Women in Armed Forces

[eastern_bhartiya]

@Vinash – Hey Vinash, could you please move these posts to the feminism thread?

As for my take: women should primarily be prepared for defensive roles and last-line-of-defense duties, not for offensive combat roles.

When discussing the merits or drawbacks of having women in the military, there’s one key benefit we often overlook: integrating women into the military mindset helps influence and educate other women as well. It fosters a shift in mindset, countering the self-destructive narratives often ingrained by our education system and media. These narratives can lead to disempowerment and confusion, as seen in recent incidents like the one involving the Wire.

this is very important, telling girls how they have no roles in defense of the nation, makes them uninterested and reduces patriotic tendencies among women, if we gatekeep military as some boys only club, then we can't complain that women are easy pawn for enemy.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

There are scientific studies which explain and confirm the fact that women like working with people and men like working with things.

This is why men go to STEM and women go to humanities.

Men and things, women and people: a meta-analysis of sex differences in interests - PubMed

The magnitude and variability of sex differences in vocational interests were examined in the present meta-analysis for Holland's (1959, 1997) categories (Realistic, Investigative, Artistic, Social, Enterprising, and Conventional), Prediger's (1982) Things-People and Data-Ideas dimensions, and...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Women like working with people, men like working with things, all across the world

An analysis of responses of people from 42 countries on a vocational interest inventory confirmed the well-known finding that women tend to prefer jobs and activities that focus on working with people, much more than men. Men tend to prefer working with things much more than women. Women were...

www.psypost.org

Leftists and Liberals are fools who are forcefully trying to play god with gender roles.

@GaudaNaresh I agree with only 1 part of your argument i.e women have better EQ. Women evolved to survive with their mental abilities so they developed better EQ than men.

EQ is useless on the battlefield. EQ is useful when dealing with human contact like nursing etc

Yes well there are pros and cons. It's not coincidence either that kerala and Bengal have contributed the most # of great Hindu sages - shakaracharya, chanakya , Chaitanya.
Bengal-bihar ( same culture for most part in terms of women especially the maithili and anga belt) also was nexus central of universities of India.
Not to mention, Bengal literary renaissance produced literature greater than sum total of rest of India.

Now look at the opposite of bengal/kerala: pathans. The culture where women are your slaves. And where are they today ? Exactly where they were 1000 years ago. But none dare fuck with pathans or be mad enough to conquer them.

So what is the conclusion, especially if u see modern western feminism in this context ??

That a woman centric society is one of change at warp speed and thrives on finer things of life. But warp speed change is also a scattershot and u take 2 steps forward and then 2 steps backward: you get women's education and more societal support but you also get transgender nonsense.

While male centric society is definition of stuck in time-capsule warrior society where life totally sucks and no one wants to live in, but none shall dare fuck with you.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Yes well there are pros and cons. It's not coincidence either that kerala and Bengal have contributed the most # of great Hindu sages - shakaracharya, chanakya , Chaitanya.
Bengal-bihar ( same culture for most part in terms of women especially the maithili and anga belt) also was nexus central of universities of India.
Not to mention, Bengal literary renaissance produced literature greater than sum total of rest of India.

Now look at the opposite of bengal/kerala: pathans. The culture where women are your slaves. And where are they today ? Exactly where they were 1000 years ago. But none dare fuck with pathans or be mad enough to conquer them.

So what is the conclusion, especially if u see modern western feminism in this context ??

That a woman centric society is one of change at warp speed and thrives on finer things of life. But warp speed change is also a scattershot and u take 2 steps forward and then 2 steps backward: you get women's education and more societal support but you also get transgender nonsense.

While male centric society is definition of stuck in time-capsule warrior society where life totally sucks and no one wants to live in, but none shall dare fuck with you.

no body wants to fuck with them because its 21st century, you think if it was middle ages or before, people would have cared about these things, US if it wants can easily genocide afghan population tomorrow but thats not how warfare works anymore.

 

[Vinash]

Yes well there are pros and cons. It's not coincidence either that kerala and Bengal have contributed the most # of great Hindu sages - shakaracharya, chanakya , Chaitanya.
Bengal-bihar ( same culture for most part in terms of women especially the maithili and anga belt) also was nexus central of universities of India.
Not to mention, Bengal literary renaissance produced literature greater than sum total of rest of India.

Now look at the opposite of bengal/kerala: pathans. The culture where women are your slaves. And where are they today ? Exactly where they were 1000 years ago. But none dare fuck with pathans or be mad enough to conquer them.

