Russian Ukrainian War

Putin made a strategic mistake when he withdrew from Kiev. He should have commit more forces and take Kiev. War would have ended two years ago.
 
Blademaster said:
Putin made a strategic mistake when he withdrew from Kiev. He should have commit more forces and take Kiev. War would have ended two years ago.
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The whole invasion was based on a retarded premise of ez-pz regime change like the one time they invaded Hungary or like how they saved the Kazakh President's ass from regime change protestors.

They were totally unprepared and paid the price
If they were serious they would have gone for a multi pronged invasion including Odessa
 
shade2 said:
The whole invasion was based on a retarded premise of ez-pz regime change like the one time they invaded Hungary or like how they saved the Kazakh President's ass from regime change protestors.

They were totally unprepared and paid the price
If they were serious they would have gone for a multi pronged invasion including Odessa
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No they prepared but their assumptions were vastly wrong. And their logistic chains were not simply up to the task. They had 8 years to prepare.
 
Blademaster said:
No they prepared but their assumptions were vastly wrong. And their logistic chains were not simply up to the task. They had 8 years to prepare.
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No, shade is correct.
Putin tried shock & awe in Kiev campaign and it backfired disastrously. Russia basically lost several thousand troops and did a tactical retreat and re-deployed in the donbass. That is Kiev campaign in a nutshell.
The reason it didnt work isnt because Russia didnt try, it didnt work is because Ukraine was prepared to fight and Russia didnt think Ukraine was prepared to fight- thats why when Russians paradropped their VDV into the airport right outside Kiev, the VDV got massacred and the Russians were in for a rude shock.

And to be honest, this is not the first time russia has bungled an attack on a much, much smaller enemy but Russia still has the capacity to grind its way to a victory against a lesser entity like Ukraine, even though it is probably at its weakest ever state in the last 200 years to project power.
 
GaudaNaresh said:
No, shade is correct.
Putin tried shock & awe in Kiev campaign and it backfired disastrously. Russia basically lost several thousand troops and did a tactical retreat and re-deployed in the donbass. That is Kiev campaign in a nutshell.
The reason it didnt work isnt because Russia didnt try, it didnt work is because Ukraine was prepared to fight and Russia didnt think Ukraine was prepared to fight- thats why when Russians paradropped their VDV into the airport right outside Kiev, the VDV got massacred and the Russians were in for a rude shock.

And to be honest, this is not the first time russia has bungled an attack on a much, much smaller enemy but Russia still has the capacity to grind its way to a victory against a lesser entity like Ukraine, even though it is probably at its weakest ever state in the last 200 years to project power.
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That was also during the supposed peace talks that were agreed and which BoJo supposedly scuttled by asking Ukraine to fight till the last man. Unclear what actually happened at that time.
 
GaudaNaresh said:
No, shade is correct.
Putin tried shock & awe in Kiev campaign and it backfired disastrously. Russia basically lost several thousand troops and did a tactical retreat and re-deployed in the donbass. That is Kiev campaign in a nutshell.
The reason it didnt work isnt because Russia didnt try, it didnt work is because Ukraine was prepared to fight and Russia didnt think Ukraine was prepared to fight- thats why when Russians paradropped their VDV into the airport right outside Kiev, the VDV got massacred and the Russians were in for a rude shock.

And to be honest, this is not the first time russia has bungled an attack on a much, much smaller enemy but Russia still has the capacity to grind its way to a victory against a lesser entity like Ukraine, even though it is probably at its weakest ever state in the last 200 years to project power.
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The VDV were not massacred. They captured the airport and kept it until Putin decided to withdraw.

They went all the way to Kiev. Their intelligence agencies dropped the ball when they failed to prevent Kiev defenders from flooding the passed into Kiev. But still they could have kept it if they kept the logistic lines open and bring in more forces. Kiev was the fulcrum.
 
The Natzis wanted Russia to do a Shock and Awe and take Kiev. They never planned to fight a conventional battle with Russia for so many years. The plan was that Russia will take Kiev and declare victory and then will be bled dry by an extended insurgency campaign centered in Galicia and supported by Poland. Basically Afghanistan 2.0.

Russia turned the tables on them and now it is the Eurofags, Natzis and the Galicians who are being bled to death.
 
craigs said:
The Natzis wanted Russia to do a Shock and Awe and take Kiev. They never planned to fight a conventional battle with Russia for so many years. The plan was that Russia will take Kiev and declare victory and then will be bled dry by an extended insurgency campaign centered in Galicia and supported by Poland. Basically Afghanistan 2.0.

Russia turned the tables on them and now it is the Eurofags, Natzis and the Galicians who are being bled to death.
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No. Once Kiev was taken over, half of the population would have been swayed over and accept that the western world was wrong. Putin would have stopped at the Dnieper river. Maybe he would have pushed all the way to Odessa to deny Ukraine access to the Black Sea and to reach Tranistria.
 
