocks and attack gang.
3. Prepare for a winter campaign a la 1971.
4. China hawk gang .. China will take action so build up to counter said action and only then attack.
5. Dhandho gang.. We have a once in lifetime to truely become an industrialized nation if we play our cards right with unkil .. we can do to china what china did to the ussr. So lets not fuck it up by any war.

I think you'll will find yourselves on this spectrum . Incase I missed another POV do state it.

I'm in 2 i guess?
Don't care about the timing but it must be an overwhelming retaliation, visible and humiliating for the piggies, inlcluding grabbing some "daggers" and "bulges" wherever possible.
We fight their Swift Retreats to a standstill and then call unilateral ceasefire

 

[Magadha Naresh]

What I always don't like to hear is that " free hand has been given to armed forces " .
What does it mean
Case1: pm explicitly wishes for a response
Case 2: which is think is more likely is , do whatever you do .
And generals have been given the initiative to take or refuse to take any action.

 

[ezsasa]

Thats not a 'imaginary random benchmark'....that is very much doable.
Just after invasion of Ukraine and .....did you see countless number of formal Cabinet meetings in Ukraine.....No....you didn't .....you just saw the action.

yes they did, ukraine's NSDC was convened the day before and again within a few hours after russian troops entered ukraine's territory.

 

[Numero]

Now That's the plan I like.
Maulana modi won't do it tho.
Proxy attacks should have started days back if he intended.

Balochistan ki ma chod di. Taliban ko beta bana lia Aur kitna masterstroke chaiye. Sab hoga. Sabr kro

 

[Sanglamorre]

govt has acted already and that action is still in the process.

Well, I guess the tick tock generation want's update on every step that is happening, otherwise, it's an inaction.

Ok, let's do this.
If Govt does not do any direct kinetic action, I will join you in abusing Modi.
but if govt does indeed take action, will the ones who abused Modi for inaction be sorry and say sorry?

How about it as a challenge?

Then we will know who is a true patriot and who is a dhongi?

I have already made such agreements with some here. With you specifically, I'm wary because you call anything by BJP a masterstroke.

If there's a flood tomorrow you might say water moves so it's kinetic, and GoI put abeyance of IWT so kinetic action taken.

Or some Baloch blows up something and you credit the BJP.

Or CFV is answered and you'll say look guns have been fired= kinetic action done. I notice you didn't put a time frame so you can attribute kinetic action to BJP at any time in future.

Plug the gaps, then I'll agree.

 

[Jason Roy]

yes they did, ukraine's NSDC was convened the day before and again within a few hours after russian troops entered ukraine's territory.

and then?

What else?

 

[MasterChief]

govt has acted already and that action is still in the process.

Well, I guess the tick tock generation want's update on every step that is happening, otherwise, it's an inaction.

Ok, let's do this.
If Govt does not do any direct kinetic action, I will join you in abusing Modi.
but if govt does indeed take action, will the ones who abused Modi for inaction be sorry and say sorry?

How about it as a challenge?

Then we will know who is a true patriot and who is a dhongi?

If Modi is serious it would not be like 2016 or 2019.. which didn't extract a cost from Pakistan Army.. Yes, it did create psychological deterrence for some years..

I want retaliation to be sustained and all encompassing.. which will be damaging to Pakistan.. Suspension of IWT points to that..

1. No need of any flashy missile attacks right now..
2. Keep a high tempo of Army, Navy and Air force operations throughout the year.. so that Pakistan has to match..
3. Start artillery, drone strikes on Pakistan Army targets all across LOC.. It need not be overwhelming but must be continuous.. Permanently occupy a few posts here and there that gives us tactical advantage.. No need to publicize it..
4. Use this to ramp up artillery and ammo production, and clear big ticket AD purchases..
5. Start work on IWT diversion, with diversion amount directly proportional to Pakistan terror attacks.. Use the diversion infrastructure like a tap, to punish Pakistan for bad behaviour..

Etc..etc..

The key is Pakistan has to bled dry economically and militarily, while not slipping into full blown conflict, unless Pakistan itself initiates it...