Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Anants]

@Anants kindly explain what is so funny?

Beware of expensive American wares, as attached strings shall raise your hairs as you get trapped in a geopolitical snare.

 

[midnight]

Beware of expensive American wares, as attached strings shall raise your hairs as you get trapped in a geopolitical snare

I don't think we will have any problems as we already have big American guns, transport and attack helicopters, guns for the army and I personally hope, more then a hundred F15 exs which will help our pilots transition from them to the AMCA, which is similar in design. I also think Su 57s are better so I am hoping for the best. Dassault is giving our pilots experience on delta wings as we are making a few of them as you know, but In the long run I doubt Dassault's ability to keep us safer then having American and or Russian equipment until our stuff matures enough to stop import and start export.

 

[Anants]

I don't think we will have any problems as we already have big American guns, transport and attack helicopters, guns for the army and I personally hope, more then a hundred F15 exs which will help our pilots transition from them to the AMCA, which is similar in design. I also think Su 57s are better so I am hoping for the best. Dassault is giving our pilots experience on delta wings as we are making a few of them as you know, but In the long run I doubt Dassault's ability to keep us safer then having American and or Russian equipment until our stuff matures enough to stop import and start export.

combat wares esp modern combat aircrafts come with exceeding Audit control and Interference. case in example F-35 need daily codes sent from US to even operate for Turkey. Better invest money in more indigenous platforms and programs. Buy more cargo aircrafts/heli, elint equipment for now - to keep trump off the back.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

If a comprehensive upgrade package for the Su-30 MKI is figured out, and repeat orders are made to HAL to increase the fleet numbers, the Su-57 has no business to even be considered. Since it can only be considered as a Su-30 replacement right now. With the assumption that the Rafale is the last import we're going to have, the MKI upgrades are not only urgent, the Su-30 fleet needs to be doubled with the new upgrades. It has no competition in payload and range.​

combat wares esp modern combat aircrafts come with exceeding Audit control and Interference. case in example F-35 need daily codes sent from US to even operate for Turkey. Better invest money in more indigenous platforms and programs. Buy more cargo aircrafts/heli, elint equipment for now - to keep trump off the back.

We can keep US off our backs with more MQ-9/9Bs, P8I Neptunes and C-130Js. Apache repeat orders should be made only after the LCH start deliveries. Which only leaves the C-17, wish we could buy at-least 9 more of these second hand from ally nations.​

 

[midnight]

combat wares esp modern combat aircrafts come with exceeding Audit control and Interference. case in example F-35 need daily codes sent from US to even operate for Turkey. Better invest money in more indigenous platforms and programs. Buy more cargo aircrafts/heli, elint equipment for now - to keep trump off the back.

Yes I agree. The codes are for Lockheed aircraft and not for eagles which won't be heavily monetized. If we want a bang for our buck then eagles and or felons are the best bet. US 4++ aircraft will be for defense only so they won't be monitored like american 5th gen aircraft. The problem here is that the Rafale fleet doesn't have much to boast [PAKI PROPAGANDA DELETED BY MOD]. The F15 has a flawless track record, ask Israel, they will swear by then. Boeing will make sure we have no problems while operating the eagle.

 

[Anants]

If a comprehensive upgrade package for the Su-30 MKI is figured out, and repeat orders are made to HAL to increase the fleet numbers, the Su-57 has no business to even be considered. Since it can only be considered as a Su-30 replacement right now. With the assumption that the Rafale is the last import we're going to have, the MKI upgrades are not only urgent, the Su-30 fleet needs to be doubled with the new upgrades. It has no competition in payload and range.

We can keep US off our backs with more MQ-9/9Bs, P8I Neptunes and C-130Js. Apache repeat orders should be made only after the LCH start deliveries. Which only leaves the C-17, wish we could buy at-least 9 more of these second hand from ally nations.​

C-17. I wish India bought production Line. awe need to make a , Rudram, Rampage Missile Truck out of a Cargo plane with rotary launcher.

I am also increasingly convinced that sufficiently powerful AWACS(> 600 km: keeping it away from Novatar of missiles) combined with another Cargo plane armed with extra long range yet maneuverable AAM's could be the potent way to Saturate enemy airspace and enforce air space denial

 

[Corvus Splendens]

C-17. I wish India bought production Line.

