Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

Do you think a Military response going to happen?.

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ezsasa said:

as usual, CNN laying the groundwork for India the aggressor narrative.​

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Pakistan accuses India of baseless blame for Kashmir attack​


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India blames Pakistan for Kashmir's massacre​



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I don't get what they like about dirty, smelly looking followers of desert cult.
Democrats have always favoured Muslims over even their own Christian brethren, so it is no surprise that a democrat pushing channel like CNN will organise chai-pe-charcha sessions with dirty smelly pigs.
 
spikey360 said:
Consider the fact that in both the cases, the revenge was taken after a long time, and any quick reaction would surely have broken that assertion this time around and caught them unaware.
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Quick reaction would depend on what we're targeting. I wrote before Modi could've gone in for a high profile strike with TV cameras attached to our Fighters which would've beamed back 4k resolution pictures showing a few buildings at various sites destroyed with a few casualties , in graphic detail.

Makes for very good optics. But zero impact for as I put it to you , those birds would've long flown the coop much before Pahalgam was attempted.

Ironically this is what Fauji Foundation may have gambled on but they're now realising they've bitten off more than they can chew. All they can do is mobilise troops & parade up & down the LoC & IB or carry out exercises ( limited given the state of the economy ) in the hinterland.

I also wrote you wouldn't have seen Hapig Saeed or Malauda No sood for I'm Muslim Azhar for weeks in public before Pahalgam & you're not likely to see them in public for a long time if at all.

Finally for us to have the kind of preparation as you're suggesting we need to instead be involved in pre emptive strikes. I think we'd see that going into the future.

All these things need to be graduated over a period of time. We can't get to the last step of the escalatory ladder without climbing all or most of those steps.
spikey360 said:
In fact, Modi now walked into the trap which Pakistan and China was hoping for.
Go into prepare paralysis and in the meantime, they pull the levers to ensure the any kind of blow is well predicted before time and is handled with utmost preparedness from their side.
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You're assuming Paxtan wouldn't be getting ISR from China , even if we were to act immediately say within 48 hours of Pahalgam.
 
Azaad said:
All these things need to be graduated over a period of time. We can't get to the last step of the escalatory ladder without climbing all or most of those steps.
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But this is exactly what is being peddled now. We could have graded the response by first doing quick strikes and then in case of state retaliation aka Pak army retaliation, we could have escalated and blown them to smithereens.
But instead of that, we started preparing for a mythical war, which has no stated objectives yet (which is OK, since it has not started yet). But then my question is - if such is the preparedness that one cannot execute airstrikes on hair-trigger or missile strikes on hair-trigger - what is the usefulness of a politically stable government and nationwide support for retaliation?
Such short lived public sentiments are being squandered away, by not making any tangible kinetic actions.

I understand that you are standing on the opposite end of the spectrum, but I feel you should give your stance a deep think.
 
People are needlessly bringing 1971 or any other war fought by India before the advent of Islamic terrorism in Kashmir in 1990 into this debate.

There is only one precedent(an incomplete one) where Indian govt & armed forces planned for months for an offensive inside POK but couldn't execute bcoz of 9/11... that was "Operation Kabaddi".

Coming to the present... as many are hinting of a long drawn plan to punish pakis... where the preparation lasts from 1 months to 6 months as per different members.

Now... ask yourself what can the forces actually acquire in 1 to 6 months to make any significant difference.

Airforce: Spares, ammunition, missiles or some electronics/avionics pods. They can in no way bring in new aerial assets in 1 to 6 months.

Navy: same as above... no new ships/subs can come in next 1 to 6 months.

This leaves only one service that is...

Army: Again they also can't acquire big platforms in numbers like howitzers... but within a few months time a sizeable amount of infantry can be equipped with latest stuff for offensive ops... the Artillery can stock tens of thousands of shells... and all other arms their spares and ammunition.

Now bcoz people are concerned about economy... so is the govt... so be rest assured the navy will be used only for posturing... confusing pakis and dividing their aerial asset deployment.

Iff govt really is going in for long game then that surely is an "Operation Kabaddi plus".

Whatever the GOI is planning now would have already happened in 2020 if the Chinese wouldn't have come in then.

The long drawn conflict that GOI is planning would be invasive in nature but would be limited to J&K LOC/WB.

The aim would be to acquire high grounds and all thinly/sparsely populated area across LOC.

Terror camps are empty... so what? The target would be the "Irregular" Mujahid force who are both pak army members and become Mujahideen for ops inside Indian Kashmir.

For Op kabaddi preparation time was 3 months... but now that preparation can happen in much less time owing to our industrial capabilities & economic might.

