Small Arms and Weapons

[johny_baba]

Fair enough.

If the barrel was 20 inch in length and the Pakistanis used 40-75 round canvas bag magazines then this would be a really good SAW.

I personally feel that the RPD was not optimised for today's battlefields and thus lost out to the PKM as a GPMG but an AK style SAW is still in vogue in CQB.

The VSK 100-3 with a better muzzle device, bipods and 75 round box magazine would be decent at CQB room sweeping/door kicking.

Anything more than 200-300 m and this rifle won't hit anything, probably worse than a decent build Type 56-1 capable of 2-3 MOA.

Rpk replaced rpd because Soviet thought belts to be heavy and once you run out of belt then you have no ammo
With rpk you can take same magzine as comrade
Rather than using vsk 100 3 for cqb why not just use std AK with drum mag only down side is less rpm

You may be putting less rounds on target but the sustained rate of fire and subsequent suppression will be much higher. With a better muzzle device such as the one shown below, accuracy will also improve marginally.

• Thicker barrel
• 900 rpm
• Reinforced trunnion and handguard
• Angled buttstock
• Lighter weight than an RPK
• 16.3'' barrel vs 23.2'' on the RPK

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well with all advancements in engineering, metallurgy and manufacturing technologies, we have reached that 'sweet spot' like status, where both magazine fed SAW and belt fed LMG/SAW are coming closer in terms of size, weight, overall handling...FN M249, IWI Negev are examples

so modern day machine gunners are getting more chances to play more 'mobile' kind of roles in a combat zone with same weapon, be it belt fed LMG/SAW or an enlarged strengthened rifle that's a magazine fed LMG...it's becoming a question of 'what serves us well' than 'what should we be getting'

you look at USMC, they standardised their infantry rifles to LMG-ish heavy profile barreled rifle with M27 IAR, giving each marine ability to provide suppressive fire along with accurate semi-auto fire, you look at chinese PLA and they're inducting some new M249-ish SAW that's dual fed, feeds from belt as well as QBZ-191 magazines, you look at Russians who experimented with RPK-16 are also developing two-three distinct dual-fed SAWs there

 

[username unkown]

well with all advancements in engineering, metallurgy and manufacturing technologies, we have reached that 'sweet spot' like status, where both magazine fed SAW and belt fed LMG/SAW are coming closer in terms of size, weight, overall handling...FN M249, IWI Negev are examples

so modern day machine gunners are getting more chances to play more 'mobile' kind of roles in a combat zone with same weapon, be it belt fed LMG/SAW or an enlarged strengthened rifle that's a magazine fed LMG...it's becoming a question of 'what serves us well' than 'what should we be getting'

So now will 50. Cal or dshk machine guns successor will also be more mobile something like that was ohio ordinance reapr and sig xm338

 

[VictorDelta4]

New Panos from Thales

 

[spindrift]

New bottle, some aged wine!- DRDO MCIWS- 6.8..
Nice presentation by Sandeep Sir.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRLjqW4uSD4

Aged wine? Its more like aged vinegar.

 

[johny_baba]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzsBTUEupKs

Croatians were on to something

nice, nice,
i propose we make a desi version of this for the armed forces, adopted around mills bomb and INSAS blank rounds

 

[Baseplate]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDyupN4BYOc

IWI

 

[VictorDelta4]

G36K
Trijicon ACOG 4x32 LED, Aimpoint Acro P2, Steiner DBAL A3, Knight's Armament Pic Rail, Magpul stock & Riser

 

[VictorDelta4]

Final config of Bundeswehr service rifles. Attachments will vary based on mission profile
HK416(G95A1/G95KA1) HK433/437(G39/G39K)

 

[johny_baba]

Final config of Bundeswehr service rifles. Attachments will vary based on mission profile
HK416(G95A1/G95KA1) HK433/437(G39/G39K)
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feel really sorry for Haenel, those guys competed against HK416 and even won that tender but H&K moved to the courts to get them disqualified, otherwise even polish police forces ordered 500 some Haenel MK556 to replace...ahem...their HK416s lol

 

[username unkown]

