Russian Ukrainian War

[Vishnugupt]

How do you know what we have? There was no need for military uranium before. Why is Putin so eager to get to Kharkiv - that's where Ukraine's nuclear technology center is.
You didn't understand again. I said that if these countries see that US promises are equivalent to toilet paper, they are quite capable of creating nuclear weapons to protect themselves.

I know Akim. You have nothing except delusions.
Your masters in the west just using you for a purpose.

 

[karn]

Musk is a genius in science, but in politics he is like a 10-year-old child. Ukrainians want peace, but a fair one. A fair peace is the borders of 1991.
I have already said: if Trump stops funding, we will find something else. Zelensky already mentioned the frozen 300 billion in Budapest.
Concessions to the aggressor led the world to WW2.

The 300 billion is from russias foreign reserves .. which is the first thing that will be unfrozen when negotiations begin.

 

[WW2historian]

Norway has $2 trillion in reserves. Negotiations are already underway for a $100 billion loan.

It won't matter. Ukraine is finished.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14vBSaCuSdA

 

[Akim]

The 300 billion is from russias foreign reserves .. which is the first thing that will be unfrozen when negotiations begin

I conveyed his idea. Personally, I and 63% of Ukrainian society are against negotiations. Either all or nothing.

 

[karn]

I conveyed his idea. Personally, I and 63% of Ukrainian society are against negotiations. Either all or nothing.

The opinion of your population is irrelevant.
When the Americans decide it's time to pack up and leave they do so and shed tears in their homes from across the ocean . It has happened with every proxy force that they have backed ..

 

[Akim]

It won't matter. Ukraine is finished.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14vBSaCuSdA

Купи карту лапоть (с)
Indeed, there is a small Russian advance at the front. There were even breakthroughs into which the Russians did not throw reserves, because there are none. Due to the high urbanization of the region (town after town), an illusion of victory arises. Look how much victory "costs" them - that's why there were no reserves to break into the breakthrough.

 

[Akim]

The opinion of your population is irrelevant.
When the Americans decide it's time to pack up and leave they do so and shed tears in their homes from across the ocean . It has happened with every proxy force that they have backed ..

I have already said that American aid can be replaced.

 

[shade2]

The opinion of your population is irrelevant.
When the Americans decide it's time to pack up and leave they do so and shed tears in their homes from across the ocean . It has happened with every proxy force that they have backed ..

I am calling it that Akim will be the #1 west hater in the forum after they get a Non "1991 Borders" settlement/cease-fire or total defeat and the Burgers pull the plug before or after.

aside from him maybe the whole country.

Don't think your average ANA grunt, Kurdish insurgent or Sooth Vietnam grunt had any warm feelings for free&demoracy country after they got dumped.

 

[karn]

I have already said that American aid can be replaced.

Everyone born in this world has the god given right to hope.

 

[karn]

I am calling it that Akim will be the #1 west hater in the forum after they get a Non "1991 Borders" settlement/cease-fire or total defeat and the Burgers pull the plug before or after.

aside from him maybe the whole country.

Don't think your average ANA grunt, Kurdish insurgent or Sooth Vietnam grunt had any warm feelings for free&demoracy country after they got dumped.

Pretty much .. I was reading old new york times articles ... The amount of vitriol they had for the south Vietnamese govt was actually insane.

 

[Akim]

Everyone born in this world has the god given right to hope.

By the way, the Americans themselves can provide the money, but in the form of a loan. Then there will be an option like with Slovakia, which does not help us, but gladly sells us weapons and ammunition.

 

[karn]

By the way, the Americans themselves can provide the money, but in the form of a loan. Then there will be an option like with Slovakia, which does not help us, but gladly sells us weapons and ammunition.

I am not arguing with you, anything is possible after all. I am personally skeptical about loans because when the borrower is desperate the "collateral" is always something unbearable. It can be anything from mineral rights to agricultural land.
I am only warning you about the fickle nature of the americans . If things are too difficult outside of their own territory, they do not care ... they will try to find something face saving and exit... leaving you to hold the bag.

