Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

Well nothing better than taking POK few strategy points.It will be more than 400 sqkm of strategy location.How you can do is using superior firepower ,open the front 5 places with no boots on ground but using IBG and strike crops to carv out area of interest. Well not a good option to strike launchpads now as they already vacated and further pushed into pakistan.
POK is untakable without total destruction of Pakistan.
The Indian services know this.
Not because we think Pakis will fight to the bitter end to keep PoK because they are just that patriotic.
But because of geography :
PoK is UNTAKABLE from the northern front. The kargil-batalik range is basically offshoot of the massive Nanga Parbat massif and acts as a barrier shield to PoK from Indian Kashmir. This is why Hunza & Baltistan formed a different culture group from Ladakhis and Kashmiris in the first place.
So to take PoK, you **MUST** swing through the Muzaffarabad-Abbottabad-Battagram corridor of 'azad kashmir' and use the Allai valley corridor to enter PoK north of the Nanga parbat massif.

And this means, you have to take Abbottabad, which is where every Paki military officer training facility is and you come within 40 km of downtown Islamabad itself with this route.

Ie, taking PoK = pakistan fights to the bitter end coz taking PoK means we must destroy the entire infrastructure of PakMil training establishments at Abbottabad.
 
For what it's worth , GoI still hasn't implicated Paxtan nor have the terrorists claimed responsibility like in Pulwama . I know it's early days yet & not even 24 hrs from the incident but before we jump the gun , let's hear what the GoI has to say .

To that extent the GoI's hands are tied . No amount of intensifying covert support to the TTP or the Balochi Sarmachars or any amount of namaloom afraad strikes are going to cut it as retribution ought to be seen & be bloodier than what we've experienced.

Hence we'd see action. My only apprehension is we don't get sucked into a longer exchange than is necessary for a few reasons -

- Our primary enemy is still China & we're no where near building up our military power to take them on ~ 2030.

- the more we're distracted with Paxtan the more our modernisation / upgradation attempts get delayed.

- the state of the world economy being what it is , the more time we expend on extracting retribution the bigger the cost to the economy.

- The same guys yelling revenge here won't like it so much when costs of living goes up phenomenonaly or a short sharp war results in taxation rates being escalated.

- finally ,the same situation exists today vis a vis the IAF as we faced during Pulwama 2019 except for induction of 2 squadrons of Rafale. Not that the IA is good shape.

- we can't target civilians nor will we target Fauji Foundation nor should we as I'd explain. Paxtan is sinking ,no two opinions about it .

- Our getting into a short sharp war will no doubt accelerate that sinking but will do more damage to our economy & armed forces especially if we're due to go up against China later this decade.

- The analogy is the same as China getting into a war with India which spins beyond control thus affecting if not ruining their prospects of taking Taiwan which is their true objective & top most priority.

- there's a time for war & there's a time for peace , there's also a time for something in between. Today's not the time for war with Paxtan not till we've settled with China one way or another.

- Had the Chinese factor not hung over our heads like a sword , I'd have advocated we go hammer & tongs at Fauji Foundation including targeting their top brass.

- hence let Paxtan sink & take Fauji Foundation along with it . We shouldn't do anything to interrupt this flow. Take whatever action we think is necessary without getting sucked into a wider war & then back off.

- sometimes discretion is the better part of valour . Let's recognise the importance of this aphorism , take proportionate or rather disproportionately proportional response & be done with it. We've bigger fish to fry while we can watch the boat called Paxtan sinking.
I completely shares your sentiment. They are sinking ship and are trying to gain and prop up legitimacy by requesting India into a war.

I think a short war is very likely if we give them a spectacular display. They are craving for it. We don't need to do that.

What i think we should do is help them in sinking and accelerate their sinking by putting a drag weight on them. My proposal is to do what pakistanis do regularly. That is break ceasefire. We should pummel them with artillery. We should open different fronts and rotate between them. Our shelling should be everyday and year around. In between we throw some two or three stray short range missiles. Also, we should also creep our boundaries forward.

A long low intensity shell barrage favors us. It limits the hostile actors response too. Let us cook these frogs slowly.
 
56 in the slog overs finds himself in quicksand. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. He might relunctantly ask a flying coffin driver to lob a shiny bumb on an abandoned garage/shed in the middle of nowhere and return without crashing himself or staying back for tea.
 
I completely shares your sentiment. They are sinking ship and are trying to gain and prop up legitimacy by requesting India into a war.

I think a short war is very likely if we give them a spectacular display. They are craving for it. We don't need to do that.