So what is the conclusion, especially if u see modern western feminism in this context ??

That a woman centric society is one of change at warp speed and thrives on finer things of life. But warp speed change is also a scattershot and u take 2 steps forward and then 2 steps backward: you get women's education and more societal support but you also get transgender nonsense.

While male centric society is definition of stuck in time-capsule warrior society where life totally sucks and no one wants to live in, but none shall dare fuck with you.

Present day Bengal and Kerala don't get to rest on the laurels of their past Heroes.

Truth is, too much matriarchy and liberalism is the reason for downfall of these states and patriarchal Islam will steamroll these states if Hindus don't wake up.

BTW I agree that extreme patriarchy like Taliban is wrong too.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

no body wants to fuck with them because its 21st century, you think if it was middle ages or before, people would have cared about these things, US if it wants can easily genocide afghan population tomorrow but thats not how warfare works anymore.

Well short of genocide from the air, you can't realistically fight the pathans to conquer them. And obviously they were not easy to genocide else chinggis khan would've genocided them- he actually HATED Islam and big part of mongol empire fracturing was one of his sons line became Muslims. Turns out when you got to go shopping heads physically, It's not an easy task against extremely war like people that define ultra-male society, who also live on one of the most rugged terrain on planet earth.

Try to be objective in your analysis- if Bengal and Kerala are examples of what happens to society where women dominate, then pathans are the example of what happens to society when men dominate.
My point was, to indicate why our ancestors believed in balancing the two, not swing like an idiot monkey from one extreme to another, like west does.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Present day Bengal and Kerala don't get to rest on the laurels of their past Heroes.

Truth is, too much matriarchy and liberalism is the reason for downfall of these states and patriarchal Islam will steamroll these states if Hindus don't wake up.

BTW I agree that extreme patriarchy like Taliban is wrong too.

This isn't resting on laurels. I am simply underscoring what happens long term in society when men dominate vs when women dominate. Even today Bengal ranks 2nd in India for book publication - second only to Hindi.

Yes, obviously women dominated society will be steam rolled by society dominated by men. But this is the classic axiom of " winning a war doesn't make you a good king and a king that forgets the difference between winning and ruling will never be a good ruler" - the male dominated society will win vs women dominant society and then eventually turn into women dominant society and fall to another male dominant society.

That is the cycle because when you have good times, Women centric societies are a lot more satisfying for humans to live in. But satisfaction breeds weakness. Which leads to bad times and societies fall...which creates the strong people you need to have to make the good times.
None can escape the cycle and we Indians should be the first people to recognize cyclic nature of this.

 

[Nicky]

What's wrong in his statement.

Instead of crying like bitches they should have fought back.

View: https://x.com/ShivAroor/status/1926538585819291737?t=nnOSR7hXB_fiGzIhoMwWtg&s=19

Society doesn't demand females defend the males.

Imagine if the roles were reversed and the males stood by and did nothing while females were assaulted.

He is technically correct but the perception is negative. Unwanted statement considering the political capital Modi has built based on response to Porkies.

 

[Nicky]

I tend to agree, we missed this US tilt to Porkies in the past few months. Not saying we should try and suck upto the orange orangutan, but we should have hit much harder while we had the chance.


View: https://x.com/Chellaney/status/1926206965287383104?t=UOd530nvtEzjmnpsxLvVBA&s=19

 

[GaudaNaresh]

@Vinash – Hey Vinash, could you please move these posts to the feminism thread?

As for my take: women should primarily be prepared for defensive roles and last-line-of-defense duties, not for offensive combat roles.

When discussing the merits or drawbacks of having women in the military, there’s one key benefit we often overlook: integrating women into the military mindset helps influence and educate other women as well. It fosters a shift in mindset, countering the self-destructive narratives often ingrained by our education system and media. Because current system narratives can lead to disempowerment and confusion, as seen in recent incidents like the one involving the Wire.

This is the genius point most men miss.
Why did chanakya say that a man born to a foreign woman will never be loyal to his country ??
Because chanakya understood one thing: it's women who drive the culture and values for the next generation : mothers have 10x the time with children than fathers in all cultures and even in the west, that number hasn't fallen below 5x.

So what this means, is the motivation of a woman and her influence is the decisive factor in shaping the values of the next generation.

