Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

[Ajatshatru]

Something is amiss this time. The noise and hula-hoopla is too much. You don't do military operation with so much overt, visible actions.

For example, overt provocative statements, high-intensity meetings, announcement of spectacular air excercises, moving of navy.

Feels like either a diversion or bluff. Hope its not the latter.

Cancelling the Indus Water Treaty is a diversionary tactic; the real action will be military. The political slogan of cancelling the treaty is to distract attention from the actual military response.

 

[trombone]

Something is amiss this time. The noise and hula-hoopla is too much. You don't do military operation with so much overt, visible actions.

For example, overt provocative statements, high-intensity meetings, announcement of spectacular air excercises, moving of navy.

Feels like either a diversion or bluff. Hope its not the latter.

56 did promise fireworks publicly. In English.


But it was in an election rally. So…..

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Another US air force C17 was inbound towards Jaipur.
What could it be?
Emergency supplies?

Guided 155mm ammo, Mark 54 torpedos, Harpoons, Hellfire ATGMs, 70mm rockets, Spike NLOS missiles, Radio sets, AN/SSQ-53G / AN/SSQ-62F / AN/SSQ-36 sonobuoys, GBU-39B LSDBs for the Reapers; Could be anything. Could be none of these. Could be far more sensitive stuff. Could even just be F404 engines.

 

[jor_se_bolo_pkmkb]

56 did promise fireworks publicly. In English.


But it was in an election rally. So…..

56 ji needs to address the nation. The news flash that he is about to address itself will cause many skipped heart beats

 

[Ajatshatru]

View: https://youtu.be/Imot_KW3yYY?si=mZX3PsDXQTShWci4

 

[Nutcracker]

Guided 155mm ammo, Mark 54 torpedos, Harpoons, Hellfire ATGMs, 70mm rockets, Spike NLOS missiles, Radio sets, AN/SSQ-53G / AN/SSQ-62F / AN/SSQ-36 sonobuoys, GBU-39B LSDBs for the Reapers; Could be anything. Could be none of these. Could be far more sensitive stuff. Could even just be F404 engines.

Only important thing we could get from US in urgent basis is P8i compatible armaments. Looks like Navy will be the primary wing this time. Understandable since they've lost one of theirs.
Maybe some mijjiles for Apache that's it.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Without diversion, closing gates will impact for few days and again return to normal.
Chenab variations can be attributed to this

Salal Dam gates opened to manage heavy water inflow into Jammu and Kashmir's Chenab river

Authorities opened the Salal hydroelectric power project dam gates to manage the increased water flow into the Chenab River due to continuous rains in Jammu and Kashmir's Reasi district. An alert has been issued by the district administration, advising residents to stay away from the riverbanks...

m.economictimes.com

Game should be to close gates and release all at once, repeatedly. The absence of a steady flow should impact crops enough. Now either they then build reservoirs on their end, needing further investment from pauperistan or they succumb to our whims.

 

[TringTringMonster]

56 ji needs to address the nation. The news flash that he is about to address itself will cause many skipped heart beats

Nah. No address. Just bomb the shit out of it. Have some junior Minister announce it. Or a babooze. while Supreme leader is busy inaugurating stuff no one gives a fuck about.

 

[jaijaganath]

Not even close to being true

Where is it being converted? And by whom? They haven’t even signed the agreement with Airbus for the project

Which airframe is it? The 6 procured for this purpose are all trackable on FR24, most have been parked up but a few are flying for IAF ‘VIP’ duties

These things aren’t coming before 2030

India has the same number of AEW today as in 2019 and it will be the same in 2030

Utter myopia and paralysis across the board

India's Push for Advanced Airborne Early-Warning and Control (AEW&C) Aircraft | India News - Times of India

India News: India is accelerating the development and induction of advanced indigenous airborne early-warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft to enhance surveillance and detection capabilities along the China and Pakistan borders. Learn more about India's efforts to bolster its aerial combat...

t.co

Even the DcPP has delivered first antenna array unit to adani as they are the lead integrator

Few years ago 5 were stationed at the base indicating 1 was undergoing changes
Last I heard the 1st aircraft was modified in airbus facility in France

 

[concard]

To add to what AIM has penned let me reiterate what I wrote yesterday. As long as the Chinese sword hangs over our heads our response to Paxtan will be muted or they should be.

To add to the conundrum , Leaderji has in his infinite wisdom gone in for incremental budgetary increases in terms of our defence budget.

