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Could you please reply the question?? Or you have habit of jumping topic to topic like maniac
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Could you please reply the question?? Or you have habit of jumping topic to topic like maniac
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You will never restore Donbass.
Problem with extremists and idiots like you and your nation, just like with the Palestinians, is that you dont know when you are beaten and what you are being offered NOW, is the best deal you will ever have.
But no, like idiot palestinians, you ukrainians are just as idiotic to take maximalist demands of 'we shall restore donbass and take back Crimea'.
What WILL happen, is what happened to the Palestinians : Israel offered them statehood in the 90s, in Camp David accords with Clinton, but in 'as is' condition- meaning Israel controls Jerusalem, Israel controls Jordan valley, but rest of West Bank+Gaza = go ahead and become a nation-state.
But no, back then Yasir Arafat wanted the maximalist demand - return of all Palestinian descendants of refugees TO israel, total control over jordan valley, TOTAL control of jerusalem.
What happened ? 30 years later, they are now begging for the deal Israel offered them in the 90s and Israel is saying 'too bad so sad, times have changed'.
You are in the exact same boat with Russia and you and your idiot nation doesn't realize this. You think America is your friend, when in reality, America is Cercei Lannister : not as smart as they think they are, but COMPLETELY self-motivated who have zero problem tossing over their most trusted friend to the wolves, if it yeilds profit.
What you are being offered today is the best deal you will ever get. And that deal, is worse than what Russia offered AT THE TIME of invasion. And if you keep fighting, the deal you will eventually get, is far worse than what you will get today.
At the time of invasion, the demand was simply 'we keep crimea and you dont join NATO'. Now, the demand is 'we keep Crimea + Donbass +Kherson+Zaphorizia and you dont join NATO'.
If you keep fighting, in a year or two the demand will be 'we keep entire eastern Ukraine+Crimea+Kiev and you dont join NATO'.
And mark my words, you will come back crying then wishing you had the deal they are offering NOW.
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You got West Point under your belt?You moron, the sooner Ukraine retreats from Khrynki 2.0 the better. The only thing you control is the Sudhza gas measuring station. In winter Russia can cut off gas to Europe flowing through that pipeline and blame it on Ukraine. In return countries like Hungary will stop supplying electricity to Ukraine.
Also, soon the trees will start shedding their leaves. Then the real fun will begin.
You're just a f..king observer.
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So are you, mr 'i sit miles away from the frontlines and read news shit'. He is a better observer than you, coz you being party to the conflict directly makes you subject to a shit ton of propaganda from YOUR govt, which is normal for both (or all) sides in a direct conflict.
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Does he know Russian and Ukrainian? He can only get information in translation. I specifically look for English-language tweets. I have hundreds of times more other information.
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does not matter. You = vested party, your nation = vested party. ANY vested party have lower quality of information, as they are subject to greater amounts of propaganda from their own side.
You know who the two worst people are to ask about Israel-Palestine as far as FACTS go ? Israel and Palestine. Same way, the two worst people to ask for facts about Russia-Ukraine are Russians and ukrainians.
We are not vested party here. We are neutral observers, with not a whole lot riding on who wins/who loses. Ergo, we are less likely to be subject to propaganda and bias than you. If you had a brain bigger than a mouse's , you'd have realized this.
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I like idiot users who believe in the invincibility of Russia. Apparently, Putler simply does not want to harm Ukraine very much and for some reason is ready to sacrifice his soldiers for three years already, having small territorial seizures after the first six months of the war, instead of using the full power of the "great Russian army". They do not want to see that he has nothing, other than what is here. They live in a narrow information field. Krynki was mentioned here. Who told you all that there is no longer a Ukrainian bridgehead on the left bank of the Dnieper? They began to write less about this, but the bridgehead is there. Only recently on the river islands a Russian marine surrendered. His entire group was killed.
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If i was a Ukrani, i would be scared about why my "allies" are putting such widhwa-vilaap and bangle-breaking articles about my country
btw quote from Ukrani soldier from same article which has a very depressing tone
Such are Western "allies"
Palestinians were earlier a Soviet puppet and now a Irani puppet, excluding any Mazhubi motivations to destroy the Yahood.
Ukranis today are a US puppet and so accordingly have maximalist objectives which don't make sense and are unachievable by design, so they throw themselves into the Russian meatgrinder.
Just like Iran will fight Israel to the last Arab, so will US fight Russia to the last Ukranian.
Remember, they could have avoided all this if the incompetent Rooskies would have stopped that scam Maidan Revolution in 2014, No ukranis would be maimed, dead, orphaned, widowed etc etc.
