Russian Ukrainian War

[Anants]

I have eyes.
Of course, you can see in different ways, but I did not see the terrible destruction in Donetsk.
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You know US Cos and politicos are salivating seeing these pictures? They will get all the rebuilding contracts - and enhance their insane wealth anyways..

Such a beautiful nation destroyed by delusion.

 

[shade2]

Apart from poking Russia.. everything he has done is against Ukraine. A rationale leader would have said Ukraine wont join NATO - and it would have made Russian invasion pointless and would have made her look silly.In that scenario even countries like China would have found difficult in justifying Russian antics.

But Zelensky exactly played in western hands. he danced the way US wanted Ukraine - ie fight Russia till last Ukrainian. Decimating enterprising Ukrainian populace.

You as proud Ukrainian - understand your nature to defend against Russia. But right now Zelensky has put Ukraine in precarious position by all that previous poking the bear.

I still hope you guy sit on table and assuage each other fears and return to old boundaries and better understanding. This war is nothing but profiting two countries US and China. No one else is winning - every one else is loosing - does not matter who wins shooting war.

This is not in the hands of Akim or any average Ukrani.

Zelensky and all the Ukrani elite work for America, the conflict will end when Putin is regime changed( 2 years and still waiting ) or when the Burgers get fedup.

Till then bad things happen to the Ukranian nation and people.

The Ukraine episode shows that you must prevent regime change ops taking place in your neighborhood at any cost.

If Rooskies were serious about shutting down Maidan 2014 this wouldn't have happened.

 

[Boiled_AnDa]

Actually, this was the state of jews....


Sometimes, I think, Zelensky is intentionally fking up the whole ukraine nation!!!!! just to take revenge of the deeds of ukrainians( soviet era) on jews!!!!
He intentionally Involved ( was made to though) a cold war era rival to russia's doorstep, and further boostered it to make russia more agitated to react. He rejected each and every button to peace or any negotiation, even mocked russia by unilaterally holding peace talks in 3rd party nation, that too excluding russia!!!!!!!!!!. He forced his army to repeatedly attack/counterattack each and every fruitless front where 90% sent never returned back for next round of rotation...
Made so much hauuuuua of his promised surprise counter attack in 23 that russia had no left point of surprise to counter that... resulting a carnage and total failure.
The latest feather, when ukraine was somehow gaining world sympathy and was succeeding defending most of the fronts stalling russian advance, he redirected most of the elites and mechanised units from southern fortresses to invade russian mainland and to capture russian nuclear plant in a supposed surprise move. Which resulted as an utter failure except occupying some 30x40 km mostly flat open land with 4 front flanked position. Now ukraine has to keep pouring in soldiers and machineries in the invaded land just to save its tough guy face to it's so called allies depriving the fronts collapsing under russian attacks. Thanks to this move- even NATO members are now in split, to whether continuing supporting ukraine further more.....

This man is the true trojan horse- in my view.

 

[WW2historian]

I'm not talking about morale, I'm talking about technological superiority. Yesterday, two "Kinzhal" were shot down over Kiev and one Iskander-M over Odesa (unfortunately, they didn't shoot down second). They find 60% of contraband electronics in them. (USA, Switzerland, Taiwan, Japan). So America is able to meet its needs, Russia is not.

Russia is able to easily get around sanctions. Posters here have shown how easily they do it. So, doesn't that mean Russia is able to meet it's needs? The US hasn't been able to meet the need of stopping Russia from getting around the sanctions.

 

[Akim]

Your country is fighting for US interests right now.
Before Maidan 2014 regime change I doubt Ukranians considered Russians as "the enemy".

Now suddenly Western media has us believe the the UKR-RUS relationship is like Poland and Russia all along.

Your guys are given half assed material support on purpose just to be cannon fodder and bleed Russia in order to cause some regime change antics there and not defeat it which will cause a balkanization of Russia.