Just a cursory look at the figures since 2019 or more appropriately since 2020 Galwan will bear me out . Now compare it to the amount we've been literally splurging on infrastructure creation & you'd know what I'm talking about.

Even if a tenth of that money were dedicated to CAPEX in defence procurement we'd have seen the difference which would've been marked. Result we're not in a much better shape than we were in 2019.

To add to that we've the armed forces especially the IA saddled with their own idiosyncracies as far as trialing weapons & platforms go as well as induction especially when we've crossed the hump here as far as indigenization goes with a lot on offer & a lot to procure , yet look at the sense of urgency .

I've also seen a number of comments on SM by well-informed & not so well informed people that Paxtan won't be deterred by one off strikes.

Read that with AIM's comments , our inability to do so for reasons listed above , the fact that we shouldn't given we're due to go up against China & the fact that as Paxtan keeps sinking the frequency of these outrages will simply increase.

So we've walking the thin edge of the wedge in terms of responding which will deter them temporarily for there's nothing permanent about Paxtan as long as Fauji Foundation is around & we can't do much about it as long as we've the China albatross around our neck.

This is the reason I've advocated we take disproportionately proportional reaction & call it off when we think we've reached the high point instead of getting sucked into a vortex.

Kinetic action across the LoC should be continued with & the momentum increased in order to tie a significant portion of Fauji Foundation such that the various rebel movements they're facing across the nation capitalise on this development to wreck havoc.

In the long term , apart from hitting them hard occasionally when they up the ante , our job will be to keep encouraging groups like the TTP , the Taliban in Afghanistan , the Balochi Sarmachars & other emerging groups providing them with adequate finances to help them prosecute their campaign more effectively.

Hopefully at least now Leaderji will be cognizant of the persistent lacunae in our preparations especially w.r.t procurements which handicaps our armed forces from prosecuting the kind of campaign they would've ideally wished to especially at times like this & more importantly do something about it.

Although I agree with you on some defense procurements. But this government has poured money into fixing key things like getting soldiers right armor, helmets, rifles etc. There are lot of other weapons inducted which I can go on. But big ticket items have sucked up lot of money. For example, after he came to power in 2014 he allocated shit loads of money to build SSBNs. Result, today we have become pro in building them with S2 and S3 construction finished. Now we are going for S4 and S5*. IAF Rafale purchase was a big ticket item. Navy is the biggest beneficiary of this government's attention. They recently got 30,000 crore to build 2 Nuclear attack submarines.

https://swarajyamag.com/defence/indian-navy-project-to-build-two-nuclear-submarines-cleared-heres-how-they-differ-from-arihant-class-boats

Yes, we will up against China soon. But it is time to test our men in this battle which will shape them for future battles to come. Chinese have never fought a war, we don't know how they will react if things go south to them. We have to act but as you said without getting into all out war which can go on for months like in Ukraine. Whatever action they are planning to take must be like blitzkrieg like I said previously in one of my posts.

• Using glide bombs to take out their positions from stand off distance within our territory.
• Assuming we are tracking every asset of their Navy including submarines then we can use our Navy to take out few of their ships.
• Missile attack on their forward bases, DHA, and Fauji scums factories.

There is only one caveat to all of this happening, it should be happening like a Blitzkrieg within 24 hours. Paki subhuman scum should have no time to respond. We have a favorable or should I say someone in White house who will be least bothered by what we do. If anything he will favor us since we have more leverage economically speaking than subhumans across the border.

 

[indus_markII]

View: https://x.com/ANI/status/1915685209522979284

Give me one good reason why these rodents are not picked up and put it in a black cell?

What is the need to interview these people. Media should stay away from operational areas or we will see Burkha Dutt-Kargil style fiascos again

 

[THESIS THORON]

has pak given the official statement regarding pulling out of Shimla agreement ?


View: https://x.com/TimesAlgebraIND/status/1915738534608064578

 

[MarDePopins]

View: https://x.com/News_Statistic/status/1915567089060110364?t=IE2QG1rKb7NkSHpPUo1S3w&s=19

 

[trombone]