Final config of Bundeswehr service rifles. Attachments will vary based on mission profile
HK416(G95A1/G95KA1) HK433/437(G39/G39K)
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Is that cheek riser really nesecary and they chose some sort of key mod handguard wierd choice
@johny_baba technical question in ar 18 is buffer tube is really needed
If not then why new ar 18 design still have buffer tube meanwhile few ar 18 doesn't have buffer tube hence have foldable stock

 

[johny_baba]

Is that cheek riser really nesecary and they chose some sort of key mod handguard wierd choice
@johny_baba technical question in ar 18 is buffer tube is really needed
If not then why new ar 18 design still have buffer tube meanwhile few ar 18 doesn't have buffer tube hence have foldable stock

AR-18 design has its recoil spring housed within the upper receiver so AR-15 style buffer tube isn't necessary for housing recoil springs, but many aftermarket manufacturers just put AR-15 style buttstock attachment there so consumers can use their existing AR-pattern collapsible buttstocks on it - it's similar jugaad to many other rifles like Galil Ace gen 2 etc

 

[Corvus Splendens]

feel really sorry for Haenel, those guys competed against HK416 and even won that tender but H&K moved to the courts to get them disqualified, otherwise even polish police forces ordered 500 some Haenel MK556 to replace...ahem...their HK416s lol

Haenel is killing it by supplying to Ukraine right now. Haenel MK556s are common sight in the AFU.

 

[VictorDelta4]

feel really sorry for Haenel, those guys competed against HK416 and even won that tender but H&K moved to the courts to get them disqualified, otherwise even polish police forces ordered 500 some Haenel MK556 to replace...ahem...their HK416s lol

Few SEK units have opted for Haenel MK556 so far, and Ukrainian SOF and support units were also supplied with a substantial number of Haenel products by the German govt to keep them happy.

 

[johny_baba]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82uZcXXL3g0

some basic criticism of ARX-160,
remember during UPA-2 era, means 2012-2013 times, this italian rifle was one of finalist in that 'multi calibre' rifle tender here? the other contender that reached to finals was early Galil Ace series rifle
but ARX-160 got rejected because well "backup iron sights on top, made of plastic, fall off the rifle" during certain trials and Galil Ace became sole contender so tender was revised etc over it
I wonder what other reliability issues they found on ARX-160 here during those trials

I personally loved the clever way those italians made a truly ambidextrous rifle but internally that camming system on it is just...finicky in my opinion, then they also put dual extractors thing, one of which acts as ejector depending on which side is selected (allowed to operate) at rear side of receiver...and i don't generally like dual extractor design - more parts prone to failures in extreme situations

oh forgot to mention, rifle had a really simpler but clever kind of...longer stroke (?) gas piston system on it, instead of some tiny gas piston with multiple gas settings, it had a sliding expansion chamber with rough rear that pushed the bolt carrier just like a gas piston, and with fewer settings there it could potentially take different kinds of ammos in one go due to that design

but never again such a fully ambidextrous rifle at user level has been designed since ARX-160 came out, so for innovation they deserve a thumbs up

 

[VictorDelta4]

remember during UPA-2 era, means 2012-2013 times, this italian rifle was one of finalist in that 'multi calibre' rifle tender here? the other contender that reached to finals was early Galil Ace series rifle

Oh that tender was all over the papers. That is when I first came across the ARX

 

[Baseplate]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82uZcXXL3g0

some basic criticism of ARX-160,
remember during UPA-2 era, means 2012-2013 times, this italian rifle was one of finalist in that 'multi calibre' rifle tender here? the other contender that reached to finals was early Galil Ace series rifle
but ARX-160 got rejected because well "backup iron sights on top, made of plastic, fall off the rifle" during certain trials and Galil Ace became sole contender so tender was revised etc over it
I wonder what other reliability issues they found on ARX-160 here during those trials

I personally loved the clever way those italians made a truly ambidextrous rifle but internally that camming system on it is just...finicky in my opinion, then they also put dual extractors thing, one of which acts as ejector depending on which side is selected (allowed to operate) at rear side of receiver...and i don't generally like dual extractor design - more parts prone to failures in extreme situations

oh forgot to mention, rifle had a really simpler but clever kind of...longer stroke (?) gas piston system on it, instead of some tiny gas piston with multiple gas settings, it had a sliding expansion chamber with rough rear that pushed the bolt carrier just like a gas piston, and with fewer settings there it could potentially take different kinds of ammos in one go due to that design

but never again such a fully ambidextrous rifle at user level has been designed since ARX-160 came out, so for innovation they deserve a thumbs up

whenever i see this gun


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BbMj8_Ub5Yo?feature=share

 

