Russian Ukrainian War

[Akim]

Sounds like a great deal for Zelensky and the rest of Ukraine. I hope Trump doesn't believe that this is a stalemate like Marco Rubio has claimed. Putin won't except this deal even if Zelensky does, which he won't. It looks like it will be settled on the battlefield.

This is fake.

 

[trombone]

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Donald Trump's "100 day" Ukraine peace plan leaked: Report

A Ukrainian outlet has leaked Trump's alleged peace plan to end the war in Ukraine, which involves barring Kyiv from joining NATO.

www.newsweek.com

Wait, wasn’t modi hyped to be the peace broker coupla months back?

 

[WW2historian]

This is fake.

It might be fake, but it does seem like a deal Trump would come up with. There are compromises on both sides, but aren't there always when you sign a deal? It seems like a reasonable compromises if you're not from Ukraine, or Russia.

 

[WW2historian]

Zelensky is helping Russia win this war. Why didn't he order a retreat earlier?

Ukraine ABANDONS Velyka Novosilka Triumphal Russian Flag Raising​

HistoryLegends

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZzgoGKNDCw

 

[Blademaster]

Sounds like a great deal for Zelensky and the rest of Ukraine. I hope Trump doesn't believe that this is a stalemate like Marco Rubio has claimed. Putin won't except this deal even if Zelensky does, which he won't. It looks like it will be settled on the battlefield.

Putin is pushing hard on the western axis and into the Zaporizhia region and capturing the city in the process and I think he would want to push all the way to the city of Dnipro and retake Kherson and Kharkiv. He is gonna want security guarantees for Transnistria and transit routes to that area. Ideally he wants to take the entire eastern Ukraine area but that will no longer be possible.

 

[average indian]

Wait, wasn’t modi hyped to be the peace broker coupla months back?

Well my comment might annoy few members but nobody give a ,… about us in general west or east only interested in milking us that’s the hard truth

 

[Blademaster]

Well my comment might annoy few members but nobody give a ,… about us in general west or east only interested in milking us that’s the hard truth

That's very true. I never bought into that crap. They were just buttering us up in order to get what they want.

We need to develop our own oil/gas production to the tune of 8m barrels a day, lithium manufacturing sufficient enough to power 15 million new cars a year, semiconductor industry at 5 nm and above, quantum computing, turbojet and turbofan engines, planes, ships, and 3rd stage nuclear reactors.

 

[average indian]

View: https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1884131613723746627 Comments are hilarious

 

[Akim]

It might be fake, but it does seem like a deal Trump would come up with. There are compromises on both sides, but aren't there always when you sign a deal? It seems like a reasonable compromises if you're not from Ukraine, or Russia.

"Win-win" formula?
I don't see any positive for Ukraine. This proposal was written under Russian dictation. I was especially amused by "May 9". Does Trump even know about this date? Because the whole world celebrates the victory over fascism on May 8. Only in Russia is this a sacred date.
In general, let's wait until Trump finds out that Nazism helped defeat the USSR and it's not just Russians.

 

[Soldier35]

Footage of the attack of the Russian FPV drone "Prince Vandal Novgorodsky", controlled via fiber optic cable, on the Ukrainian FV105 Sultan command and staff vehicle. The second drone attacked a nearby M113 armored personnel carrier, apparently it came to help. The FV105 Sultan command and staff vehicle has been produced in the UK since 1978, with a total of 136 units produced. The FV105 Sultan hull contains up to 4 radio stations, a table for topographic maps and tablets, and additional batteries. The FV105 Sultan is armed with a 7.62 mm machine gun. The FV105 Sultan crew is up to six people. The Russian army also has captured FV105 Sultans. Judging by the video, the combat vehicles have already been abandoned by their crews. The video was filmed near the village of Petrovskoye on the Svatovo-Kremennaya front.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hb21NgtqGw

 

[WW2historian]

Putin is pushing hard on the western axis and into the Zaporizhia region and capturing the city in the process and I think he would want to push all the way to the city of Dnipro and retake Kherson and Kharkiv. He is gonna want security guarantees for Transnistria and transit routes to that area. Ideally he wants to take the entire eastern Ukraine area but that will no longer be possible.

Why do you think it's not possible to take eastern Ukraine?

 

[WW2historian]

"Win-win" formula?
I don't see any positive for Ukraine. This proposal was written under Russian dictation. I was especially amused by "May 9". Does Trump even know about this date? Because the whole world celebrates the victory over fascism on May 8. Only in Russia is this a sacred date.
In general, let's wait until Trump finds out that Nazism helped defeat the USSR and it's not just Russians.