This pattern is tragic. I don't get it at all. A battalion is about a thousand soldiers. They said there were 2 or 3 battalions in the southern pocket of Velyka Novosilka. They also say because Ukrainian battalions are so depleted there might of been only a few hundred left. I'm sure at one point they were at full strength and is shows just how many soldiers Zelensky is getting killed by not retreating in time. I'm surprised that freedom of the press still exists in Ukraine. This source is the Kyiv independent.

kyivindependent.com

Potential encirclement in Velyka Novosilka prompts questions about last-ditch withdrawal strategy

Thrusting forward with their vast manpower advantage, Russian troops are gradually penetrating Ukrainian defenses on the western edge of Donetsk Oblast and are close to capturing Velyka Novosilka. Located about 15 kilometers east of the neighboring Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, the vital road-junction...
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kyivindependent.com

Ukrainian soldiers recall retreat from Avdiivka – on foot, leaving their wounded behind

Editor’s Note: The Kyiv Independent does not disclose the soldiers’ full names since they were not authorized to speak with the press. DONETSK OBLAST – As Russian forces closed in on a Ukrainian pocket southeast of Avdiivka, infantryman Oleh heard the order clearly: “There will be no...
kyivindependent.com kyivindependent.com
 
craigs said:
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.... How long did the Second Chechen "war" last?
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Europussies arent radical muslims in a third world society.
Insurgency and europe is as compatible these days as blue hair is with trad values. No one is even an iota scared of any euro insurgency because all Russia would have to do is bring in a dump truck full of hookers and blow and the insurgency is gone in 10 min flat.
 
Footage of the attack of the Russian FPV drone "Prince Vandal Novgorodsky" on a rare Ukrainian Bärgningsbandvagn 90 ARV. The Bgbv 90 repair and recovery vehicle was created on the basis of the CV-90 IFV in Sweden in the first half of the 90s. The Bgbv 90 ARV is valued by the troops, as it is capable of evacuating not only Leopard 2 tanks but also Abrams tanks. The Bgbv 90 ARV is equipped with a crane, a rotating winch, welding and other repair equipment. A 7.62 mm M / 39S machine gun is used for protection. The Bgbv 90 crew is four people. The video was filmed during an attempt to break through the Ukrainian Bgbv 90 ARV from the Sumy region of Ukraine to the Kursk region of Russia. External filming was not carried out.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DtmSD1WLnI
 
An episode of a battle by Russian Special Operations Forces (SSO), presumably in one of the rear areas of Ukraine, has been published. The video shows the storming of a stronghold of the Ukrainian army. The Russian Special Operations Forces detachment used several subgroups. One "attack" subgroup made a passage in the barriers, snipers worked to protect the perimeter. The second "capture" subgroup carries out a direct assault on the stronghold. The third "support" subgroup cuts off possible routes of assistance from enemy reserves and ensures the withdrawal of the assault group to the assembly point after completing the task. As a result of the SSO operation, the stronghold was captured, an unknown Ukrainian unit was captured, the video has been shortened.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAs-4UtDk_4
 
Blademaster said:
No. Once Kiev was taken over, half of the population would have been swayed over and accept that the western world was wrong. Putin would have stopped at the Dnieper river. Maybe he would have pushed all the way to Odessa to deny Ukraine access to the Black Sea and to reach Tranistria.
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Right now most of Ukraine's population has realized that the west is breaking it's many promises. That will make it easier for Putin to sway Ukraine's population to blame Zelensky and the radical right wing nationalist for destroying Ukraine. They will also see how Russia is rebuilding cities like Mariupol.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-jpi5k8XA
 
Blademaster said:
No they prepared but their assumptions were vastly wrong. And their logistic chains were not simply up to the task. They had 8 years to prepare.
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Blademaster said:
The VDV were not massacred. They captured the airport and kept it until Putin decided to withdraw.

They went all the way to Kiev. Their intelligence agencies dropped the ball when they failed to prevent Kiev defenders from flooding the passed into Kiev. But still they could have kept it if they kept the logistic lines open and bring in more forces. Kiev was the fulcrum.
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Blademaster said:
No. Once Kiev was taken over, half of the population would have been swayed over and accept that the western world was wrong. Putin would have stopped at the Dnieper river. Maybe he would have pushed all the way to Odessa to deny Ukraine access to the Black Sea and to reach Tranistria.
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Their scheme was to do a regime-change in Kiev by force, like the US did to Panama in the 80s or how USSR did to Hungary in the 60s or 50s, don't remember.

Their expectation was not of a strong military push-back but civilian chimpouts and so they also brought along riot police and paramilitaries.

If the regime change would have succeeded then Ukraine would be a Russian vassal as before with Russian bases across it's territory.

If this was a land-grab they would have had different tactics including amphibious landings and a push to grab Odessa and Nikolaiv and the Kherson oblast, cutting off Ukraine from Black Sea access aside from an invasion of eastern Ukraine.
 
Corvus Splendens said:
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www.newsweek.com

Donald Trump's "100 day" Ukraine peace plan leaked: Report

A Ukrainian outlet has leaked Trump's alleged peace plan to end the war in Ukraine, which involves barring Kyiv from joining NATO.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
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Sounds like a great deal for Zelensky and the rest of Ukraine. I hope Trump doesn't believe that this is a stalemate like Marco Rubio has claimed. Putin won't except this deal even if Zelensky does, which he won't. It looks like it will be settled on the battlefield.
 
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