Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

[sumanm]

 

[Rango]

More people die of road accidents than by Muslims. Then why solve Muslim issue, is that the logic at play here?

Look, if execution of 28 of your citizens inside the country doesn't make you emotional and instead weigh their life against gdp and etc to take it as acceptable losses- maybe it's time to all what exactly is the thing being safeguarded?

If Modiji campaigns to get Hindus to become Muslims en masse, and turn India into a Muslim country, the attacks surely will stop. India will still remain a country. Is that option on the table of logic next? Is govt mandated kalima going to be taught in schools because surely it is cheaper than having an army and fighting?

I am pro taking some type of warlike action, but the GDP is a big deal too.

Pakistan's terrible economy has caused over 500 Pakis to drown in the Mediterranean in the past 3 years. India lost 0. Bangladesh likely lost over 100. Plus 1000s of Rohingyas in the nearby seas on their way to Malaysia and Australia.

Paki economic issues have caused them countless other problems, including: food, energy, medicine and electricity shortages; "brain" drain; riots in all states; a major collapse in morale; cricket disaster; constant global embarrassment at begging and not paying all kinds of dues etc ...

On an emotional level, we need to bomb them. Even though it will not prevent 30 murders in Kashmir each year by locals.

On an intellectual level, a further 10 percent collapse in the Paki economy and Indus water share is going to cause total havoc.

 

[Jason Roy]

If Modi is serious it would not be like 2016 or 2019.. which didn't extract a cost from Pakistan Army.. Yes, it did create psychological deterrence for some years..

I want retaliation to be sustained and all encompassing.. which will be damaging to Pakistan.. Suspension of IWT points to that..

1. No need of any flashy missile attacks right now..
2. Keep a high tempo of Army, Navy and Air force operations throughout the year.. so that Pakistan has to match..
3. Start artillery, drone strikes on Pakistan Army targets all across LOC.. It need not be overwhelming but must be continuous.. Permanently occupy a few posts here and there that gives us tactical advantage.. No need to publicize it..
4. Use this to ramp up artillery and ammo production, and clear big ticket AD purchases..
5. Start work on IWT diversion, with diversion amount directly proportional to Pakistan terror attacks.. Use the diversion infrastructure like a tap, to punish Pakistan for bad behaviour..

Etc..etc..

The key is Pakistan has to bled dry economically and militarily, while not slipping into full blown conflict, unless Pakistan itself initiates it...

I hope these Pakis become so desperate that they conduct a pre emptive strike that gives
casus belli to began an all out invasion.
They have mobilised....I don't think they would like to go back to zero at this point without doing anything.

 

[shade2]

What I always don't like to hear is that " free hand has been given to armed forces " .
What does it mean
Case1: pm explicitly wishes for a response
Case 2: which is think is more likely is , do whatever you do .
And generals have been given the initiative to take or refuse to take any action.

No.
It means any non-action or inadequate action or Ls taken during action( crows and trees, assume true, mustachio pilot in mig21 against f16 shot down ) can be blamed on the armed forces.

Which technically I don't mind, all members know my opinion of UN Marshalls and UN Generols.

 

[shade2]

If Modi is serious it would not be like 2016 or 2019.. which didn't extract a cost from Pakistan Army.. Yes, it did create psychological deterrence for some years..

I want retaliation to be sustained and all encompassing.. which will be damaging to Pakistan.. Suspension of IWT points to that..

1. No need of any flashy missile attacks right now..
2. Keep a high tempo of Army, Navy and Air force operations throughout the year.. so that Pakistan has to match..
3. Start artillery, drone strikes on Pakistan Army targets all across LOC.. It need not be overwhelming but must be continuous.. Permanently occupy a few posts here and there that gives us tactical advantage.. No need to publicize it..
4. Use this to ramp up artillery and ammo production, and clear big ticket AD purchases..
5. Start work on IWT diversion, with diversion amount directly proportional to Pakistan terror attacks.. Use the diversion infrastructure like a tap, to punish Pakistan for bad behaviour..

Etc..etc..

The key is Pakistan has to bled dry economically and militarily, while not slipping into full blown conflict, unless Pakistan itself initiates it...

Baaki ka sab theek hai, don't agree with this though, the Piglet jernails have a lack of greater than our dhotis so you won't see them initiating.

Therefore they won't get their just deserts, which is an overwhelming retaliation.

 

[Gurmeet]

This is all Chinese mischief. China's growth has slowed and it might never surpass USA as was expected.