 

[Akim]

I am not arguing with you, anything is possible after all. I am personally skeptical about loans because when the borrower is desperate the "collateral" is always something unbearable. It can be anything from mineral rights to agricultural land.
I am only warning you about the fickle nature of the americans . If things are too difficult outside of their own territory, they do not care ... they will try to find something face saving and exit... leaving you to hold the bag.

Now I'm watching the Soviet film "Flight 222", it was based on a true story, when a Soviet ballet dancer decided to stay in the USA, and his wife wanted to return to Moscow and the airbus (Il-62M) with her was not allowed to leave New York. In the end - they let her out. In the film, a representative of the Soviet consulate said: “We’ll sit them all out and they’ll get tired of it.” That's what Putler does. He waits until everyone gets tired of it. But we are also from the USSR and we will not stop fighting, because we know their deception.

 

[shade2]

Now I'm watching the Soviet film "Flight 222", it was based on a true story, when a Soviet ballet dancer decided to stay in the USA, and his wife wanted to return to Moscow and the airbus (Il-62M) with her was not allowed to leave New York. In the end - they let her out. In the film, a representative of the Soviet consulate said: “We’ll sit them all out and they’ll get tired of it.” That's what Putler does. He waits until everyone gets tired of it. But we are also from the USSR and we will not stop fighting, because we know their deception.

Y'all don't have the relevant supplies my dude.

Euros don't have enough/can't produce enough, and the accursed Amerisharts will not give you what you need, when you need it even though they have plenty of stocks from the Cold War just like the Roosies

And above all y'all need more dudes to fight, don't think any 3rd country will supply those.

Just survive this war and don't get caught by russies, that's the only thing you can do, "fight till 1991 borders" or "accept ceasefire-freeze and get NATO membership" is a Ukr Govt decision.

It is one thing to die in defense of country, it is another thing that your death more than for country is just meant to BLeEd ThE GoDDaMnEd RuSsIaNs to some snake sitting in Washington

 

[Akim]

Y'all don't have the relevant supplies my dude.

Euros don't have enough/can't produce enough, and the accursed Amerisharts will not give you what you need, when you need it even though they have plenty of stocks from the Cold War just like the Roosies

And above all y'all need more dudes to fight, don't think any 3rd country will supply those.

Just survive this war and don't get caught by russies, that's the only thing you can do, "fight till 1991 borders" or "accept ceasefire-freeze and get NATO membership" is a Ukr Govt decision.

It is one thing to die in defense of country, it is another thing that your death more than for country is just meant to BLeEd ThE GoDDaMnEd RuSsIaNs to some snake sitting in Washington

You quote my phrase and do not understand its meaning. We know who the enemy is.
The US is not the only source of funding. The EU allocates twice as much money. But Europe did not have as many weapons as the US. The US made many promises. We have only one Patriot system of American manufacture (although they promised 5). The rest of the Patriot systems are German-made.
But this is not a reason to end the fight.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Musk is a genius in science, but in politics he is like a 10-year-old child. Ukrainians want peace, but a fair one. A fair peace is the borders of 1991.
I have already said: if Trump stops funding, we will find something else. Zelensky already mentioned the frozen 300 billion in Budapest.
Concessions to the aggressor led the world to WW2.

Sadly my friend, as far as ground realities go, there is no feasible way for Ukraine to get back the lost territories. Russia stands to annex that land and bulk of NATO has war fatigue now, despite not even committing a single regular. The reduced support from USA leaves a big vacuum that the subsidiaries like South Korea and UK can't fulfill. Ukraine can keep on fighting for now, but going on an offensive is no longer feasible. And no, the frozen Russian funds are not accessible by Ukraine. Americans couldn't even liquidate frozen Afghani money, and this is Russia's. The economic backlash will be severe around the globe, and countries will start scrambling to move their money in and out. Contrary to the possibility of WW3 that you are entertaining, the world economy today can neither support, nor afford that. Even your current allies will rather let Russians keep the land with an ironclad guarantee. And Russians will be happy to honor that deal as long as NATO assets do not enter a demilitarized Ukraine. The war is costly for them too after all. As long as nuclear weapons are a factor, many concessions will be given. After all, none of these countries stand to lose anything if Russia takes some Ukrainian land and ends the conflict for good. If anything these countries are raring to see their pockets stop leaking out. You should have kept your nukes.​

