Pahalgam Islamic Terror Attack

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Do you think a Military response going to happen?.

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The lack of understanding about military matters amongst our so called strategic experts community is shocking, if not deplorable.

- I mean, what you mean by keeping a range of options ready to strike swiftly?

- How 'swiftly' is swift enough?

- Second, what is such a swift option expected to achieve? That you've slapped me, and I' slapping you back? And what if he slaps back, again?

- Is the Indian response expected to achieve something tangible or meant only for consumption of the masses?

- Also, all the plans made in advance would've been made assuming certain conditions.

- It is very likely that the same set of conditions don't exist when a situation arises and they need to be modified or the plans changed completely.

- When we did the Surgical Strike and the Balakot air attack, the objective was two fold - first, to inflict pain on the enemy but much more importantly, to declare out intent to retaliate as per our choice in a manner in which we desire.

- What happens in Kashmir was no longer going to be restricted to Kashmir and tit-for-tat cross border raid.

- Also, it should be common sense that when the Pakistanis decided to perpetrate the Pahalgam Hindu massacre, they would've gamed Indian response and already taken certain precautions.

- Pakistanis would've kept their options ready even before the first shot was fired in Pahalgam.

- THE MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL - If we're to ensure that Pakistan does not repeat such a horrendous act again, the response from our side will have to cause a tremendous pain on Pakistan and its decision makers.

- It is obvious by now that such a response is going to be multi-pronged and a mix of measures, with military retaliation being one component.

- Any substantial military option will require that India be ready to move up the escalation ladder and also be able to control the escalation.

- Which further means that the GOI will have cover all the bases and be ready for any eventuality.

- Don't fall for such hottakes. He doesn't have to bother about the economic impact of military action, price of petrol and diesel and vegetables and fruits and grocery and jobs. GOI has to before it does anything.
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Russia would never overtly say anything but obviously they are going to help India.

1. Long time ally
2. India is the biggest arms purchaser and will be for at least the next 10-15 years until they start making everything.
 
Ok guys so here are some important developments in the last 10 days:-
  • IWT suspended. Excellent CLASSIC war strategy to deny basic stuff to enemy to survive & make them DESPERATE. In earlier times even POISON was mixed in water so all enemies die but India is being kind.
  • BHIKHARI Pakis are losing precious $ in millions in troop deployments each day expecting IMMINENT attack from India. :lol:
  • Paki Imports banned even if it comes from a 3rd country.
  • Paki Airlines banned from Indian airspace thus losing easy $$$.
  • Pakis have only few days of ammo and COSTLY jet fuel left! Pakis got reality check already!
  • Pakis are nervous and crying in the feet of all world powers. They threaten of NUKE and then ask for dialaaag or ask their ALLAH to save from Indian Army which has got free hand now.
  • In India, thousands of homes of illegal Pakis, Rohingyas, Kangladeshis are demolished on a massive scale. Good excuse to FAST TRACK garbage cleaning and dilute that 0.5 Front War.
  • Pakis told to leave India, including mominas giving EGGS in India enjoying free rations.
  • Youtube and other channels banned so more $$$ loss.
  • Meanwhile Baloch Freedom Fighter have started taking control of many cities of KALAT (Republic of Balochistan) since Paki forces are sent to Indian border! Dozens of Paki soldiers killed! :yey:
  • Already TTP Freedom Fighters are attacking and Pakis busy fighting them.
  • A Paki Ranger "accidently" crosses into India & gets captured! Might be BSF's Special Forces COVERT operation(Creek Crocodiles) so the score can be settled since 1 BSF guy was captured by Pakis. Pakis refused for even 1 flag meeting but now licking feet of BSF to have a meeting. Paki Ranger enjoying FANTASTIC Tea and meals. This is NOT available in BHOOKHA NANGA Pakistan! Maybe he crossed border just for free meals so he can LIVE! :pound:
  • India gets a good opportunity for a WAR READINESS operation after a long time. Lessons taken from 2001 operation Parakram.
Summary: It seems like India is slowly strangulating Pakis by SURGICAL ECONOMIC STRIKE so they attack India first. This will give India a VALID reason for a bigger counter attack with full justification. This is because India cares too much for world view unfortunately!

So everyone, have some patience. Things are going in the correct direction. Any knee jerk JINGOISM strike will not benefit much since this time we need long lasting punishment on Pakis specially FAUJEET's. Mulla Munir made a BIG MISTAKE and should be punished along with his whole Cabal!
 