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spikey360 said:
But this is exactly what is being peddled now. We could have graded the response by first doing quick strikes and then in case of state retaliation aka Pak army retaliation, we could have escalated and blown them to smithereens.
But instead of that, we started preparing for a mythical war, which has no stated objectives yet (which is OK, since it has not started yet). But then my question is - if such is the preparedness that one cannot execute airstrikes on hair-trigger or missile strikes on hair-trigger - what is the usefulness of a politically stable government and nationwide support for retaliation?
Such short lived public sentiments are being squandered away, by not making any tangible kinetic actions.

I understand that you are standing on the opposite end of the spectrum, but I feel you should give your stance a deep think.
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My gut feeling is GoI wants to do something which'd permanently damage the armed forces of Paxtan , totally demoralise them & further denigrate them in the eyes of their people without prolonging the matter for then you've a war or do something so grand it just about escalates into Nuclear territory.

Now this is easier said than done. All those preparations we're undertaking is with this objective.
 
Azaad said:
My gut feeling is GoI wants to do something which'd permanently damage the armed forces of Paxtan , totally demoralise them & further denigrate them in the eyes of their people without prolonging the matter for then you've a war or do something so grand it just about escalates into Nuclear territory.

Now this is easier said than done. All those preparations we're undertaking is with this objective.
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To permanently damage the armed forces of Pakistan - which is a very noble objective - one has to consider that fact that a nuclear war, with tactical warheads will be fought, at the least.
It would mean hitting hard targets pre-emptively like Pak Army Headquarters, ISI headquarters and also, most if not ALL THE STRATEGIC NUCLEAR WARHEADS of Pakistan.

In that case, it would be prudent to prepare the populace with bomb shelters, air raid sirens [not that any of these mean anything in a nuclear war] But we do not see any measures being undertaken which prepare the populace or the economy for the shock which such an action is bound to bring. This is the very reason, I very much doubt anything close to what you are hoping for - is in the works. It is just a bluff game which is being played at the cost of 25(+1) Hindu families.
 
spikey360 said:
To permanently damage the armed forces of Pakistan - which is a very noble objective - one has to consider that fact that a nuclear war, with tactical warheads will be fought, at the least.
It would mean hitting hard targets like Pak Army Headquarters, ISI headquarters and also, most if not ALL THE STRATEGIC NUCLEAR WARHEADS of Pakistan.

In that case, it would be prudent to prepare the populace with bomb shelters, air raid sirens [not that any of these mean anything in a nuclear war] But we do not see any measures being undertaken which prepare the populace or the economy for the shock which such an action is bound to bring. This is the very reason, I very much doubt anything close to what you are hoping for - is in the works. It is just a bluff game which is being played at the cost of 25(+1) Hindu families.
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Not necessarily. I wrote earlier about targeting the other arms of the armed forces except PA. Destroy the PN comprehensively & damage as much as you can of the PAF without hitting targets on land as far as possible but spare the PA.

That way the incentive to not retaliate or escalate is with the PA . Declare a CF & then over a period of time initiate & graduate action across the LoC such that you tie down a significant number of Fauji Foundation there which gives the Balochi Sarmachars , the TTP & other such tanzeems a free hand in going about their business in Paxtan.
 
ezsasa said:
and

incase anyone comes across interviews or podcasts especially to goras, where folks representing Indian point of view has managed to turn the tables .

i.e asking the gora interviewer/podcaster about their views on terrorism,
and what should be an appropriate response in such situations,
and if the victim country does not respond appropriately, what do they think terrorist groups will do next.

post it here, incase anyone comes across such an interview or a podcast.

if members can think of more such questions, post them as a reply to this post.


everyone is staying in the comfort zone of making gormint/forces accountable by demanding answers.
let's see if our public is shown any signs of understanding the game outside of our comfort zone of accountability.
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I don't like AIM and Aditya Raj for their other antics but those guys do tends to raise pro Indian stand whenever they get into contact with foreign media. Even though AIM is considered horrible as defence analyst among many, atleast that guy tries to push the Indian narrative on gora platforms. Gotta give the credit where is due. We need more exfart people like them who put the Indian message clearly to the goras.
 
ezsasa said:

as usual, CNN laying the groundwork for India the aggressor narrative.​

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Pakistan accuses India of baseless blame for Kashmir attack​


View: https://youtu.be/aZofzLDuyrs

India blames Pakistan for Kashmir's massacre​



View: https://youtu.be/bTLSZXI1DFI
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The Kafir remark by Munira in days ahead., the selective murder of innocent civilians based on religion, the Ram Mandir remark in pak assembly soon after, all was directed at the Muslim population in India to create rift and turbulence ; create a mindset against Bharath from within

Some play book at play.
 
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Ya'll Nibbiars empty air space even today.

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Ya'll Nibbiars

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