I hope we don't have a similar clusterfuck with Kangludesh and we are able to re-insert Hasina, our govt doesn't have the spine of Rooskie one or "preparations" necessary to do an invasion. and survive.
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I am copy pasting this article in post so that it doesn't vanish under another 5 pages of "Akim vs Memberaans"
Surrounded by video monitors showing the advancing enemy, the battalion’s commander says his objectives have begun to shift.
“Right now, I’m thinking more about how to save my people,” says Mykhailo Temper. “It’s quite hard to imagine we will be able to move the enemy back to the borders of 1991,” he adds, referring to his country’s aim of restoring its full territorial integrity.
Once buoyed by hopes of liberating their lands, even soldiers at the front now voice a desire for negotiations with Russia to end the war. Yuriy, another commander on the eastern front who gave only his first name, says he fears the prospect of a “forever war”.
“I am for negotiations now,” he adds, expressing his concern that his son — also a soldier — could spend much of his life fighting and that his grandson might one day inherit an endless conflict.
“If the US turns off the spigot, we’re finished,” says another officer, a member of the 72nd Mechanised Brigade, in nearby Kurakhove.
Ukraine is heading into what may be its darkest moment of the war so far. It is losing on the battlefield in the east of the country, with Russian forces advancing relentlessly — albeit at immense cost in men and equipment.
Members of the Kharkiv regional recruitment office check a civilian’s documentation. Millions of Ukrainian men have been compelled to register for possible service or face hefty fines © Narciso Contreras/Anadolu/Getty Images
It is struggling to restore its depleted ranks with motivated and well-trained soldiers while an arbitrary military mobilisation system is causing real social tension. It is also facing a bleak winter of severe power and potentially heating outages.
“Society is exhausted,” says Oleksandr Merezhko, chair of the foreign affairs committee of the Ukrainian parliament.
At the same time, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is under growing pressure from western partners to find a path towards a negotiated settlement, even if there is scepticism about Russia’s willingness to enter talks any time soon and concern that Ukraine’s position is too weak to secure a fair deal right now.
“Most players want de-escalation here,” says a senior Ukrainian official in Kyiv.
It would be naive to expect the applause we got two years ago
The Biden administration is aware that its present strategy is not sustainable because “we are losing the war”, says Jeremy Shapiro, head of the Washington office of the European Council on Foreign Relations. “They are thinking of how to move that war to a greater quiescence.”
Most threatening of all for Kyiv is the possibility that Donald Trump wins next month’s US presidential election and tries to impose an unfavourable peace deal on Ukraine by threatening to withhold further military and financial aid. Trump repeated his claim last week that he could rapidly bring an end to the war.
Ukraine’s staunchest supporters in Europe may wish to keep it in the fight but lack the weapons stockpiles to do so and have no plan for filling any void left by the US.
Kyiv confirmed it was laying the groundwork for future talks in spectacular fashion when its troops seized a swath of Russia’s Kursk region in a surprise cross-border incursion in August. Zelenskyy said the land would serve as a bargaining chip.
And last week, in an attempt to shape the thinking of his allies, Zelenskyy visited the US to market his so-called “victory plan”, a formula for bolstering Ukraine’s position before possible talks with Moscow. Zelenskyy described it as a “strategy of achieving peace through strength”.
The Ukrainian president meets Donald Trump at Trump Tower in New York last week. The Republican presidential candidate has repeatedly claimed that he could quickly end the war © Shannon Stapleton/Reuters
Stepping into the maelstrom of the US election campaign, he held separate talks with President Joe Biden, vice-president Kamala Harris and her Republican opponent, Trump, to make his case.
At one point, Zelenskyy’s US mission veered towards disaster after he was criticised by Trump for resisting peace talks and censured by senior Republicans for visiting a weapons factory in the crucial swing state of Pennsylvania accompanied only by Democratic politicians. But in the end, he persuaded Trump to grant him an audience and salvaged his visit.
“It was not a triumph. It was not a catastrophe,” the senior Ukrainian official says of Zelenskyy’s US trip. “It would be naive to expect the applause we got two years ago,” the official adds, referring to the president’s address before Congress in December 2022, for which he received multiple standing ovations and declared that Ukraine would “never surrender”.
Yet the Ukrainian leader left Washington empty-handed on two central issues: US permission to use western weapons for long-range strikes on Russian territory; and progress on Ukraine’s bid to join Nato. The Biden administration has resisted both, fearing it could encourage Moscow to escalate the conflict, potentially drawing in the US and other allies.