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Ajatshatru said:
I find it hard to believe that a decision this absurd could be made at the government level.
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It was hard to believe when such decisions when it was serious country but it is India and babus here are nothing but subhuman.
In serious country that babu would have been fired by now apparently you can’t do it in joke country. Why are such decisions are taken by lowly uneducated babu.In any case people who have Twitter, spam relevant ministery .
 
rock127 said:
In India, thousands of homes of illegal Pakis, Rohingyas, Kangladeshis are demolished on a massive scale.
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Once this is done and dust is settled, we need to put pressure for an urgent NRC, if leftists and Islamists can get on the street to protest against NRC, why can't RW and Hindus can also get on the streets to protests and demand implementation of NRC?

This is as urgent as anything in the country.

PS: which country in the world does not have registry of it's citizens? we really are a joke country
 
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sameer said:
The officer class is actually the worst in terms of dishing out gyaan on sickularism. No points in guessing who organizes sessions like this. Their families have more or less similar thinking patterns.

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Not to mention you have Pravin swahiney, sushant singh etc who spend most of their time writing articles on muh dangers and Phasicm of Hindutva.
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We have an ex Brig in our complex. Few yrs back when we wanted to build.a temple in our society ,this person opposed the max ,saying that we should instead build a server dharma prayer place. Typical freeloader who will donate less than required on occasions but will get his whole family and relatives to have food in the bhandaara.
 
mist_consecutive said:

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??? Turkey sent an fucking LPD to protect their minions ?
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Meanwhile Indian Navy to Turkish rust buckets -

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Captscooby said:
I saw twitter feed of IAF fighter pilot wife .. this was in 2021 she literally called Musha as Hitler and Himmler and called the current govt as fascist and evil and all choicest of words for hindu's voting for Beejaypee .. this was next month after republic day parade where her hunky was in fly past team piloting a fighter . now what kind of mental stress she can put on him every night with her mental musings and which can turn into occupational hazard if the guy is weak in heart and mind ..

Officers class has been attracting some of the wokest female population for some time now .. its only the non office class female family members are little grounded but that is also getting eroded fast as they want to emulate their higher memsahabs ...
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It is because the demographic of people who become officer's has changed, now job seekers become officer's. Officer's come from the same background as men in Air Force and Navy and slightly better background than men in Army. Present generation of Officers don't have generational wealth in their families, so even if someone becomes officer doesn't change his status in the society. Many communities like Parsi, Anglo Indian etc have stopped joining military. Even Royal families have lost their interest in the military career. For example during 60,s and 70,s most of the IAF manpower was either Nair or Sikh now it is mostly from North Indian state with troubled financial conditions. What's the purpose of short service commission officer scheme ? It's purpose is to open the door for military service for people with wealthy background, but now it's just a Rozgaar Yojana, where cadet's join because they couldn't join permanent commission and remain disgruntled due to terms and conditions of their services. So Officer's get marriage match from similar background i.e. they're not getting up to the mark marriage match, because even in normal families parents prefer stable, well settled match instead of nomadic lifestyle.
 
Sanatani said:
We have an ex Brig in our complex. Few yrs back when we wanted to build.a temple in our society ,this person opposed the max ,saying that we should instead build a server dharma prayer place. Typical freeloader who will donate less than required on occasions but will get his whole family and relatives to have food in the bhandaara.
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That's coz he sees the colony as army barracks & bhandara as the langar. Be grateful he doesn't skimp on society maintenance charges.
 
shade2 said:
Baboos are flesh and blood bots 🤖

Baboon reads "ban all pakistani social media accounts" and he does the needful, no need to apply brain, just do according to gormint order received, have chai samosa after.
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Not bots but "snakes in the Ganga"..
Some islamocommie swine on ISI payroll has inserted these accounts among the list of pro-porky establishment handles.
We need to drop the thought process that it's incompetence rather than malice. If islamocommies were incompetent they wouldn't have been winning PR-narrative battles across the globe.
 
Vinod Patter said:
It is because the demographic of people who become officer's has changed, now job seekers become officer's. Officer's come from the same background as men in Air Force and Navy and slightly better background than men in Army. Present generation of Officers don't have generational wealth in their families, so even if someone becomes officer doesn't change his status in the society. Many communities like Parsi, Anglo Indian etc have stopped joining military. Even Royal families have lost their interest in the military career. For example during 60,s and 70,s most of the IAF manpower was either Nair or Sikh now it is mostly from North Indian state with troubled financial conditions. What's the purpose of short service commission officer scheme ? It's purpose is to open the door for military service for people with wealthy background, but now it's just a Rozgaar Yojana, where cadet's join because they couldn't join permanent commission and remain disgruntled due to terms and conditions of their services. So Officer's get marriage match from similar background i.e. they're not getting up to the mark marriage match, because even in normal families parents prefer stable, well settled match instead of nomadic lifestyle.
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Remember this one axiom that is an ancient saying from somewhere in eastern asia, plagiarized a lot by the whites these days:

Tough times make strong men.
Strong men make good times.
Good times make weak men
Weak men make tough times.

