Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

[Roshan]

Have seen a retired serviceman's video doing the rounds on WhatsApp which calls into question why none of the several able bodied men fought back, maybe some of you have also seen it. I am not going to go and check back on this thread if it's been commented on but he says out of all of them only the pony operator supposedly fought back and he wasn't even threatened, rest of them just meekly did what they were told to and even dropped their pants when asked to. Even someone who charged at the terrorists and went for their guns could've prevented many of these deaths. When facing assault rifles though, even 2 serving men couldn't do anything probably also because they were with family so I'm not sure if it's as easy as this gentleman is saying it was to show some fight and not co-operate in that situation. It takes more than training but a particular frame of mind/temperament to deal with such situations which most city dwelling Indians just don't/won't have due to a lack of need.

 

[Guynxdor]

View: https://x.com/adityarajkaul/status/1917058535772344659?s=46&t=s5Zjz3wgeVF4a5zNfD4EYA

 

[Roshan]

This is a bit a zero sum game with China at the moment. In geopolitics, you have to understand that the more powerful nation is always draws the most benefits from any bilateral agreement. If India can play it's cards right, we can actually manage to deal with China on equal grounds in the matter because China is at a disadvantage here.

I don't expect China to make any hawkish moves or sabre rattle until Trump-2 is done. They also have to deal with a more powerful enemy and a much bigger priority in Taiwan later. They will not jeopardise it for bhikaristan of all people.

 

[TringTringMonster]

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Anti terror ops? Or full blown incursion into Pakistan?

 

[Cheepek]

View: https://x.com/adityarajkaul/status/1917058535772344659?s=46&t=s5Zjz3wgeVF4a5zNfD4EYA

I guess terrorists have been found

 

[srev2004]

I guess terrorists have been found

Let's take them alive.

 

[JConline]

An suggestion with specific relevance to Pakistan.
As per many sources Pakistan's capital city Islamabad/Rawalpindi is approximately 310 km by road from the Indian Punjab border.

Since GHQ Rawalpindi is the ultimate command centre for directing major terrorist attacks on India, why not have some useful leverage over those twin cities Islamabad & Rawalpindi.

Should we develop a ultra long range MBRL(obviously a guided rocket) of range max 350km.An 8 or even 12 tube device. Having quite heavy warhead possibly 200 - 300 kg.

Without even crossing the border the Pakistan Army headquarters can be bombarded.

A question arises.
Why develop an ultra long range MBRL when we have ballistic missiles of sufficient range which can hit Rawalpindi.

Because the impact of 8 to 12 rockets/missiles striking Pakistan's GHQ simultaneously is much greater. I believe the ISI headquarters is also in Islamabad.

Will not an bombing of the Pakistan Army headquarters lower the morale of its military.

I agree that the suggestion is debatable and not everyone will feel that an MBRL which can reach Pakistan's capital city needs to be developed.

This sounds well.........stupid.
Why would you develop a weapon system whose primary drawback is that it's volley of payloads, launched at the same time will almost certainly give away its position to the enemy which is conventional army in this case. India already has MUCH better alternatives to that. For instance, SCALP missiles launched from Rafales would be less detectable, way more devastating and more accurate than any MBRL system in the market right now.
Now coming to the question of why we haven't acted upon this if we have the required arsenal. You have to understand that escalation has levels. In a conflict there is vertical escalation and horizontal escalation. In this conflict between nuclear armed nations, unchecked vertical escalation can cause nuclear war ffs! You can't just bomb the headquarters of a nuclear state and expect to get away with it, dude!
And please PLEASE keep in mind that for better or for worse, India is not the US. We don't hold the unequivocal right to be a global asshole. Our civilizational history is the basis for our very core values and Indians for one know how to fix things with finesse. And trust me, we as civilians know barely 1% of what tactical finesse is.

 

[silentassassin265]

An suggestion with specific relevance to Pakistan.
As per many sources Pakistan's capital city Islamabad/Rawalpindi is approximately 310 km by road from the Indian Punjab border.

Since GHQ Rawalpindi is the ultimate command centre for directing major terrorist attacks on India, why not have some useful leverage over those twin cities Islamabad & Rawalpindi.

Should we develop a ultra long range MBRL(obviously a guided rocket) of range max 350km.An 8 or even 12 tube device. Having quite heavy warhead possibly 200 - 300 kg.

Without even crossing the border the Pakistan Army headquarters can be bombarded.

A question arises.
Why develop an ultra long range MBRL when we have ballistic missiles of sufficient range which can hit Rawalpindi.

Because the impact of 8 to 12 rockets/missiles striking Pakistan's GHQ simultaneously is much greater. I believe the ISI headquarters is also in Islamabad.