You don't see anything positive for Ukraine? What about saving thousands of lives and avoiding destruction of further Ukrainian towns and cities? I guess people like you think you can decide the fate of thousands of people just because you want what you want. And what you want is an illusion.

 

[shade2]

Article based on some US diplomat in 1990s suggesting that shock therapy of Russian economy loot and plunder of ex-Soviet assets after Soviet collapse would lead to Russkies being hardened against the West in the "future"

Opinion | A Secret Cable and a Clue to Where U.S.-Russia Relations Went Wrong

A newly declassified analysis argued against “shock therapy” for the former Soviet Union. The warning wasn’t heeded.

www.nytimes.com

Meanwhile, Another doom -n- gloom article about Ukraine from Western press.

In past 6 months the narrative peddling has changed from "Ukraine is winning" and "Ukraine will reclaim everything including Crimea" to "It's Over, NATO deal and ceasefire now"

Amid talk of a ceasefire, Ukraine’s front line is crumbling

An ominous defeat in the eastern town of Velyka Novosilka

www.economist.com

Incidentally, Kayar Starmer, the PM of Economist's country, gave #PhoolSapport to stationing troops in Ukraine ofc after whatever "deal" was made.



In their "bleed Russia" scheme Ukraine now offers diminishing returns, mostly because it is running out guys, both in terms of them being dead and in terms of them being either injured or psychologically tired of 3 years of war, meanwhile Rooskie has more guys in absolute terms and can import additional guys from Best Korea.

If West was serious about "bleed Russia" they could have armed Ukraine conventionally right after 2014 but then the nation and it's people were only meant to be a disposable pawn vs Russia

 

[Blademaster]

Why do you think it's not possible to take eastern Ukraine?

Too much earthworks and takes too much time if there's a deadline. For this to work, Putin has to take eastern Ukraine before Trump's term ends or even the 2 year mark into Trump's 2nd presidency because right now Trump has control over Congress. Who knows after the midterm elections of his 2nd term?

 

[shade2]

You don't see anything positive for Ukraine? What about saving thousands of lives and avoiding destruction of further Ukrainians towns and cities? I guess people like you think you can decide the fate of thousands of people just because you want what you want. And what you want is an illusion.

He doesn't want a full capitulation, which is what that rumored Peace Deal is.


The needle within Ukraine( i.e Jholenskyy's public utterances ) has moved to "Ceasefire deal where Ukraine gets NATO membership, Russia defacto keeps occupied territories" from the earlier "We will take back every square meter of land including Crimea".

 

[Akim]

You don't see anything positive for Ukraine? What about saving thousands of lives and avoiding destruction of further Ukrainian towns and cities? I guess people like you think you can decide the fate of thousands of people just because you want what you want. And what you want is an illusion.

Indeed, the number of those who want the war to end under any conditions is growing. I do not belong to this group, because I understand that the war will return anyway. Russia must be finished off in this war. "Thousands of lives saved" is populism, like with the illegals from Columbia.

 

[Blademaster]

Indeed, the number of those who want the war to end under any conditions is growing. I do not belong to this group, because I understand that the war will return anyway. Russia must be finished off in this war. "Thousands of lives saved" is populism, like with the illegals from Columbia.

Keep dreaming. Ukraine will be finished before you can even think about marching on to Moscow. It is the likes of you that is killing Ukraine.

 

[WW2historian]

Too much earthworks and takes too much time if there's a deadline. For this to work, Putin has to take eastern Ukraine before Trump's term ends or even the 2 year mark into Trump's 2nd presidency because right now Trump has control over Congress. Who knows after the midterm elections of his 2nd term?

I forgot to mention that Putin has said several times that Zelensky is an illegitimate president since he cancelled elections. Until Zelensky is reelected or resigns, no negotiations can happen.

 

[Akim]

I forgot to mention that Putin has said several times that Zelensky is an illegitimate president since he cancelled elections. Until Zelensky is reelected or resigns, no negotiations can happen.

We don't give a damn about his opinion. As long as there is a war, he is legitimate (according to our Constitution).

 

[WW2historian]

Right now most of Ukraine's population has realized that the west is breaking it's many promises. That will make it easier for Putin to sway Ukraine's population to blame Zelensky and the radical right wing nationalist for destroying Ukraine. They will also see how Russia is rebuilding cities like Mariupol.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-jpi5k8XA

Zelensky the drug addict has his own theory of why Russia rebuild Mariupol so quickly.


View: https://x.com/AlternatNews/status/1884178788369711550