US officials were unimpressed by Zelenskyy’s “victory plan”, which includes requests for massive amounts of western weaponry.
An adviser who helped prepare the document says Zelenskyy had no choice but to restate his insistence on Nato membership because anything else would have been perceived as a retreat on the question of western security guarantees, which Ukrainians see as indispensable.
The victory plan is an attempt to change the trajectory of the war and bring Russia to the table. Zelenskyy really believes in it
Despite Washington’s misgivings, the ability to strike Russian territory is also central to Zelenskyy’s victory plan, says the adviser. While US officials have argued that Russia has already moved strike aircraft beyond the range of western missiles, Ukrainian officials insist there are plenty of other targets such as command centres, weapons caches, fuel depots and logistics nodes.
Destroying them could disrupt Moscow’s ability to wage war, show Russian leader Vladimir Putin that his objectives of seizing at least four whole provinces of Ukraine are untenable and disprove his conviction that the west will lose interest in supporting Ukraine.
“Russia should not be overestimated,” says Andris Sprūds, Latvia’s defence minister. “It has its vulnerabilities.”
Although Zelenskyy’s victory plan restated old objectives, its real significance is that it shifts Ukraine’s war aims from total liberation to bending the war in Kyiv’s favour, says the senior Ukrainian official.
“It’s an attempt to change the trajectory of the war and bring Russia to the table. Zelenskyy really believes in it.”
Multiple European diplomats who attended last week’s UN General Assembly in New York say there was a tangible shift in the tone and content of discussions around a potential settlement.
They note more openness from Ukrainian officials to discuss the potential for agreeing a ceasefire even while Russian troops remain on their territory, and more frank discussions among western officials about the urgency for a deal.
Ukraine’s new foreign minister, Andrii Sybiha, used private meetings with western counterparts on his first trip to the US in the post to discuss potential compromise solutions, the diplomats said, and struck a more pragmatic tone on the possibility of land-for-security negotiations than his predecessor.
“We’re talking more and more openly about how this ends and what Ukraine would have to give up in order to get a permanent peace deal,” says one of the diplomats, who was present in New York. “And that’s a major change from even six months ago, when this kind of talk was taboo.”
Ukrainian public opinion also appears to be more open to peace talks — but not necessarily to the concessions they may require.
Polling by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology for the National Democratic Institute in the summer showed that 57 per cent of respondents thought Ukraine should engage in peace negotiations with Russia, up from 33 per cent a year earlier.
The survey showed the war was taking an ever heavier toll: 77 per cent of respondents reported the loss of family members, friends or acquaintances, four times as many as two years earlier. Two-thirds said they were finding it difficult or very difficult to live on their wartime income.
Locals pass an installation with a power transformer damaged by a Russian strike in Kyiv. The Kremlin has already destroyed at least half of Ukraine’s power-generating capacity © Alina Smutko/Reuters
Life is about to get even tougher. Russia has destroyed at least half of Ukraine’s power-generating capacity after it resumed mass drone and missile strikes against power stations and grid infrastructure this spring.
Ukraine faces a “severe” electricity deficit of up to 6GW, equivalent to a third of peak winter demand, according the International Energy Agency. It is increasingly dependent on its three remaining operational nuclear power plants, the IEA noted. Were Russia to attack substations adjacent to these plants — despite all the obvious dangers — it could cause Ukraine’s power system to collapse, and with it heating and water supply. Central heating facilities in large cities such as Kharkiv and Kyiv are also vulnerable.
Another source of tension is mobilisation. Under new legislation, millions of Ukrainian men have been compelled to register for possible service or face hefty fines. At the same time, many Ukrainians know of men who have been randomly stopped at metro or train stations, often late at night, and carted off to mobilisation centres, a brief period of training and then the front line.
55%Share of Ukrainians who remain opposed to any formal cession of territory as part of a peace deal, down from a peak of 87 per cent last year
“It is perceived as abusive, worse than if you are a criminal, where there is at least due process,” says Hlib Vyshlinksy, director of the Centre for Economic Strategy in Kyiv. “It tears people apart. The real enemy is Russia, but at the same time they fear a corrupt, abusive enrolment office doing the wrong thing.”
If Ukrainians have warmed to the idea of negotiations, a majority — 55 per cent according to a KIIS polling in May — remain opposed to any formal cession of territory as part of a peace deal.
“People want peace but they are also against territorial concessions. It is hard to reconcile them,” says Merezhko, the chair of the foreign affairs committee.