Will not an bombing of the Pakistan Army headquarters lower the morale of its military.

I agree that the suggestion is debatable and not everyone will feel that an MBRL which can reach Pakistan's capital city needs to be developed.

Millitary headquarters are usually underground bunkers. If taking down a headquarter was so easy zelensky wouldn't be alive today

 

[srev2004]

What benefits do we get from capturing the terrorists alive?

1) Intel
2) Psy Ops
3) Handlers
4) Support Network

 

[srev2004]

We should use sleeping gas once we box them in. Knock them out and get them when they are unconscious

 

[Cheepek]

What benefits do we get from capturing the terrorists alive?

1) Intel
2) Psy Ops
3) Handlers
4) Support Network

Sanctions, FATF et al, even China's support will vanish if we obtain solid evidence

 

[Butter Chicken]

Modi is a big believer in dates and their significance. Kedarnath opens on 2nd May. Could be the day

 

[srev2004]

Sanctions, FATF et al, even China's support will vanish if we obtain solid evidence

Pakistani handlers will probably instruct them to kill themselves. That's why a knockout gas is best bet to capture alive

 

[Cheepek]

Pakistani handlers will probably instruct them to kill themselves. That's why a knockout gas is best bet to capture alive

Yes it's very very hard to catch them alive, let's see

 

[JConline]

Have seen a retired serviceman's video doing the rounds on WhatsApp which calls into question why none of the several able bodied men fought back, maybe some of you have also seen it. I am not going to go and check back on this thread if it's been commented on but he says out of all of them only the pony operator supposedly fought back and he wasn't even threatened, rest of them just meekly did what they were told to and even dropped their pants when asked to. Even someone who charged at the terrorists and went for their guns could've prevented many of these deaths. When facing assault rifles though, even 2 serving men couldn't do anything probably also because they were with family so I'm not sure if it's as easy as this gentleman is saying it was to show some fight and not co-operate in that situation. It takes more than training but a particular frame of mind/temperament to deal with such situations which most city dwelling Indians just don't/won't have due to a lack of need.

I've refrained from commenting on this, lest the collective wrath of my "Jai Ho!" type friends be upon me.
But the gentleman does have a point. Indians, especially Hindus have accepted their fate way too often for way too long. Sala, Gandhi aur ahimsa ka desh hai yeh maan liya, lekin Subhas Chandra Bose aur INA ka bhi toh desh hai!
I don't want to undermine the men who lost their lives in this heinous act, but us Hindus for ones, we
need to develop a sense of self preservation. The lack of this exact thing is why India has been subjected to so much over millenia. Recently, there was a Bollywood movie called "Kill". I don't know if people have watched it or know the context of using this movie as an example, but my point is that the Hindu man, however emotionally awake lacks the mental and physical faculties to fight for self preservation. We aspire to fight against evil and adharma but in our musings of philosophy, we seem to have lost the recipe for the physical fight. If we wanna make sure that the world changes it's opinion of our people, we as individuals have to change.

 

[haldilal]

 

[Simon Riley]

Let's take them alive.

As much as I want , we won't catch them alive they will most likely be killed.it is much easy to kill then to capture alive imo, especially when we are talking about ex sf mujahideen.

 

[JConline]

We should use sleeping gas once we box them in. Knock them out and get them when they are unconscious

Only possible if we manage to corner the terrorists in a confined space. There's no way to gas out a group of 6 guerilla ex-SF terrorists in open air forested terrain.

 

[srev2004]

As much as I want , we won't catch them alive they will most likely be killed.it is much easy to kill then to capture alive imo, especially when we are talking about ex sf mujahideen.

They have been on the run for 6 days, they are likely exhausted at the moment

 

[Sanglamorre]

Have seen a retired serviceman's video doing the rounds on WhatsApp which calls into question why none of the several able bodied men fought back, maybe some of you have also seen it. I am not going to go and check back on this thread if it's been commented on but he says out of all of them only the pony operator supposedly fought back and he wasn't even threatened, rest of them just meekly did what they were told to and even dropped their pants when asked to. Even someone who charged at the terrorists and went for their guns could've prevented many of these deaths. When facing assault rifles though, even 2 serving men couldn't do anything probably also because they were with family so I'm not sure if it's as easy as this gentleman is saying it was to show some fight and not co-operate in that situation. It takes more than training but a particular frame of mind/temperament to deal with such situations which most city dwelling Indians just don't/won't have due to a lack of need.

Hopefully it was a psyop and not an actual retired personnel who asked why didn't civilians without any combat training start their Hero arc.

Because all it would happen is you'd get shot by the second or third guy.