Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

concard said:
For Modi elections are 4 years away. I ask again, if our end goal is destroying their military assets can be achieved after 100 days, why not take that opportunity? It makes no sense to launch a mini war when they are already on high alert. Tire them out. Let them keep expecting an attack and lose interest and withdraw their frontline assets. Then you swoop in and give them a knock out blow. This will take a long time for them to retaliate. And with the onset of winter Chinese wouldn't think about any misadventure either.
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This was ok in 1971 with Indira, Manekshaw and a principled opposition with a relatively small "peaceful" population. Think about the mischief the opposition and 0.5 front could create if we were to wait 6-10 months. It's either now or we take it in the nuts and move on.
 
sameer said:
And you know the sad part...

It's not like we don't have the money. This year the IA/MOD returned 12500 crores from their budget because they (apparently) couldn't spend it.

www.indiatoday.in

Defence Ministry to return Rs 12,500 crore unused funds amid procurement delays

The Centre allocated Rs 6,81,210 crore for the defence budget for 2025-26, up from last year's outlay of Rs 6,21,940 crore. However, the Defence Ministry is expected to return Rs 12,500 crore from its 2024-25 budget due to delays in the procurement process.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in

I mean, Armasen Tactical Plate carriers cost ~4,000 INR. If we bought 5,00,000 pieces, then it costs 2,000 crores.

With plenty left for NVG's, Integrated knee pad trousers, ballistic helmets, camo paint, sights for battle rifles etc etc etc..

Just for half of that money returned, we could have modernized our SF and frontline troops and the remaining maybe use it on procuring artillery and heavy weaponry. These are all short term procurement stuff and should've been done easily.
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Some purchases made recently for the Army make some sense in this context :
  • December 2024 - 100 K9 Vajra 155/52 mm SPH
  • February 2025 - Pinaka munitions (extended range 45 km and area denial 37 mm)
  • March 2025 - 307 ATAGS 155/52 mm TGS
It seems that the brass has come around to he realisation that imported systems will not arrive. However this standoff should hopefully hammer in this fact.
 
concard said:
I don't think Porki scum will have the balls to push nuclear button. They know what happens if they do. I highly doubt they possess tactical nukes which needs to be extremely small to fit on a small rocket. US tried something like a artillery nuke test during cold war and they dropped that idea given the risks involved in handling such a small nuclear device. We need to call their nuclear bluff and do what need to be done.
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Govt certainly knows how many they've. We commoners can only assume. They possess significantly powerful MRBMs. Even their ground forces seem to be very efficient & decently equipped. Only time will tell what's gonna happen.
 
I think Pakistan has edge over India in terms of long range rocket artillery. Indian army does not possess enough self propelled howitzers, so as a result outdated towed howitzers will face high attrition due to counter battery fire. Even amateur have better understanding of warfare than corrupt Indian army generals.
 
Yt2211 said:
When did we induct Astra mk2
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AFAIK we did not, that thread is not really accurate.

I would classify our BVR capability into 3 tiers
1. Meteor on 36 Rafale (J-10C with PL-15 would be close comparison)
2. Astra Mk1 & updated R-77 on MKI/Mig-29 (and a few Tejas few if any) .F-16 Blk52 with AMRAAM-C would be in same tier, and Jf-17 with Pl-12 would be silightly lower)
3. MICA and Derby on M-2000 and most Tejas. Also R-27 versions taht probably still make up a big chunk of inventory for the MKI. Ideally these should be able to take up any PAF fighter except the Tier-1/2 ones.
 
concard said:
For Modi elections are 4 years away. I ask again, if our end goal is destroying their military assets can be achieved after 100 days, why not take that opportunity? It makes no sense to launch a mini war when they are already on high alert. Tire them out. Let them keep expecting an attack and lose interest and withdraw their frontline assets. Then you swoop in and give them a knock out blow. This will take a long time for them to retaliate. And with the onset of winter Chinese wouldn't think about any misadventure either.
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That would indeed be effective, and Indira did it, because the Bangladeshi refugee problem was a constant crisis. After 3-4 months, everyone would forget about this terrorist attack, and there would be pressure or incentive for the central government to pursue this incident anymore.
 
realsumo said:
The end goal is exactly political theatrics, and winning the elections. Let's be honest for a second. What is the government's role? To weaken our enemies and increase the stakes in our favour? The main goal of the government is to win next elections.

Modi won't take a political L. He would have to respond somehow, otherwise the opposition would use that against him. Now, we just have to see whether Modi responds just for theatrics or actually weakening the enemy.
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Accha...

BJP didn't need a "false flag" to decimate the opposition in Maharastra, Haryana & Delhi... but they need this for Bihar. 👏
 
Vinod Patter said:
I think Pakistan has edge over India in terms of long range rocket artillery. Indian army does not possess enough self propelled howitzers, so as a result outdated towed howitzers will face high attrition due to counter battery fire. Even amateur have better understanding of warfare than corrupt Indian army generals.
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Has been since Kargil days. Nearly 3 decades and it has not been addressed. Pussyfooting at best!! God forbid, if LAC heats up, I cant imagine the beating we 'll take. Previous govts have been imbeciles but our maha purush "sashakt bharat" wala seems to have done woeful ittle about it in 12 years!! Dont even get me started on MRFA. If not for Parrikar we wouldn't have those precious 36 Rafales either.
 
realsumo said:
The end goal is exactly political theatrics, and winning the elections. Let's be honest for a second. What is the government's role? To weaken our enemies and increase the stakes in our favour? The main goal of the government is to win next elections.