Back in the 60s, 70s, etc. our military was a FIGHTER military. Remember, we were the sword of britain. Whites will never tell you this in ww1 memorial day shit, but its British Indian 4th corps who defeated the ottomans in battle of Baghdad, battle of Tifsun and one more battle- the 3 of the 4 main battles that Ottoman empire fought and got crushed in on field - the 4th one was battle of Kars against Rooskies before the Rooskies got KO-ed in the ocotober revolution.

And even before that, british adventures in South africa and other parts of africa, in afghanistan, etc are ALL desi troops.
So we came from an amreeka-like culture (except as captive subject population) with war culture, respect for the soldier and a LOT of war experience. You didnt sign up for the military thinking your career would be flying training missions, you signed up KNOWING FULL WELL that in the next 10 years, you WILL go to war.
But then after 1971, this changed - except for some kargil action - which doesnt even constitute full war but a undeclared artillery duel-cum mini bombing run in one's own damn territory to expel a bunch of soldiers the enemy high command suddenly wants to wash their hands off of and pretend it never happened- isnt a real war.
But we havent fought a real war in nearly 55 years. yes, we have shit tons of montane deployment and counter-insurgency and chinese salami slicing manuever experience but that STILL IS NOT WAR.

And thats why our officer corps mentality and demographics has also changed. they go into military knowing full well that war is extremely unlikely or once-in-a-life event even if it happens. Coz as far as military POV is concerned, no war is good times. Therefore we must suffer the weak men produced by the good times.
 
Let me set some expectations right in this thread.

You are not going to beat Pakistan with economic warfare. Pakis run on credit lines, and any economic damage you inflict will be part of their next bheek application to Beijing or Washington, which will be promptly granted. You are not trying to wage economic war against the paki exchequer but the chicom/wignat exchequer--it's like pissing against the wind.

An erratic water supply means failed crops, which could cause some domestic political upheaval, because bheek will import food from the world food markets (there's plenty of food in the world); but the paki feudal farmer will have lighter wallets. Pakis have a very similar feudal farming system to the arthiyas of Indian Punjab. The trickle down of that bheek to peasants under each feudal farmer will be much less.

Pakistan stopped being a conventional adversary as of 1971, it is fighting textbook Islamic war. Losses are not measured in lives but territory. Pakis could attempt to encroach India, get pushed back, but as long as they're pushed back to the status quo (LC/WB/IB, whatever), the attempt is never written as a defeat in their books, no matter how many lives were lost.

The only real damage you can cause to pakis is loss of territory. Loss of territory, especially in a war they started, would have a devastating impact on the hukumat. When pakis lost territory in 1971, it was a bloodbath in West Pakistan for almost the entire decade of the 1970s--jernails and feudal families, everyone lost lives (Zia, Zulfikar Bhutto, you name it).

Any Indian response to a conflict pakis started should aim to grab territory, however small that might be, even if it means smoothing out bulges along the LC. Those dumbasses practically handed this option to us by walking away from Simla Agreement. Even telling pakis "hey look, these are the peaks and bulges we grabbed," would devastate their morale, no amount of retorting with losses of life on the Indian side will hide their cope. Establishing loss of territory as a new normal for paki gandmasti would have a deterrent effect like no other.

For there to be any meaningful peace in Kashmir, both pakis the local kashmiris need to be told that India has complete area domination, and all of their acts will be invoiced--payable in territory.

All that said, I have no clue what India is planning. Paki mobilisation is aimed to create a Parakram-like stalemate, which means at some level they realise India is going to tug at the LC and IB.

There are two factors that pakis are overplaying, exactly because they are overrated:
1. Nukes
2. Chicoms

Nukes--pakis are not going to nuke us over any ingress we make into PoK. No elaboration needed. Even the looniest mulla holding the nuclear trigger knows that starting a nuclear exchange over Kashmir only causes them to haemorrhage territory.

Chicom intervention--they will not start a hot war on paki's behalf, they will try to build-up and try to stimulate a mirror mobilisation on the Indian side that stretches Indian force thin on two fronts, but this will not result in a hot war. Chicoms swapped out at least 3 known theater commanders and had to bring in central theater command troops during Galwan. They do not dominate anything in that front.
 
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I see even the prepare-niks showing gradual signs of impatience now in their posts.
This is good. Pile on the pressure on the incompetent I say.
 
tarunraju said:
Let me set some expectations right in this thread.