What i think we should do is help them in sinking and accelerate their sinking by putting a drag weight on them. My proposal is to do what pakistanis do regularly. That is break ceasefire. We should pummel them with artillery. We should open different fronts and rotate between them. Our shelling should be everyday and year around. In between we throw some two or three stray short range missiles. Also, we should also creep our boundaries forward.

A long low intensity shell barrage favors us. It limits the hostile actors response too. Let us cook these frogs slowly.
Also Lahore needs to be captured and fumigated
 
POK is untakable without total destruction of Pakistan.
The Indian services know this.
Not because we think Pakis will fight to the bitter end to keep PoK because they are just that patriotic.
But because of geography :
PoK is UNTAKABLE from the northern front. The kargil-batalik range is basically offshoot of the massive Nanga Parbat massif and acts as a barrier shield to PoK from Indian Kashmir. This is why Hunza & Baltistan formed a different culture group from Ladakhis and Kashmiris in the first place.
So to take PoK, you **MUST** swing through the Muzaffarabad-Abbottabad-Battagram corridor of 'azad kashmir' and use the Allai valley corridor to enter PoK north of the Nanga parbat massif.

And this means, you have to take Abbottabad, which is where every Paki military officer training facility is and you come within 40 km of downtown Islamabad itself with this route.

Ie, taking PoK = pakistan fights to the bitter end coz taking PoK means we must destroy the entire infrastructure of PakMil training establishments at Abbottabad.
Then we shall do just that
 
It's high altitude, shitty snow and mountains if you're talking about Gilgit-Baltistan POK
The other PoK, Muzzafarabad wala is like the jammu jungles afaik and it is filled with Mirpuri """"""civilians""""".

Better we conserve the lives of the boys and the equipment for the Chong.

Piglets should be punished every 5 years lest they forget their aukaat, but the Day of Reckoning should only arrive once we've fixed the Chinese problem.

When we go after then we must have the luxury of uninterrupted quality time <3
I'd argue the best time we can finish off the porkis for good is when we'll have to go to war with their big daddy. Now is not the time to put strain on the boys. When it's all out war then we won't have to care about optics or anything else.


Also taking PoK is as good as taking worthless no man's land. Gilgi baltistan are much better for connectivity to central Asia. PoK is a nuclear wasteland by all means. Why would we ever want that place?
 
Then we shall do just that
Yep yep. I hope so too.
I just wanted to clarify this notion that we can do a 'look over there pakis---> quick take PoK back in a lightning mission' is nonsense.
You cannot do this, due to the whole Nanga Parbat massif to Siachen being a wall that *IS* the LoC. Cant maintain supply and logistic lines by doing 'reverse kargil' anymore than the Pakis could maintain logistics line in kargil conflict.

So any plan to take PoK == total destruction of Pakistan. that is operational expectation, not a lightning strike capture of mega-salami slicing.

Also, if you look at geography of northern Pakistan vis-a-vis with PoK, one thing becomes clear : we cannot hold PoK in a war, without holding all of the left bank of Indus river from haripur-topi axis in Kohistan region of pakistan. that is the ONLY outlet route for all of PoK - which we should really be calling the Hunza-baltitstan region, coz its not really kashmir in the first place anymore than Kumaoun is nepal.

Which means we must capture territory and hold territory begining 40km NORTH of Islamabad and extending 30km WEST of it. Which means capture and hold islamabad. which means, destroy pakistan totally.
THAT is what is operational requirement to get back PoK. No 'jhak maarke waapis lele, just jigraa chahiye' idea that is going around.
 
Yep yep. I hope so too.
I just wanted to clarify this notion that we can do a 'look over there pakis---> quick take PoK back in a lightning mission' is nonsense.
You cannot do this, due to the whole Nanga Parbat massif to Siachen being a wall that *IS* the LoC. Cant maintain supply and logistic lines by doing 'reverse kargil' anymore than the Pakis could maintain logistics line in kargil conflict.

So any plan to take PoK == total destruction of Pakistan. that is operational expectation, not a lightning strike capture of mega-salami slicing.

Also, if you look at geography of northern Pakistan vis-a-vis with PoK, one thing becomes clear : we cannot hold PoK in a war, without holding all of the left bank of Indus river from haripur-topi axis in Kohistan region of pakistan. that is the ONLY outlet route for all of PoK - which we should really be calling the Hunza-baltitstan region, coz its not really kashmir in the first place anymore than Kumaoun is nepal.
We need militants of our own
More brutal than those pigs
 

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