They want Russia intact, but without Putin and his siloviki/intelligence clique, and they will fight till the last Ukranian to get it, that is the reason they don't let you use long range missiles or overdo the drone attacks on Russian territory

Accept the truth that y'all have been had by the West, irrespective of the battlefield situation your men are dead, your towns are bombed out, meanwhile Russkie lands are mostly free of the type of destruction you have faced, many Russians were allowed to escape to neighboring countries while their minorities were fed into the meatgrinder of the war.
However in your context your own men are fed into the meatgrinder because you have no minorities.

Perhaps in the future the West and Russia will come to a peace agreement where they get to keep the land that they grabbed plus some more, but your guys will be in the ground, widows weeping for them, kids orphaned and your country in ruins as a basket case.

Such is the West, and it's "sudden allies" who are just use and throw condoms.

Or rather, before the annexation of Crimea. I and many others were on the side of Antimaidan, but a neighbor intervened in a family dispute, for which he will get a punch in the teeth from his wife and husband.
Indeed, the West does not give us everything we need or gives it slowly (for various reasons). Here is the latest news: France has postponed the transfer of Mirage 2000-5 for another 3 months. The reason is the installation of the equipment we need. Their military-industrial complex was not ready for such intensity. You once asked what AD systems we use. Everything we can, even the old Hawks. In general, they are not that old and were modernized in 1998 and this is definitely better than the unmodernized S-125s that we returned from the reserve.
The West does not give us all the weapons, but we produce them ourselves. Why did BAE System decide to open its own M777 production here. Because they saw the towed Bogdana-BG with a barrel length of 52 calibers and learned that soon they would start producing its lightweight analogue with a barrel length of 39 calibers. The "Palyanytsya" cruise missile has flown and the army GB wants its own analogue. There are no complaints about the company itself; a wide range of weapons will still be produced there. That's just I want to understand: the British have now allocated us $4.3 billion to buy British weapons. These products will be accounted for there or paid for through government procurement. So all this is being done slowly and we want it to be done faster.
There is a theory: If the West had given us all the weapons we need in 2022, the war could have ended then. Remember, that's when the cartoon "Putler-rat hides behind a nuclear briefcase" appeared. But the West chose the tactic of strangulation. The result will be the same, but we will suffer more.

You know US Cos and politicos are salivating seeing these pictures? They will get all the rebuilding contracts - and enhance their insane wealth anyways..

Such a beautiful nation destroyed by delusion.

It is no secret that the US is solving its own interests. We have a symbiosis.

Russia is able to easily get around sanctions. Posters here have shown how easily they do it. So, doesn't that mean Russia is able to meet it's needs? The US hasn't been able to meet the need of stopping Russia from getting around the sanctions.

Iran has been bypassing sanctions since the 80s. The difference is in volume. A wagon is always bigger than a semi-trailer. Of course, now Russia's priorities have changed and the chip that a civilian factory needs is sent to war, but the sanctions are working. Putler himself said on June 14 that one of the conditions for starting peace talks is the lifting of sanctions.

 

[Soldier35]

South Korean Defense Minister Kim Yong Hyun said in a speech in parliament that the DPRK could send troops to Ukraine to support Russia. According to him, "Since Russia and North Korea have signed a mutual treaty similar to a military alliance, the possibility of such a deployment is very likely." In September 2023, Vladimir Putin met with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un at the Vostochny Cosmodrome, the meeting lasted more than five hours. After that, Western media reported that DPRK citizens could be recruited to participate in hostilities in Ukraine. Earlier, Volodymyr Zelensky also accused Pyongyang of supporting Russia. The Russian and North Korean sides deny this information.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8mciMUcbkU

 

[Vishnugupt]

I think,

It's True infact.
Zelensky is a double agent. Israeli want to punish all Nazi supporters and Ukraine was a hot spot of Nazi movement in the Europe. Ukraine could be the only country in Europe where Nazism is not banned by law.

When Zelensky hide in Bunker and cut off all communication from outer world ( According to Stoltenberg ) then Israeli prime minister Naftali Bennett negotiated with Putin to spare Zelensky life ( Naftali Bennett himself admitted )

 

[Hari Sud]

War is fairly well lost for Ukraine.