This conversation is like a freaking tennis rally between Federer and Djokovic or something
Yes, a full fledged War is not in India's interest but it's a matter of cost and consequence here. Since 1947, India has already paid a massive cost to terrorism in terms of conventional military assets, civilian lives and infrastructure. Cumulatively, it is certainly more than the cost of a war to wipe out Pakistan, especially in today's geo political scenario. Because right now, the world is in too much of a turmoil to give a damn if India wipes the floor with the Pakis, something we have been stopped from doing time and again by the West. For the first time, in an impending military conflict between India and Pak, the rest of the world is unshakably with India. This is huge. Moreover, India has repeated the mistake of letting Pakistan survive every single time. For the first time, the mood in the government, opposition, defense organizations and the country at large is the complete annihilation of Pakistan unanimously. This too, is a first.
A few more factors to keep in mind. India doesn't rely on its domestic defence apparatus as of now but keep in mind, we do have the technical knowhow in the public and private sectors of India about almost every weapon system minus fighter aviation. That too, isn't too far behind full indigenous capabilities. India has the natural resources to churn out defense equipment at a war footing. So, in case of a war, India wouldn't be very dependent this time around on anyone else.
A War might not be in India's immediate interest but in the long term geopolitical interest of India in Asia, for the long term safety of Indians and Hindus, for a permanent solution to cross border insurgency, Pakistan's annihilation is paramount. Even the world understands that. Not a single communication from foreign allies of India has asked us to not escalate, which used to be the case every single time in the past.
Moreover, USA having lost interest in Afghanistan, and Russia too embroiled in Ukraine, the land mass of Pakistan will have only two claims on it. Indian and Taliban. This is the real problem that India will have to deal with. Is that after the Pakistani govt falls, we'll have to scramble to secure Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. If that falls in Taliban hands, the world could be plunged into Nuclear Armageddon.

But … kugleman’s exfart opinion is that murica has its own paki play to off jihadis it wants, so its still not blank cheque to dilli yet.

 

[silentassassin265]

Hope this leads to manufacturing boom in defence product and jarnail doesn't go through import run again

 

[Adibot]

Hope this leads to manufacturing boom in defence product and jarnail doesn't go through import run again

In 2019 I saw someone say the exact same thing

 

[mcpo117]

View: https://x.com/News_Statistic/status/1915567089060110364?t=IE2QG1rKb7NkSHpPUo1S3w&s=19

Kindly don't repost old news.

 

[vishmoon]

You don't play with Nuclear fissile material period. You do not know the consequences of it. Forget about the world what if it backfires on you? You know about Chernobyl nuclear accident? It happened in Ukraine in a city called Pripyat. However, nuclear radiation has affected even in some places in Belarus. This mind you is just the dust of the blown up reactor which went unstable. Your thinking is typical of Indian mentality like doing it is cheap. I don't want something to be in done in haste and forget about all the terror attacks and go to sleep and look forward to another one and repeat the cycle.

I want a solution which can choke them in the long term. The foundation of which should be laid today and we need to keep punching at it and destroy them slowly and gradually over a period of time. I have written lot of comments in the old forum IDF and on this forum too about their vulnerabilities right from their economy to their exploding population. Check them out. Don't write silly things about dumping Nuclear fissile material in the rivers. Even today the place where Bhopal gas tragedy took place is toxic. And that is just harmful chemicals not even Nuclear. And you want to play with Nuclear fissile material like a Kids toy? Come on, use your brains. Don't make me pessimistic about future generations of this country.

Water soluble waste doesn't cause anything else than pollute water and can be done just before LOC downstream. Its debatable but can be done by non state actors?

 

[vishmoon]

you are mad.
This is the equivalent of exploding a nuke inside your enemys house in person. he dies, so do you.
When you put radioactive contamination in ground-water, its game over for life wherever that groundwater goes. because every layer of life connected to that radioactive water- from bacterial to tree to animals- will be radioactive and thus suffer from genetic degradation, cancer, aplastic anemia, etc.

You dont screw around with radioactivity. you are better off with millions of tonnes of cyanide - trust me on this one.


The reason is simple - at atomic level, radioactive atoms = AK-47. firing bullets at every direction. These bullets are devastating at atomic level to rna molecular structures, particularly since many of these are weak covalent bonds.
When you come in FRONT of a bit of radioactive uranium for a short time, you pass in front of the gun, which fired bullets at you. yes, its thousands of bullets towards trillion to the power of million targets, so damage is minimal and you survive. stick around long enough, eat enough bullets and you die. Hence exposure limit.
Now, if you have even ONE atom of this uranium or heavy water inside you, now you have a bullet firing inside you- for anywhere between few years to forever of your life ( half life is tricky but thats the range of reality from half-life).
At single-cellular level, this is devastating for life the most, but all levels of life = screwed completely.

Radioactive poisoning is what you do, if you want to permanently kill life on earth.

But it goes downstream not upstream and need to be done just 0.5 km before LOC so doesn't affect our side no?

 

[Azaad]

View: https://twitter.com/vijaita/status/1915581027822809328?s=19


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