[Corvus Splendens]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82uZcXXL3g0

some basic criticism of ARX-160,
remember during UPA-2 era, means 2012-2013 times, this italian rifle was one of finalist in that 'multi calibre' rifle tender here? the other contender that reached to finals was early Galil Ace series rifle
but ARX-160 got rejected because well "backup iron sights on top, made of plastic, fall off the rifle" during certain trials and Galil Ace became sole contender so tender was revised etc over it
I wonder what other reliability issues they found on ARX-160 here during those trials

I personally loved the clever way those italians made a truly ambidextrous rifle but internally that camming system on it is just...finicky in my opinion, then they also put dual extractors thing, one of which acts as ejector depending on which side is selected (allowed to operate) at rear side of receiver...and i don't generally like dual extractor design - more parts prone to failures in extreme situations

oh forgot to mention, rifle had a really simpler but clever kind of...longer stroke (?) gas piston system on it, instead of some tiny gas piston with multiple gas settings, it had a sliding expansion chamber with rough rear that pushed the bolt carrier just like a gas piston, and with fewer settings there it could potentially take different kinds of ammos in one go due to that design

but never again such a fully ambidextrous rifle at user level has been designed since ARX-160 came out, so for innovation they deserve a thumbs up

>The brass deflector on this rifle never worked that well. But it's pretty pronounced and the charging handle is too small, so you can get your index finger badly squeezed while charging the gun in a hurry.​

>The magwell has limited compatibility with 5.56 mags.
>When the gun works fine, it's a reliable rifle with easy recoil management.
>But you get a failure to eject every now and then because of the funky ejection port. Ejecting casings bang on, get stuck and damage the ejection port over time.
>The front handguard is too fat for it's own good.


The front end of the top rail of the A1/A2 rifles can bent with heavy optics mounted on it.


The bolt catch of this rifle is reportedly problematic, and can shatter and damage the bolt during full auto firing.

>The A1 rifles trialed by IA came with a proprietary under-barrel mount for UBGLs, making it incompatible with general issue UBGLs like the M203.
>The receiver is just too tall and adds bulk to the gun.

It's a nice gun mostly if you have gorilla hands, just a bit too quirky to use over a generic short stroke gas piston AR.​

 

[Patriots]

Ugram will be evaluated by bsf

 

[johny_baba]

So now will 50. Cal or dshk machine guns successor will also be more mobile something like that was ohio ordinance reapr and sig xm338

*ahem* even if you don't go that far as DShK, look at chinese HMGs based on 12.7 x 108mm calibre, they made at least four designs starting from Type 77 to latest QJZ-171, the last one's just ~12 kg in mass compared to 34 kg on DShK
then Russians have Kord, which is lighter than NSV to some extent and definitely lighter than DShK...but still meant for mounted roles for most times
- so you can say with modern technology, metallurgy and all indeed someone's made a lighter HMGs in russian .50 cal out there, but it's still limited to mounted roles and not as compact as some GPMG yet

 

[username unkown]

*ahem* even if you don't go that far as DShK, look at chinese HMGs based on 12.7 x 108mm calibre, they made at least four designs starting from Type 77 to latest QJZ-171, the last one's just ~12 kg in mass compared to 34 kg on DShK
then Russians have Kord, which is lighter than NSV to some extent and definitely lighter than DShK...but still meant for mounted roles for most times
- so you can say with modern technology, metallurgy and all indeed someone's made a lighter HMGs in russian .50 cal out there, but it's still limited to mounted roles and not as compact as some GPMG yet

Thanks for the reply its time indian army also start working on its small arms procurement seriously

AR-18 design has its recoil spring housed within the upper receiver so AR-15 style buffer tube isn't necessary for housing recoil springs, but many aftermarket manufacturers just put AR-15 style buttstock attachment there so consumers can use their existing AR-pattern collapsible buttstocks on it - it's similar jugaad to many other rifles like Galil Ace gen 2 etc
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To me company like iwi or other company using ar 15 colapsable stock doesn't make sense if you can have more modular stock like that of sig mcx or scar
For us civil market ar 15 stock makes sense