Zelensky who was asking for long range weapons to target Russia far away behind the battle lines is not having success. Russia has clearly told Zelensky that any long range targeting of Russia with NATO weapons will be the beginning of the WW3. Because Russia will target NATO countries if long range weapons are used against Russia. With escalating war between Israel and Arabs/Iran, US will find it hard to handle two wars concurrently. Hence Zelensky wish is unlikely to be filled.

Hence, there is only way out is peace and ceasefire on proposals put forward by Modi. That will give honorable settlement for both parties.

 

[Blademaster]

War is fairly well lost for Ukraine.

Zelensky who was asking for long range weapons to target Russia far away behind the battle lines is not having success. Russia has clearly told Zelensky that any long range targeting of Russia with NATO weapons will be the beginning of the WW3. Because Russia will target NATO countries if long range weapons are used against Russia. With escalating war between Israel and Arabs/Iran, US will find it hard to handle two wars concurrently. Hence Zelensky wish is unlikely to be filled.

Hence, there is only way out is peace and ceasefire on proposals put forward by Modi. That will give honorable settlement for both parties.

Russia needs to repay back the favor to the Baltic states one day soon.

 

[Anants]

It is no secret that the US is solving its own interests. We have a symbiosis.

I dont see any symbiosis. Symbiosis leads to mutual benefit, sustainment and even growth of two participating entities in Symbiosis.

In your case I only see two leeches stuck on Ukrainian Country. One is West led by US and other is Zelensky - both sucking Ukraine out blood, people, money and resources.

 

[Akim]

Funny. And about Nazism and mediation too.
I am one of the few who like the mysterious culture of India, but even I do not believe in its mediation.
Recently there was a social survey "Which of the big political players do you trust as a mediator". Less than 5% chose the option India. Even China gained 18% support.
This is the influence of India on our society - it is nonexistent.

I dont see any symbiosis. Symbiosis leads to mutual benefit, sustainment and even growth of two participating entities in Symbiosis.

In your case I only see two leeches stuck on Ukrainian Country. One is West led by US and other is Zelensky - both sucking Ukraine out blood, people, money and resources.

I will leave your comment unanswered because you already know my version.

 

[Akim]

Regarding North Korea. Well, you probably already know that last week 6 North Korean officers were killed and three were wounded.
Here's the news: The Russians showed a rare howitzer D-74. What's interesting is that this is an "export" howitzer and by the 70s of the last century the USSR got rid of them.
It has a caliber of 122 mm, but uses a rare ammunition, where the casing from a 130 mm shell is modified.
There are no such howitzers and ammunition in Russia, but they are in North Korea. Apparently, it performs the same function here as the M-46 - counter-battery warfare.

 

[WW2historian]

You won't like my answer.
The real cannon fodder is the soldiers from India in 1939-45, who fought for the interests of the British Empire thousands of miles from home, while we are fighting for our country

Were all the US soldiers killed in Europe and Asia, cannon fodder? I don't think it was worth hundreds of thousands of US lives, but they sure do brain wash people into thinking it was.

 

[Akim]

Were all the US soldiers killed in Europe and Asia, cannon fodder? I don't think it was worth hundreds of thousands of US lives, but they sure do brain wash people into thinking it was.

Your question is strange. The USA is a sovereign country and protects its interests in the way it chooses.
When there were Franco-British wars on American territory, the English colonists were cannon fodder for the British crown.
You can blame President Wilson for this, that he dragged your country into WW1, but in WW2 it was Germany that declared war on the US.

 

[Soldier35]

An episode of high-speed mine clearance in Ukraine, a Russian T-72 tank, with a mine trawl of an unknown model. The T-72 tank cleared six mines, but then something went wrong, the crew abandoned the tank. The location of the filming is not reported.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP0t64Mech4

 

[Soldier35]

Footage of an unknown model of Russian FPV drone striking a Ukrainian AMX-10RC wheeled tank, made in France, has been published. The AMX-10 RC reconnaissance armored vehicle is equipped with a 105 mm gun, and since its use in Ukraine was not very successful, the 37th Marine Brigade of Ukraine uses it as mobile artillery. As a result of the FPV drone attack, a fire started in the AMX-10 combat vehicle, which completely destroyed it.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zfClvCAkIY

 

[WW2historian]

Your question is strange. The USA is a sovereign country and protects its interests in the way it chooses.
When there were Franco-British wars on American territory, the English colonists were cannon fodder for the British crown.
You can blame President Wilson for this, that he dragged your country into WW1, but in WW2 it was Germany that declared war on the US.