 

[karn]

Now I'm watching the Soviet film "Flight 222", it was based on a true story, when a Soviet ballet dancer decided to stay in the USA, and his wife wanted to return to Moscow and the airbus (Il-62M) with her was not allowed to leave New York. In the end - they let her out. In the film, a representative of the Soviet consulate said: “We’ll sit them all out and they’ll get tired of it.” That's what Putler does. He waits until everyone gets tired of it. But we are also from the USSR and we will not stop fighting, because we know their deception.

Yup frozen conflict is the best russian dish .. Im sure you will never accept a formal annexation but defacto the russians will have their territory. Your condition will be not be so strange . South and north korea do not have a formal peace declaration . Neither has India accepted territorial loss on invasions of our territory.
Nobody accepts Israels annexation of the golan heights etc etc/

 

[shade2]

Sadly my friend, as far as ground realities go, there is no feasible way for Ukraine to get back the lost territories. Russia stands to annex that land and bulk of NATO has war fatigue now, despite not even committing a single regular. The reduced support from USA leaves a big vacuum that the subsidiaries like South Korea and UK can't fulfill. Ukraine can keep on fighting for now, but going on an offensive is no longer feasible. And no, the frozen Russian funds are not accessible by Ukraine. Americans couldn't even liquidate frozen Afghani money, and this is Russia's. The economic backlash will be severe around the globe, and countries will start scrambling to move their money in and out. Contrary to the possibility of WW3 that you are entertaining, the world economy today can neither support, nor afford that. Even your current allies will rather let Russians keep the land with an ironclad guarantee. And Russians will be happy to honor that deal as long as NATO assets do not enter a demilitarized Ukraine. The war is costly for them too after all. As long as nuclear weapons are a factor, many concessions will be given. After all, none of these countries stand to lose anything if Russia takes some Ukrainian land and ends the conflict for good. If anything these countries are raring to see their pockets stop leaking out. You should have kept your nukes.​

They are already doing that, since past 2 years we have repatriated many tons of our gold held at Bank of Englund.

Many random countries want to be a part of BRICS today simply because Russkie and Chini are peddling a non-Western alternative to SWIFT and a BRICS currency to use in place of the US dolla.

Amerisharts have shot themselves in the foot long term thinking this is the early 00s where they reign supreme, China is still their handmaiden and Russia is still in the "whore-out-my-country" phase

 

[Akim]

Yup frozen conflict is the best russian dish .. Im sure you will never accept a formal annexation but defacto the russians will have their territory. Your condition will be not be so strange . South and north korea do not have a formal peace declaration . Neither has India accepted territorial loss on invasions of our territory.
Nobody accepts Israels annexation of the golan heights etc etc/

Is the war over and has the shooting stopped? I don't see many examples of military equipment in the battles that were given to us by Western partners, but I see that the number of M-30 howitzers on the Russian side is increasing.

 

[karn]

Is the war over and has the shooting stopped? I don't see many examples of military equipment in the battles that were given to us by Western partners, but I see that the number of M-30 howitzers on the Russian side is increasing.

My friend you are using leopard 1s .. Not just you but european nato is scraping the barrel to provide you with arms . Gloating over russian losses is irrelevant as they are capturing territory with whatever outdated weapons that they have.
Im just describing to you what a peace negotiation outcome looks like ... The korean DMZ is simply the ceasefire line . The Indian border with pakistan in kashmir is called "line of control" and with china the "line of actual control" these lines are glorified ceasefire lines and these are maintained by the "right of the strong" no political party in either country can or will give up its claims to historical territory, but do not mistake this with actual ownership of the land.