In tariff wars, don't want India to become manufacturing hub. India grows for next 15 years and have manufacturing capabilities especially defense, China will face super formidable foe in India along with your USA, Japan, Australia etc near it's sea.

So want to bog India down. Pakistani generals don't give a f about casualties. China will keep them supplied and do indirect mischief on eastern front.

Rather don't strike directly, just do sabre rattling. We can also do proxy wars (and have).

Use BLA/TTP/unknown gunmen to strike. Maybe CPEC and Chinese citizens along with CIA aid. And dam etc stuff.

Thing is if India are super strong by 2040 (4 aircraft carriers, more submarines, 6th gen fighters etc) and the CPEC is not done India and USA can just do a naval blockade of oil etc.

That's why they killed Hindu civilians. That's why Pak are goading us.

How dare you suggest anything less than a war? How do you write something sensible as per you?

 

[ezsasa]

and then?

What else?

then they passed a vote in their parliament for general mobilisation against russian invasion.

mate, we were tracking ukraine invasion live in the old forum.

to cut our discussion short, i understand the temptation these kind of situations give that folks resort to "my brilliant idea uno card" against "your brilliant idea uno card" game. that's fine, but just keep in mind that in real world it's not as simplistic as our limited understanding of the world is.

 

[jaijaganath]

God knows why we have to do this formal Cabinet meetings nakra for security matters?....Things should have been done asap like just after the preliminary investigation on the pahalgam attack.
"Day after tomorrow...we will do a cabinet meeting and then decide". This is actually so so so stupid.
What if they attack the secretariat the next day where the cabinet meeting is held? They have attacked parliament before.
PM should have given a go ahead after initial consultation with all the ministries when he was in Saudi Arabia and immediately ask the generals to make a plan even before he arrives. Arriving in India quickly, he should just review the plan and give a go ahead immediately.....doable in 12 hours.
Element of surprise would have been there. We would have a edge.
Parallelly we could have gone for a full scale mobilization which is okay if it takes some time.

I am not here to support mudiji or any of that matter

But that would have been disastrous just like op swift retort
Immediate action will invite immediate reaction and we will be cursing every institute from pmo to IA to IAF to all organisation
Once you act then its difficult to go for 2nd time if its continuous then its fine but thats impossible coz mobilization takes time

Logically element of surprise works well for minimum damage strikes against non-state actors

And in this case we already had no element of surprise
Pakis mobilised their armour and weapons so fast u think it happened in matter of 5 days, they already knew the response and wargamed this scenario, so they acted fast

So small scale damage was never an option otherwise mudiji would have taken an easier route

 

[asl001]

Thats not a 'imaginary random benchmark'....that is very much doable.
Just after invasion of Ukraine and .....did you see countless number of formal Cabinet meetings in Ukraine.....No....you didn't .....you just saw the action.

Response towards invasion and response towards terrorist attack will not be same like the last time

 

[deathmonger]

I am pro taking some type of warlike action, but the GDP is a big deal too.

Pakistan's terrible economy has caused over 500 Pakis to drown in the Mediterranean in the past 3 years. India lost 0. Bangladesh likely lost over 100. Plus 1000s of Rohingyas in the nearby seas on their way to Malaysia and Australia.

Paki economic issues have caused them countless other problems, including: food, energy, medicine and electricity shortages; "brain" drain; riots in all states; a major collapse in morale; cricket disaster; constant global embarrassment at begging and not paying all kinds of dues etc ...

On an emotional level, we need to bomb them. Even though it will not prevent 30 murders in Kashmir each year by locals.

On an intellectual level, a further 10 percent collapse in the Paki economy and Indus water share is going to cause total havoc.

there should be attacks but via bla/ttp/unknown gunmen

Like usual

 

[shade2]

How dare you suggest anything less than a war? How do you write something sensible

Only thing "sensible" for IT celliyas and baniyas like yourself is the above.

Anyway you will get what you want in all likelihood that is inaction, your stocks wagera are safe, don't worry,
just that in the future you may have to recite the kalma and may have your pants pulled down before eating a bullet.

It won't be limited to Kashmir the next time, coming to a metro city near you.

 

[Miss Firing]

Jaishankar talks about punishing perpetrators and BACKERS.

That's what EAM said.

Rubio stated that both India & Pakistan have to work together to de-escalate the situation.

Same thing that we have been hearing all these decades.

In effect, although we could argue that their economy/internal affairs are in dire places, this rouge nuclear power terror sponsor will continue to do what they have always been doing.

The world wants us to placate Pakistan.

We are in no mood to do so. So such situation arises every now & then.