You said the US protects its interests, which is the same as it's self interests. For example: "While Americans admire Ukraine's fight against a much larger foe, it also affects U.S. self-interests. "In the end, we are doing this so that Americans can be secure at home and abroad," she said."
You see when it really comes down to it, it's all about what we want and not what Ukraine wants. I'm sure most Ukrainians want to live in peace, but that's not what the US wanted. It's amazingly simple to understand. https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3737058/

I have to add that that report is all bullshit. It's all about money and power. The US and Europe sees the money potential and profit they can get if Ukraine joins NATO and the European union. Its a risky investment, but great profit does involve risk. I'm sure now the west realizes their bet didn't work out and they are going to have to cut their losses, but that just business as usual.

 

[Blademaster]

You won't like my answer.
The real cannon fodder is the soldiers from India in 1939-45, who fought for the interests of the British Empire thousands of miles from home, while we are fighting for our country.

Shows how clueless you are about India's formation as an independent nation. If it wasn't for that battle-hardened WWII army returning back from abroad, India's independence would have taken much longer and be more bloody. When the British realized what a monster they created and had no hopes of controlling it, they quickly assigned themselves to the task of leaving India and getting out expeditiously as much as they could. Do not believe in the myths about Gandhi and British's sense of fairness and justice. It's all propaganda BS. When India left the British Empire, the British Empire fell apart and Britain was longer a great empire, a remarkable change as compared to 27 years prior when at 1917, British was the largest empire in the world and at its most powerful. Its navy was the biggest and supreme in the world until 1943-1944.

 

[RocketMan]

This war is lost for Ukraine.

 

[Akim]

You said the US protects its interests, which is the same as it's self interests. For example: "While Americans admire Ukraine's fight against a much larger foe, it also affects U.S. self-interests. "In the end, we are doing this so that Americans can be secure at home and abroad," she said."
You see when it really comes down to it, it's all about what we want and not what Ukraine wants. I'm sure most Ukrainians want to live in peace, but that's not what the US wanted. It's amazingly simple to understand. https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3737058/

I have to add that that report is all bullshit. It's all about money and power. The US and Europe sees the money potential and profit they can get if Ukraine joins NATO and the European union. Its a risky investment, but great profit does involve risk. I'm sure now the west realizes their bet didn't work out and they are going to have to cut their losses, but that just business as usual.

It has been known since ancient times that money is the blood of war.
So it is really a question of money. But I do not see the essence of profit; joining NATO - after this war there will be no need for it. We have different ultimate goals with the USA. We want the collapse of Russia, the USA wants a change of power there.
As for economic investments, there are examples of American investments pouring into the economy - these are Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan. I do not see lithium and shale gas production here, or the modernization of titanium and uranium mines.
As for military support, it is indeed decreasing, although it depends on how you count. On Monday, the Dutch Minister of Defense arrived in Ukraine and announced the transfer of the first batch of F-16MLU.
Denmark led the start of deliveries back in August.
Yesterday there was news that Germany is transferring to us another 2 IRIS-T batteries (SLM and SLS). This was at the beginning of the war, they transferred to us all the "dead" armored vehicles from the GDR reserves, because we could restore them ourselves. Now they are restoring their IFVs themselves and transferring them to us in small batches.

But the West is doing everything slowly, because it continues to live in peacetime. I have already shown a video with the Danish Defense Minister, where he talks about manufactured 12 SPGs. If they place this order in France, then we would have to wait a year for its completion. Ukraine made them in 2.5 months.
Of course, we want it faster. Yesterday evening, two Iskander-M flew to Odesa and killed 5 people and wounded 10. They could not intercept them. This means that we need more AD complexes.
So your pessimistic forecasts are not coming true. The Russians are really causing us trouble, but there is no strategic turning point in their favor.