And in this regard, israel is a shining eg of why they have such a strong national identity and literally are the fearsome goonda on the street- you know if u fuck with them, u will get a response 10x worse.
This is because israel had embraced women in military and national defence roles for 50+ years and while they don't do full infantry deployment for women ( coz they ain't retards), them glorifying women serving in military ensures that the next generation are supercharged in patriotism right off the gate and see military as a hallowed institution.

Ofcourse we have to mitigate risk of women in military by not doing dumb shit like make GI Jane, but the x factor of women in military leading to far more patriotic generation is a net gain in my eyes, as it is for israel.

 

[Anants]

If you are waiting till military age i.e mid 20's, it's already too late.

School and College is where these ideological things must be taken care of. Also, what % of women are going to enter military? 0.05% of General population? A drop.

Even a single drop of green can tint the entire glass of water—the same goes for mindset. It's not about sending hundreds of women into the military; it's about creating a family and social environment that’s no longer averse to the idea of their near dear ones joining the forces.

You're too focused on whether women will enter the military in large numbers. That’s unlikely to happen anytime soon, and honestly, it doesn't need to. The real value lies in the mindset shift it brings.

I was pleasantly surprised to see a retired woman Air Force officer speak with clarity and professionalism on a TV debate—something that typically came from men(including retired officers), many of whom struggled when confronted by aggressive leftist arguments from women due to 'chivalry'. Her presence was a welcome change.

This is just the beginning, and it should be encouraged. These women should be invited to speak in colleges and schools, write op-eds, and even form or join think tanks. That’s how you bring in change —not just through numbers, but through visibility, confidence, and influence in general populace.

 

[Miss Firing]

There is nothing for us to miss. US has & will always be tiled to it's bitch.

Dont know why Chellany simply says these things as though he has invented a new fact.

Irrespective of what we do, US will always come to it's bitch's help especially when there is a firefight & bitch is at the receiving side.

It does not matter what we do or "we got wind of it" earlier.

Even if we offer them bases in Andaman, Arunachal & Ladakh, they still will not abandon Pakistan.

 

[crazywithmath]

All I'll say is, there's a reason why Bengal and Kerala i.e the 2 most matriarchal societies in India are the ones who'll be falling to Mullas first.

Lmao, Bengal is the most bhagwa pilled state in the making. 5-7 years more and it might just become the next Gujarat.

And Bengal is not 'matriarchal', lol. Far from it. A handful of online intellectuals do not represent the state.

Mullas are an issue in all the states bordering kangladesh where unchecked border crossings have taken place for decades. Why does Bengal alone get singled out for it? The Assamese were running oogabooga separatist movements even as the kanglus and miyas were changing demographics in their bordering districts. Why do they get a free pass, just cuz they have started electing the BJP in recent years?

Despite all the shit ya'll throw at Kolkata intellectuals, these guys were electing Jan Sangh candidates as MPs as early as in 1951-52. Following which, the party (and its successors) dropped the ball and would not recover until after 2016...

Do you know what else is a fact? That the Maoists/Naxals (both the junglee breed and their urban backers) have drawn their elite leaders/intellectuals/cadres from the Telugu belt! I do not see you making a fuss over it either.

 

[Vinash]

Lmao, Bengal is the most bhagwa pilled state in the making. 5-7 years more and it might just become the next Gujarat.

And Bengal is not 'matriarchal', lol. Far from it. A handful of online intellectuals do not represent the state.

Mullas are an issue in all the states bordering kangladesh where unchecked border crossings have taken place for decades. Why does Bengal alone get singled out for it? The Assamese were running oogabooga separatist movements even as the kanglus and miyas were changing demographics in their bordering districts. Why do they get a free pass, just cuz they have started electing the BJP in recent years?

Despite all the shit ya'll throw at Kolkata intellectuals, these guys were electing Jan Sangh candidates as MPs as early as in 1951-52. Following which, the party (and its predecessors) dropped the ball and would not recover until after 2016...

Do you know what else is a fact? That the Maoists/Naxals (both the junglee breed and their urban backers) have drawn their elite leaders/intellectuals/cadres from the Telugu belt! I do not see you making a fuss over it either.

Telugu states had a naxal problem no doubt.

Difference is, the general population in Telugu states didn't elect Commies even once unlike Bengalis who elected them for 3-4 decades before switching to Mamata.

When Bengal elects BJP and imposes violence on sullas, I'll accept your claim of Bengal being bhagwapilled. Till then, I'll see Bengal as a state where mullas impose violence and Bengali H's turn the other cheek.