Unless & until US/EU/CCP are extremely weakened by wars/internal problems, i see very little we can do to have a final solution - Cessation, Rollback, Elimination of their nuclear weapons programs & subsequent balkanization.

Pakistan will be kept alive.

 

[shade2]

I am pro taking some type of warlike action, but the GDP is a big deal too.

Pakistan's terrible economy has caused over 500 Pakis to drown in the Mediterranean in the past 3 years. India lost 0. Bangladesh likely lost over 100. Plus 1000s of Rohingyas in the nearby seas on their way to Malaysia and Australia.

Paki economic issues have caused them countless other problems, including: food, energy, medicine and electricity shortages; "brain" drain; riots in all states; a major collapse in morale; cricket disaster; constant global embarrassment at begging and not paying all kinds of dues etc ...

On an emotional level, we need to bomb them. Even though it will not prevent 30 murders in Kashmir each year by locals.

On an intellectual level, a further 10 percent collapse in the Paki economy and Indus water share is going to cause total havoc.

Kanging about Paki's shite economy is like hoping a pig will die of disease by rolling in it's own shit and muck.

If you want that piglet dead you have to do it, it won't magically die

Pakistan will be kept alive.

Alive theek hai, they shouldn't be unmolested like they are now, Fauji Foundation needs some deep cuts and bruises from the Indian armed forces

 

[randombully]

Balochistan ki ma chod di. Taliban ko beta bana lia Aur kitna masterstroke chaiye. Sab hoga. Sabr kro

Kya fayda jab fir bhi civilans pe terror attack ho, aur kinematic action na liya jae phir se .

 

[concard]

People who want Government to pull the trigger should enlighten us how to deal with the Chinese? Are you going to allocate all resources to fight against Porkistan or only a fraction of it? What if we need lot of resources to fight or finish them off? What if Chinese take advantage of the situation and make a move in Ladakh, Siliguri corridor, and Arunachal Pradesh? Now we will be faced with multiple front war in all directions. What is your strategy to deal with such a situation?

We heard your "go take revenge now" calls. Now answer these questions. By the way, I too want massive retaliation for the whole world to see. But my brain is still intact to analyze situations which might arise after we fire the first shot. Only @Azaad @Ajayant Tripathi @haldilal @ezsasa @Karna @MasterChief and few others can see the implications after we take the first shot. I am not believing the bullshit that retaliation should be immediate, otherwise world will not support us if we retaliate after many weeks/months. I am seeing the big picture, I am more than happy if our attack is coming in September when the winter starts in Himalayas. Nature will take care of China factor.

What should we do until then you might ask? Get all our aircrafts in flying condition. Make sure there is no shortage of spare parts. We should be able to fly 3-4 sorties in a day. Jack up the production of Astra, Rudram missiles. Load up on our strategic fuel reserves. Get the production of weapons and ammunition rolling. Reconnaissance, Reconnaissance, Reconnaissance. Track every military asset and their logistics networks. Locate their fuel depots, ammunition factories, air bases and assign missiles which can take them out in the initial phases of the conflict. Given our strategic position we can dedicate our whole Navy to wipe them out.

Give our forces time to prepare and strategize. Don't forget cyber warfare until then. Hack into their systems and get all the info and STFU. Don't announce your bravado to the world to see. Worst case scenario if they want to press nuke button, make sure their nuke assets are taken out. I hope we have the location of all their nuclear assets. We must take territory this time period. If we are going to fight, at least let's fight properly with some preparation. Our men are not cannon fodder to expend for your entertainment of immediate revenge.

This war should totally cripple Porkistan and there should be at least 50 years peace at our Western border.

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

Those who have the memory of a goldfish won't remember...

It was last week of July 2019... 'India is going to do something' was in the air... im-the-dim visited white house... & trump said a lot of pleasing things to him... all pakis were dancing... still 12 days later 370 was no more.

 

[shade2]

People who want Government to pull the trigger should enlighten us how to deal with the Chinese? Are you going to allocate all resources to fight against Porkistan or only a fraction of it? What if we need lot of resources to fight or finish them off? What if Chinese take advantage of the situation and make a move in Ladakh, Siliguri corridor, and Arunachal Pradesh? Now we will be faced with multiple front war in all directions. What is your strategy to deal with such a situation?

We heard your "go take revenge now" calls. Now answer these questions. By the way, I too want massive retaliation for the whole world to see. But my brain is still intact to analyze situations which might arise after we fire the first shot. Only @Azaad @Ajayant Tripathi @haldilal @ezsasa @Karna @MasterChief and few others can see the implications after we take the first shot. I am not believing the bullshit that retaliation should be immediate, otherwise world will not support us if we retaliate after many weeks/months. I am seeing the big picture, I am more than happy if our attack is coming in September when the winter starts in Himalayas. Nature will take care of China factor.