Modi won't take a political L. He would have to respond somehow, otherwise the opposition would use that against him. Now, we just have to see whether Modi responds just for theatrics or actually weakening the enemy.
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Man, can give this political thing some break? This is not a pork forum. Get out of this mentality. Modi don't do things to satisfy the opposition. Get over it.
Im very much disturbed by the comment like this from Indians at this moment. @haldilal plz do something.
 
Members should dive deep to analyse and also look at Pakistan’s recent acquisition of defence products, and compare it with our acquisitions, which are installed by geniuses. After committing resources to the China front, we are at complete parity with the Pakistan Army and Air Force, except for the Navy.
Members should check Pakistan’s army defence equipment and ours through open sources — you are not going to like what you see. Also, look at Google Maps: most Pakistan military bases (army or air force) are in close proximity to Indian borders, so the argument that Pakistan will be drained economically does not hold much weight. They can mobilise very easily.
Harvest time is also over, so there is no loss to agriculture. Also, look at Pakistan’s imports from abroad — they can easily be sustained through the Karakoram Highway. Moreover, Pakistan consumes 35% smuggled diesel petrol from Iran, so there is no urgent need for large fuel imports for their army.
The supply of ammunition can be sustained through the Karakoram Pass, which, by the way, has nearly 1.5 billion dollars in trade.
It’s a fucking trap laid by the Chinese and Pakistanis. Both have a long-term game plan: the Chinese do not want the global supply chain to shift, nor do they want peer neighbours as competitors. Pakistan stands to gain significantly — if they manage to land a serious blow on us, it will have a domino effect on the Muslim psyche in South Asia, tilting it towards Pakistan, among many other consequences.
Analyse deeply, members — it’s not a fucking video game. It’s a matter of prestige, life, economic damage, our aims toward China, and much more.
Pakistan doesn’t have the balls to mobilise troops without someone’s backing.
 
maximus777 said:
Has been since Kargil days. Nearly 3 decades and it has not been addressed. Pussyfooting at best!! God forbid, if LAC heats up, I cant imagine the beating we 'll take. Previous govts have been imbeciles but our maha purush "sashakt bharat" wala seems to have done woeful ittle about it in 12 years!! Dont even get me started on MRFA. If not for Parrikar we wouldn't have those precious 36 Rafales either.
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We are facing existential threat from 2.5 front war but unfortunately our leadership is only busy in Dalit,Shosit, Pichda, Alpsankhyak, Nari Shakti, Ladli behen Yojana, free ration type of politics. Nobody cares about national security.
 
concard said:
No other solid reason? Let's say we can completely wipe their military assets out after 100 days when we attack. Would we take that option or do we take the option of launching the attack earlier just because narrative will be lost and people would have moved on? The end goal is to wipe out or weaken our enemy massively. The goal here is not political theater.
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After 100 days won't do..
GOI will have lost both internal and international solidarity which is at its peak right now..
A huge Indian conventional strike in August would feel unwarranted..
 
Dhartiputra said:
Members should dive deep to analyse and also look at Pakistan’s recent acquisition of defence products, and compare it with our acquisitions, which are installed by geniuses. After committing resources to the China front, we are at complete parity with the Pakistan Army and Air Force, except for the Navy.
Members should check Pakistan’s army defence equipment and ours through open sources — you are not going to like what you see. Also, look at Google Maps: most Pakistan military bases (army or air force) are in close proximity to Indian borders, so the argument that Pakistan will be drained economically does not hold much weight. They can mobilise very easily.
Harvest time is also over, so there is no loss to agriculture. Also, look at Pakistan’s imports from abroad — they can easily be sustained through the Karakoram Highway. Moreover, Pakistan consumes 35% smuggled diesel petrol from Iran, so there is no urgent need for large fuel imports for their army.
The supply of ammunition can be sustained through the Karakoram Pass, which, by the way, has nearly 1.5 billion dollars in trade.
It’s a fucking trap laid by the Chinese and Pakistanis. Both have a long-term game plan: the Chinese do not want the global supply chain to shift, nor do they want peer neighbours as competitors. Pakistan stands to gain significantly — if they manage to land a serious blow on us, it will have a domino effect on the Muslim psyche in South Asia, tilting it towards Pakistan, among many other consequences.
Analyse deeply, members — it’s not a fucking video game. It’s a matter of prestige, life, economic damage, our aims toward China, and much more.
Pakistan doesn’t have the balls to mobilise troops without someone’s backing.
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Any supplies through the karakoram pass will be bombed.. India will damage the Karakoram highway irretrivably.. and constantly.. Karakoram highway is near to the loc..
 
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