Russian Ukrainian War

[Blademaster]

Putin made a strategic mistake when he withdrew from Kiev. He should have commit more forces and take Kiev. War would have ended two years ago.

 

[shade2]

Putin made a strategic mistake when he withdrew from Kiev. He should have commit more forces and take Kiev. War would have ended two years ago.

The whole invasion was based on a retarded premise of ez-pz regime change like the one time they invaded Hungary or like how they saved the Kazakh President's ass from regime change protestors.

They were totally unprepared and paid the price
If they were serious they would have gone for a multi pronged invasion including Odessa

 

[Blademaster]

The whole invasion was based on a retarded premise of ez-pz regime change like the one time they invaded Hungary or like how they saved the Kazakh President's ass from regime change protestors.

They were totally unprepared and paid the price
If they were serious they would have gone for a multi pronged invasion including Odessa

No they prepared but their assumptions were vastly wrong. And their logistic chains were not simply up to the task. They had 8 years to prepare.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

No they prepared but their assumptions were vastly wrong. And their logistic chains were not simply up to the task. They had 8 years to prepare.

No, shade is correct.
Putin tried shock & awe in Kiev campaign and it backfired disastrously. Russia basically lost several thousand troops and did a tactical retreat and re-deployed in the donbass. That is Kiev campaign in a nutshell.
The reason it didnt work isnt because Russia didnt try, it didnt work is because Ukraine was prepared to fight and Russia didnt think Ukraine was prepared to fight- thats why when Russians paradropped their VDV into the airport right outside Kiev, the VDV got massacred and the Russians were in for a rude shock.

And to be honest, this is not the first time russia has bungled an attack on a much, much smaller enemy but Russia still has the capacity to grind its way to a victory against a lesser entity like Ukraine, even though it is probably at its weakest ever state in the last 200 years to project power.

 

[Roshan]

No, shade is correct.
Putin tried shock & awe in Kiev campaign and it backfired disastrously. Russia basically lost several thousand troops and did a tactical retreat and re-deployed in the donbass. That is Kiev campaign in a nutshell.
The reason it didnt work isnt because Russia didnt try, it didnt work is because Ukraine was prepared to fight and Russia didnt think Ukraine was prepared to fight- thats why when Russians paradropped their VDV into the airport right outside Kiev, the VDV got massacred and the Russians were in for a rude shock.

And to be honest, this is not the first time russia has bungled an attack on a much, much smaller enemy but Russia still has the capacity to grind its way to a victory against a lesser entity like Ukraine, even though it is probably at its weakest ever state in the last 200 years to project power.

That was also during the supposed peace talks that were agreed and which BoJo supposedly scuttled by asking Ukraine to fight till the last man. Unclear what actually happened at that time.

 

[Blademaster]

No, shade is correct.
Putin tried shock & awe in Kiev campaign and it backfired disastrously. Russia basically lost several thousand troops and did a tactical retreat and re-deployed in the donbass. That is Kiev campaign in a nutshell.
The reason it didnt work isnt because Russia didnt try, it didnt work is because Ukraine was prepared to fight and Russia didnt think Ukraine was prepared to fight- thats why when Russians paradropped their VDV into the airport right outside Kiev, the VDV got massacred and the Russians were in for a rude shock.

And to be honest, this is not the first time russia has bungled an attack on a much, much smaller enemy but Russia still has the capacity to grind its way to a victory against a lesser entity like Ukraine, even though it is probably at its weakest ever state in the last 200 years to project power.

The VDV were not massacred. They captured the airport and kept it until Putin decided to withdraw.

They went all the way to Kiev. Their intelligence agencies dropped the ball when they failed to prevent Kiev defenders from flooding the passed into Kiev. But still they could have kept it if they kept the logistic lines open and bring in more forces. Kiev was the fulcrum.

 

[craigs]

The Natzis wanted Russia to do a Shock and Awe and take Kiev. They never planned to fight a conventional battle with Russia for so many years. The plan was that Russia will take Kiev and declare victory and then will be bled dry by an extended insurgency campaign centered in Galicia and supported by Poland. Basically Afghanistan 2.0.

Russia turned the tables on them and now it is the Eurofags, Natzis and the Galicians who are being bled to death.

 

[Blademaster]

The Natzis wanted Russia to do a Shock and Awe and take Kiev. They never planned to fight a conventional battle with Russia for so many years. The plan was that Russia will take Kiev and declare victory and then will be bled dry by an extended insurgency campaign centered in Galicia and supported by Poland. Basically Afghanistan 2.0.

Russia turned the tables on them and now it is the Eurofags, Natzis and the Galicians who are being bled to death.

No. Once Kiev was taken over, half of the population would have been swayed over and accept that the western world was wrong. Putin would have stopped at the Dnieper river. Maybe he would have pushed all the way to Odessa to deny Ukraine access to the Black Sea and to reach Tranistria.

 

[craigs]

No. Once Kiev was taken over, half of the population would have been swayed over and accept that the western world was wrong.

Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe.... How long did the Second Chechen "war" last?

 

[WW2historian]

This pattern is tragic. I don't get it at all. A battalion is about a thousand soldiers. They said there were 2 or 3 battalions in the southern pocket of Velyka Novosilka. They also say because Ukrainian battalions are so depleted there might of been only a few hundred left. I'm sure at one point they were at full strength and is shows just how many soldiers Zelensky is getting killed by not retreating in time. I'm surprised that freedom of the press still exists in Ukraine. This source is the Kyiv independent.

Potential encirclement in Velyka Novosilka prompts questions about last-ditch withdrawal strategy

Thrusting forward with their vast manpower advantage, Russian troops are gradually penetrating Ukrainian defenses on the western edge of Donetsk Oblast and are close to capturing Velyka Novosilka. Located about 15 kilometers east of the neighboring Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, the vital road-junction...

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Ukrainian soldiers recall retreat from Avdiivka – on foot, leaving their wounded behind

Editor’s Note: The Kyiv Independent does not disclose the soldiers’ full names since they were not authorized to speak with the press. DONETSK OBLAST – As Russian forces closed in on a Ukrainian pocket southeast of Avdiivka, infantryman Oleh heard the order clearly: “There will be no...

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