 

[shade2]

@darkflame and @Drwho banned for a week.

Thread will be cleaned up later today.

Both are Pakis or leftover Pakis pretending to be Indian
Goal was to insult Indian men, not be turbo feminist like they later spun it into

 

[shade2]

Them raping or mutilating a serving line woman officer is like 100x worse optics to them than us, in the Western perception scale. That's the kind of News even CNN will cover on front page, coz muh feminism and patriarchy are bigger priority for news media than geopolitical interests.

Yes, as I said, neither side wants us to succeed, neither side wants to push us hard enough to fall into eithers lap or pull a total wildcard move like making a long term military alliance with russia, Ala 1971.
This is the calculus at play and it'd actually advantage to us, if we recognize the situation and have a clear foreign policy plan on it.

Kuch bhi re nibba

When those Poliostinian freebund fighters raped and mutilated those Israeli females on October 7th don't you remember the mental gymnastics MSM and leftards on SM were engaging in?
In between green and women, green will always be chosen

 

[shade2]

Present day Bengal and Kerala don't get to rest on the laurels of their past Heroes.

Truth is, too much matriarchy and liberalism is the reason for downfall of these states and patriarchal Islam will steamroll these states if Hindus don't wake up.

BTW I agree that extreme patriarchy like Taliban is wrong too.

It's communism, it is because of communism that they got left-liberal degeneracy.
People vote cummies for free stuff, free land wagera but they end up getting pozzed in the long term

 

[Vinash]

It's communism, it is because of communism that they got left-liberal degeneracy.
People vote cummies for free stuff, free land wagera but they end up getting pozzed in the long term

Agree that it's Communism. Communism is the Umbrella under which liberalism, manufactured gender equality etc get pushed.

 

[Roshan]

MSc in math means I am demi-god in judging data validity. As I said, data on female superior ability to handle stress than males isn't just incontrovertible, the gap is literally an ocean wide. Your ideological tilt is showing since you are neither qualified in data analysis nor are you actually aware of the data on the topic.
This topic is well known in evolutionary biology and the biological reason for far superior female ability to absorb stress is rather obvious too- it's a simple case of convergence, where theory predicted decades before is confirmed decades later on data. You are a noob here, so I will give you one get our or jail card for trying to pass off your ignorant chauvinism as my western centric thinking, kiddo.

As far as pain tolerance goes, prima facie that statement in biology is about physical pain tolerance. Females not only have significantly greater pain tolerance, they also have significantly greater pain sensitivity.

Ps: radfem ideology isn't mainstream anywhere. Libfem is the mainstream feminist ideology and radfem are shunned for being anti trans. Get your basics right kiddo.

Pps: military admits to only lowering physical standards for women. No other standards are lowered, so nice try to spin a specific comment of mine into your woman hatred dehatiness.

Ppps: The honour guard of Magadh empire for over 100 years were an all women group. And those 100 years were the 100 years of chandragupta to samprati- the peak of Magadh empire. So much for your historicity, noob.

Thanks for doubling down and proving that you're only a demigod in so far as peddling the usual specious feminist tropes are concerned and trying to use your degree to convince people as if we are all libtard halfwits who cannot think for ourselves like you & need 'expert guidance' like a lot of the Cancucks you are surrounded by. Academics nowadays - especially of the soft sciences variety - not having touched grass and their useless theories made in some ideological echo chamber deserve only to be treated and dismissed with contempt regardless of how much they themselves are unaware of it or try hard to project like you do by accusing others of having an ideological tilt or 'being unqualified'.

Don't care, you don't have any data anyway so what some evolutionary biology hack which you might have cherry picked said doesn't matter. Just by the sounds of it I can tell it must be wild. You suffering from some mind virus from a place of deep ignorance and along with an inability to think critically is not due to someone else's 'ignorant chauvinism' I'm afraid. You can masturbate to all the theories you want to, I'm sure you can find some rationale for these theories which also say children are capable of providing consent and can experience orgasms apart from gender being a social construct which by itself will blow a hole in the merit of copious amounts of 'research' trying to disprove any differences between men and women to advance feminist goals. A lot of data will support it and a lot of studies have also been conducted in this regard recently.