However, the KIIS survey shows the share of respondents opposed to any territorial concessions has dropped sharply from a peak of 87 per cent early last year. It also found that Ukrainians might be open to a compromise whereby, in return for Ukrainian membership of Nato, Russian maintains de facto control over occupied parts of Ukraine, but not recognised sovereignty.
Other polls suggest Ukrainians are still confident of winning and will be disappointed by anything other than total battlefield victory. The biggest domestic problem for Zelenskyy might come from a nationalist minority opposed to any compromise, some of whom are now armed and trained to fight.
Nato secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg, left, meets Zelenskyy during the UN General Assembly in New York. Ukraine has continued to push for security guarantees from the alliance © Ukranian Presidential Press Service/Handout/AFP/Getty Images
“If you get into any negotiation, it could be a trigger for social instability,” says a Ukrainian official. “Zelenskyy knows this very well.”
“There will always be a radical segment of Ukrainian society that will call any negotiation capitulation. The far right in Ukraine is growing. The right wing is a danger to democracy,” says Merezhko, who is an MP for Zelenskyy’s Servant of the People party.
As the KIIS polling shows, making any deal acceptable that allows Russia to stay in the parts of Ukraine it has seized since its first invasion in 2014 will hinge on obtaining meaningful western security guarantees, which for Kyiv means Nato membership.
“The most important thing for us is security guarantees. Proper ones. Otherwise it won’t end the war; it will just trigger another one,” says a Ukrainian official.
“Land for [Nato] membership is the only game in town, everyone knows it,” says one senior western official. “Nobody will say it out loud . . . but it’s the only strategy on the table.”
Nato membership remains Ukraine’s key goal, but very few of the alliance’s 32 members think it is possible without a full, lasting ceasefire and a defined line on the map that determines what portion of Ukraine’s territory the alliance’s mutual defence clause applies to. The model floated by some is West Germany’s membership of the alliance, which lasted more than three decades before the fall of the Berlin Wall and reunification with the east.
“The West German model is gaining traction particularly in the White House, which has been the most sceptical about Nato membership,” says Shapiro of the ECFR. “The Russians would hate that, but at least it could be some opening gambit for a compromise.”
But even that would require a vast force deployment by the US and its partners that any US administration, Democratic or Republican, would likely balk at, given Washington’s focus on the threat from China. One question would be whether European powers would be willing to shoulder more of the burden.
Zelenskyy signs a shell during a tour of an ammunition plant in Scranton, Pennsylvania. His visit to the swing state accompanied by Democratic politicians drew criticism from Republicans © Ukrainian Presidential Press Service/Handout/AFP/Getty Images
And would Russia accept Ukraine’s entry into the alliance, an alignment with the west it has been trying to thwart militarily for a decade? Many on both sides of the Atlantic say it is unlikely.
“I don’t think Russia would agree to our participation in Nato,” says a senior Ukrainian official.
Anything short of full membership is unlikely to be enough to stop the Kremlin’s military aggression. “Even if we get a Nato invitation, it will mean nothing. It’s a political decision,” adds the senior Ukrainian official.
In what could be his last trip to Europe before standing down as president, Biden will chair a meeting of Ukraine and its allies in Germany on October 12.
A western official briefed on Zelenskyy’s talks in Washington said there were tentative signs that Biden might agree to advance the status of Ukraine’s Nato membership bid before he leaves office in January.
As he left the US this weekend, Zelenskyy said that October would be “decision time”. The Ukrainian leader will once again plead for permission to hit targets inside Russia with western-supplied munitions, knowing that it is one of the few options for bringing hostilities to an end.
“It’s about constraining Russia’s capabilities” and piling on pressure to get them to open talks, says the senior Ukrainian official. “It’s a real chance if we are thinking about resolving this war.”
Most interesting is a Ukrani "far right minority that can fight and is opposed to any ceasefire or deal"
Looks like this is the scam, they will let Trump come to power, who will pull the plug on Ukraine and let Putin make his Akhand Roos
OR
Kamala comes to power, they start pushing Ukranis for negotiated settlement, their pet Zelensky agrees, Zelensky/Govt is then attacked by "Far right militia" or some far right ukrani general and his troops, and this allows the Kamala regime to also pull the plug on Ukraine ending with the same result of Akhand Roos.
They are preparing to dump Ukraine.
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Because Putin is a master at geopolitics and whatever he may be, he is 1000 times more competent at geopolitics than any western leader in the last 30 years.
He knows perfectly well the reality of American power - its not infinite. And the reality of geopolitics: Israel matters a lot more to USA than Ukraine does and USA lacks the capacity to enter a war in the middle east against Iran, in its Iraq/Vietnam/Afghanistan model of 'shock and awe' and still support ukraine enough to keep them alive vs Russia.