You are not going to beat Pakistan with economic warfare. Pakis run on credit lines, and any economic damage you inflict will be part of their next bheek application to Beijing or Washington, which will be promptly granted. You are not trying to wage economic war against the paki exchequer but the chicom/wignat exchequer--it's like pissing against the wind.

An erratic water supply means failed crops, which could cause some domestic political upheaval, because bheek will import food from the world food markets (there's plenty of food in the world); but the paki feudal farmer will have lighter wallets. Pakis have a very similar feudal farming system to the arthiyas of Indian Punjab. The trickle down of that bheek to peasants under each feudal farmer will be much less.

Pakistan stopped being a conventional adversary as of 1971, it is fighting textbook Islamic war. Losses are not measured in lives but territory. Pakis could attempt to encroach India, get pushed back, but as long as they're pushed back to the status quo (LC/WB/IB, whatever), the attempt is never written as a defeat in their books, no matter how many lives were lost.

The only real damage you can cause to pakis is loss of territory. Loss of territory, especially in a war they started, would have a devastating impact on the hukumat. When pakis lost territory in 1971, it was a bloodbath in West Pakistan for almost the entire decade of the 1970s--jernails and feudal families, everyone lost lives (Zia, Zulfikar Bhutto, you name it).

Any Indian response to a conflict pakis started should aim to grab territory, however small that might be, even if it means smoothing out bulges along the LC. Those dumbasses practically handed this option to us by walking away from Simla Agreement. Even telling pakis "hey look, these are the peaks and bulges we grabbed," would devastate their morale, no amount of retorting with losses of life on the Indian side will hide their cope. Establishing loss of territory as a new normal for paki gandmasti would have a deterrent effect like no other.

For there to be any meaningful peace in Kashmir, both pakis the local kashmiris need to be told that India has complete area domination, and all of their acts will be invoiced--payable in territory.

All that said, I have no clue what India is planning. Paki mobilisation is aimed to create a Parakram-like stalemate, which means at some level they realise India is going to tug at the LC and IB.

There are two factors that pakis are overplaying, exactly because they are overrated:
1. Nukes
2. Chicoms

Nukes--pakis are not going to nuke us over any ingress we make into PoK. No elaboration needed. Even the looniest mulla holding the nuclear trigger knows that starting a nuclear exchange over Kashmir only causes them to haemorrhage territory.

Chicom intervention--they will not start a hot war on paki's behalf, they will try to build-up and try to stimulate a mirror mobilisation on the Indian side that stretches Indian force thin on two fronts, but this will not result in a hot war. Chicoms swapped out at least 3 known theater commanders and had to bring in central theater command troops during Galwan. They do not dominate anything in that front.
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That's one of the options. It's already been war gamed long ago due to have been implemented in 2001 as you pointed out earlier when Lt Gen Nanavati was the then Northern Army Commander.

The problem with this approach is we can slip very easily into a prolonged confrontation which is a war.

Paxtan may have not much to lose but we do . Our aim is to minimise our losses while maximizing their pain which translates to no such endeavour which prolongs any such engagement beyond necessary time.

By destroying their other arms viz PN & PAF you degrade their war machinery & thereby their war waging capabilities. This way the next time Fauji Foundation wants to engage in adventurism they think twice.

Paxtan is a sinking ship. We'd get plenty of opportunities with them if not now then another 5-10 years down the line. That's the nature of the beast . Our primary focus ought to be China. As long as they're around & on the LAC our options are limited .

I don't think they'd intervene but if we get bogged down in a prolonged confrontation there's a chance we may have to divert manpower from the LAC to the LoC . This'd be the chance the PLA might try to exploit.

There's also a precedent for this phenomenon in the Kargil war when they acted precisely in this manner.

Of course having said that we don't really know what our guys are planning but this is definitely one of the options albeit with lesser RoI , IMO.

Edit - to add to the above the principal reason Maulana Munir precipitated this conflict is the absolute shambolic state of Fauji Foundation & their reputation especially Maulana's own reputation .

He's probably the most hated man in Paxtan today especially since the people's Messiah Khansama is languishing behind bars .

Our seizing territory will rally support for Fauji Foundation among the awam & boost Maulana's image. This is precisely what he wants. That'd be the real trap we'd be walking into. In any case even if we do gain territory it'd be at great cost & provides Fauji Foundation with an incentive to then keep hitting back at us.

To make matters worse , 56" has gone in for rationalization of the army by slashing numbers & going in for the Agniveer program - an ill advised move especially since none of the 2.5 fronts have been resolved. Infact to make matter worse we've now 3.5 or 4.5 fronts in the shape of a BD & Myanmar.
 
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