Heightened pain sensitivity is also why pain tolerance for women is much lower. The only advtg is they can experience some punishment due to having to bear kids but that's far from the only excruciating physical pain one can possibly be subjected to. Your avg woman is far less resilient to physical beatings, never mind mental stress which is why this whole 'mental health' industry which relies primarily on female psychology and championing victimhood is so big nowadays. Regularizing if not romanticizing anxiety and depression along with a host of other 'boutique disorders' like body positivity, anorexia etc which women tend to suffer from much more than men contradicts this quite clearly. And I haven't even gotten into anecdotal experiences of everyday life where your garden variety slay queen makes a big deal out of the slightest inconvenience and would likely blame 'systemic Brahminical/white xtian misogyny' for it. Only someone living under a rock with no interaction with the opposite sex, no observation skills or the ability to glean any nuance from those interactions/observations would disagree with this unless he was an ideologically possessed simp determined to die on a hill.

Army specifically mentioned physical requirements being lowered but you ask anyone who has to work with/recruit them and they will tell you of the host of other issues they bring too. Bipin Rawat stated quite categorically that they don't entertain any gender equality delusions for a reason and increasing their numbers before he died, just like they don't entertain any kind of caste based affirmative action in the armed forces. If it was only physical it wouldn't need to be that emphatic a statement. They will retain a token amount and in roles where their presence makes no perceptible difference to the overall performance of the institution.

Radfem ideology of yore is what you see as the vanilla femcel ideology today that is all over pop culture and permeating every day interactions. I'm not the ignoramus here, you are the one devoid of any context. Overton window has already shifted considerably.
PS Your Magadh guard (?)is superceded by a gorillion other examples of women not being fit for combat so not being entrusted with it or being downright saboteurs, never mind men being so much more superior that it doesn't even make a difference to point it out or make a case for them.They wouldn't need protecting otherwise, often asking for it themselves with a sense of great entitlement. Unremarkable exceptions who don't in anyway disprove the rule but serve only to emphasize it more. I'm sure as a Maths MSc you can grasp this.

 

[shade2]

Agree that it's Communism. Communism is the Umbrella under which liberalism, manufactured gender equality etc get pushed.

On a national scale the pozzing of atleast the elite is because of the same Lehruvian leftie-secular-liberal govts of 60 years.

India is a country of Yatha Raja Tatha Praja, people will be programmed by the ruling class.

Even on the matter of Bongs, Chudralok seem to be mainly baamons or other such elite castes, doubt the prole over there has ever bought into all this rich man's liberalism, secularism, feminism and other such isms

Coomies in those two states have blended their ideological posturing with ethno-linguistic pride, Naarthie === cow belt Hindutva for them, while Mallu or Bong pride just has to be those ((( liberal secular values )))

I'm saying Coomie because even Mamta has built her sultanate over the Coomie ideological infrastructure but with extra Green appeasement

Anyway enough OT y'all will have to do a lot of cleanup

 

[crazywithmath]

Telugu states had a naxal problem no doubt.

Difference is, the general population in Telugu states didn't elect Commies even once unlike Bengalis who elected them for 3-4 decades before switching to Mamata.

How are the commies any different from the socialist turned caste/tribe/language kangers some other states kept electing up until very recently (and even now, on occasions)? How exactly were the likes of RJD/SP/BSP any different from the commies of Bengal? How exactly was Diggi Raja any different from Jyoti Basu?

The Queen keeps getting elected cuz it takes time to build up a party at the grassroot level (BJP is a new entrant here, they were nowhere to be found as recently as a decade back). Hindi belt states had options and yet, kept electing the caste kangers and socialists. UP switched to BSP and SP after a BJP govt completed its tenure. I do not see them getting abused the way Bengal does. Why?

Ya'll base your opinions on the Kaushik Basus and the Amartya Sens you find on the internet. The RW intellectuals/ideologues (Kanchan Gupta, Sanjeev Sanyal), otoh, get conveniently ignored.

Bengal is a desperately poor state (another reason why the Queen keeps winning by offering token freebies before the polls). The words of the avg leftist intellectual (majority of whom do not even reside in WB) mean fuck all to these folks.

When Bengal elects BJP and imposes violence on sullas, I'll accept your claim of Bengal being bhagwapilled. Till then, I'll see Bengal as a state where mullas impose violence and Bengali H's turn the other cheek.

A majority of these riots are taking place cuz of a more proactive BJP only. For instance, there were no Ram Navami processions in Bengal before so the question of riots would not even arise. A comparison between the number of riots (per year) before and after 2015 would reveal as much.

Also, the reason why the WB govt has stopped sharing data with the NCRB.