Its not a coincidence that middle east blew up a year after Ukraine war and leading the charge in middle east is Russian pyada Iran vs American pyada Israel.
Because both Russia and Iran know - Israel isnt strong enough to invade and neutralize Iran but if Iran escalates, the choice US will face, is between Israel and Ukraine and if they can get USA to commit to Iran, then russia wins in Ukraine in half a year flat and THEN Russia will help Iran kick out the Americans.
What will Iran get out of being the punching bag of USA for Russia's behalf ? Well, apart from keys to the armoury to get any kind of nukes and ballistic missiles and planes, any direct conflict it survives with USA is an auto-victory in the eyes of the Ummah and Iran emerges battered but stronger in the long term, with decisive chops of 'resisting and beating the great satan' in ummah-land.
Ofcourse, this is the worst case scenario for the Rus-Iran axis, their best case scenario is to keep matters just enough at boil in middle east to divert just enough American material that Russia wins in Ukraine AND Iran doesnt get directly invaded but i think they are prepared to deal with the abovementioned worst case scenario for them to escalate so hard in the middle east.
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One more benefit Iran gets is it gets to de-legitimize the AZADEH AZADEH gang as foreign collaborators and traitors, America Fuck Yeah style bombing etc will turn the Irani population back to their mazhub and to jihad from the current feeling of AZADEH
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This war is already lost for US/NATO/Ukraine. Until Biden leaves, it will keep going. The results will be bad for the West, because Russia will not vacate any territory under military pressure. Settlement will be on the lines proposed by India/Modi/Jaishankar. That is Ukraine will be neutralized and Russia will leave Ukraine territory except Crimean.
Hence what has Biden gained….. Nothing, but lost $150 billion in military equipment some of which in Russian hands…… Bad….. bad…… bad for the West.
Hence what has Biden gained….. Nothing, but lost $150 billion in military equipment some of which in Russian hands…… Bad….. bad…… bad for the West.
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They gained a lot, all of the EU is now lining up for US military gear, and chindi and cowardly "peaceful" country like Germany now wants F35s, France's Rafale sales have increased etc.
btw Russia won't leave any territory unless they feel a humiliating military reversal is about to happen, they won't leave as a part of some peace treaty, makes the judo black belt, KGB James Bond and shirt-less horse-riding Leaderji of Russkies look like a little bitch and a waste of Russian blood and treasure to gain that land.
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Russia isnt giving up Donbass or any section of Zaphorizia/Kherson. Thats not happening and, regardless of what Jayshankar may say in public, he knows this to be a fact in reality.
For Russia, at the very minimum, it will require freezing the border along current LoC in Ukraine, because Russia understands geopolitics of its own backyard.
The historic KEY to controlling the black sea is Crimea and the key to controlling Crimea is to have a land bridge to it. Kherson-Zapho-Donbass is that land bridge. Also, as 2014-2022 showed, Crimea has a severe water problem. The only way Crimea gets water is from Dneiper canal and Ukraine shut it off after 2014, causing massive water logistics problem for Russia in crimea.
So Russia is under no shape or form vacating any of the territory it currently holds, for that is the minimum it needs to hold to guarantee Crimea and its canal.
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You don't understand difference between picture and video??
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I already told @GaudaNaresh that we do not have an English-speaking society. I am specially selecting information so that it can be understood here.
I can give you the direct speech of the Danish Minister of Defense, where he talks about these 18 howitzers, but his English words are covered by the Ukrainian translation. Maybe you can understand it.
View: https://youtu.be/sjO9MySul6E?t=646
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Russia supposedly used ODAB-9000 for the first time in Volchansk, may be to vent out the frustration of 100 some loss with 10+ vehicles in ambush!?
It seems they became overconfident and paid a very heavy price.
It seems they became overconfident and paid a very heavy price.
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Many publics write (or rather copy), but I doubt it. To lift such a bomb, you need a Tu-22, which will drop it on the target. For our air defense, this is a gift of fate. Therefore, there are no carpet bombings like in Mariupol.
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The plan seems to be, keep poking ruskis with drone swarms from such 'chusa' countries out of blue or area unexpected, when russia detects and retaliates, cry foul that russia attacked a nato member and invoke the article-5 pact against being attacked.... what a brilliant and simple logic.. specially when total media is controlled( Telegram is done, same as X, to most of the curtail requirement), general public will never know what's happening except the false narrative being gulped down by sold out media. Win win situation
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