What should we do until then you might ask? Get all our aircrafts in flying condition. Make sure there is no shortage of spare parts. We should be able to fly 3-4 sorties in a day. Jack up the production of Astra, Rudram missiles. Load up on our strategic fuel reserves. Get the production of weapons and ammunition rolling. Reconnaissance, Reconnaissance, Reconnaissance. Track every military asset and their logistics networks. Locate their fuel depots, ammunition factories, air bases and assign missiles which can take them out in the initial phases of the conflict. Given our strategic position we can dedicate our whole Navy to wipe them out.

Give our forces time to prepare and strategize. Don't forget cyber warfare until then. Hack into their systems and get all the info and STFU. Don't announce your bravado to the world to see. Worst case scenario if they want to press nuke button, make sure their nuke assets are taken out. I hope we have the location of all their nuclear assets. We must take territory this time period. If we are going to fight, at least let's fight properly with some preparation. Our men are not cannon fodder to expend for your entertainment of immediate revenge.

This war should totally cripple Porkistan and there should be at least 50 years peace at our Western border.

If you want to wait till September-October out of fear of the 10 foot chinaman then there is no point of "retaliating" to Bakistan, it's just a cope.

Any retaliation will only be to assuage public/supporter outrage, otherwise there is no reason to.

25 dead Indians are nothing in the ((( big picture ))) like the baniya and unpaid IT Celliyas correctly say, It is not something the Govt will burn the sacred ekanami over 4-5 months in the future

 

[Roshan]

View: https://youtu.be/9zxf0wFb314?si=g5v5e_3SC2SA-D45

She's at it again, last time libtards and seculars including all flavors of Trashmiris had a problem with her reporting faxx and showing the true face of the valley dweller during the elections.

 

[Gurmeet]

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Only thing "sensible" for IT celliyas and baniyas like yourself is the above.

Anyway you will get what you want in all likelihood that is inaction, your stocks wagera are safe, don't worry,
just that in the future you may have to recite the kalma and may have your pants pulled down before eating a bullet.

It won't be limited to Kashmir the next time, coming to a metro city near you.

OK sir sammaneksaw

Thank you

 

[Jason Roy]

People who want Government to pull the trigger should enlighten us how to deal with the Chinese? Are you going to allocate all resources to fight against Porkistan or only a fraction of it? What if we need lot of resources to fight or finish them off? What if Chinese take advantage of the situation and make a move in Ladakh, Siliguri corridor, and Arunachal Pradesh? Now we will be faced with multiple front war in all directions. What is your strategy to deal with such a situation?

We heard your "go take revenge now" calls. Now answer these questions. By the way, I too want massive retaliation for the whole world to see. But my brain is still intact to analyze situations which might arise after we fire the first shot. Only @Azaad @Ajayant Tripathi @haldilal @ezsasa @Karna @MasterChief and few others can see the implications after we take the first shot. I am not believing the bullshit that retaliation should be immediate, otherwise world will not support us if we retaliate after many weeks/months. I am seeing the big picture, I am more than happy if our attack is coming in September when the winter starts in Himalayas. Nature will take care of China factor.

What should we do until then you might ask? Get all our aircrafts in flying condition. Make sure there is no shortage of spare parts. We should be able to fly 3-4 sorties in a day. Jack up the production of Astra, Rudram missiles. Load up on our strategic fuel reserves. Get the production of weapons and ammunition rolling. Reconnaissance, Reconnaissance, Reconnaissance. Track every military asset and their logistics networks. Locate their fuel depots, ammunition factories, air bases and assign missiles which can take them out in the initial phases of the conflict. Given our strategic position we can dedicate our whole Navy to wipe them out.

Give our forces time to prepare and strategize. Don't forget cyber warfare until then. Hack into their systems and get all the info and STFU. Don't announce your bravado to the world to see. Worst case scenario if they want to press nuke button, make sure their nuke assets are taken out. I hope we have the location of all their nuclear assets. We must take territory this time period. If we are going to fight, at least let's fight properly with some preparation. Our men are not cannon fodder to expend for your entertainment of immediate revenge.

This war should totally cripple Porkistan and there should be at least 50 years peace at our Western border.

Do you really think we would be able convince the world about justifying strike/invasion with a terror attack that happend 4-5 months ago??
Casus Belli would be lost in just few weeks.