If we are willing to foot the bill ($5 billion for the plant alone), US may be amicable to setting up a production line in India. The plant would need a minimum order of 50 birds, to be considered. But we'd be a global supplier of the C-17s and there are many countries that are willing to buy more. Even US itself might buy from our plant.​

 

[Dharmocrat]

Yes I agree. The codes are for Lockheed aircraft and not for eagles which won't be heavily monetized. If we want a bang for our buck then eagles and or felons are the best bet. US 4++ aircraft will be for defense only so they won't be monitored like american 5th gen aircraft. The problem here is that the Rafale fleet doesn't have much to boast as one of them was shot. The F15 has a flawless track record, ask Israel, they will swear by then. Boeing will make sure we have no problems while operating the eagle.

No Burger kutta origin offensive military elements should ever be brought. Not after how they robbed Modiji of his victory speech.

Especially after the shenanigans that Oramge haired Madarchod Rand ka pilla trump pulled in Saudi Arabia.

Completely trivialized all the suffering we endured in the hands of Napaki terror attacks under nuclear umbrella.

"Maybe they will have a nice dinner together? Eh, Marco? "

Fuck America and bhosad awaam. Fuck their military exports and state department BS.

 

[midnight]

No Burger kutta origin offensive military elements should ever be brought. Not after how they robbed Modiji of his victory speech.

Especially after the shenanigans that Oramge haired Madarchod Rand ka pilla trump pulled in Saudi Arabia.

Completely trivialized all the suffering we endured in the hands of Napaki terror attacks under nuclear umbrella.

"Maybe they will have a nice dinner together? Eh, Marco? "

Fuck America and bhosad awaam. Fuck their military exports and state department BS.

Dekh bhai mere liye apni safety paramount hai. There fore I am weighing my options carefully.

Woh paki suar aur unke aka abh hamare samne hijadey hi rahengey after sindoor.

Don't fret I know the MOD India is at it as we speak. American deep state at its finest when we see these 8 yr presis speak and strut their stuff.

Toh take what these guys say with a pinch of salt, we aren't crazy to buy rt guns and attack helicopters. I just hope we do a Saudi and buy a hundred eagles for defense.

 

[Gandaberunda]

If a comprehensive upgrade package for the Su-30 MKI is figured out, and repeat orders are made to HAL to increase the fleet numbers, the Su-57 has no business to even be considered. Since it can only be considered as a Su-30 replacement right now. With the assumption that the Rafale is the last import we're going to have, the MKI upgrades are not only urgent, the Su-30 fleet needs to be doubled with the new upgrades. It has no competition in payload and range.​

We can keep US off our backs with more MQ-9/9Bs, P8I Neptunes and C-130Js. Apache repeat orders should be made only after the LCH start deliveries. Which only leaves the C-17, wish we could buy at-least 9 more of these second hand from ally nations.​

We can buy more Chinooks P8I Neptunes MQ9s predator drones and Romeo helicopters.
Don’t buy Apache/ C130J/ hopless Stryker.

MTA tender Embraer C390 fits perfectly for our need and future with Brazil offering local manufacturing in India

 

[shade2]

No Burger kutta origin offensive military elements should ever be brought. Not after how they robbed Modiji of his victory speech.

Especially after the shenanigans that Oramge haired Madarchod Rand ka pilla trump pulled in Saudi Arabia.

Completely trivialized all the suffering we endured in the hands of Napaki terror attacks under nuclear umbrella.

"Maybe they will have a nice dinner together? Eh, Marco? "

Fuck America and bhosad awaam. Fuck their military exports and state department BS.

They weren't being bought anyway, even during sold-out chorgress rule, guess Babooze are good for something after all, or it could be the Russian arms lobby.

If we were majority Burgericunt equipment using country, there would be no Op Sindoor in the first place, elements of GoI know this and stay away from making their Amerishart gear the mainstay of our armed forces.

 

[darkflame]

View: https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1922325589110784181
So our rafales are not yet equipped with meteor missiles.

 

[Brood Father]

View: https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1922325589110784181
So our rafales are not yet equipped with meteor missiles.

If that is the case then those images of the pylons were not reliable (which showcased Meteor) . Makes me more hopeful that Rafale might not have been lost

 

[sameer]

View: https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1922325589110784181
So our rafales are not yet equipped with meteor missiles.

Weren't meteors being supplied from 2020 itself from French stocks? Maybe not all were equipped, but some probably were.

wonder what's this guy's source..

 

[shauryaman65]

The problem here is that the Rafale fleet doesn't have much to boast as one of them was shot. The F15 has a flawless track record

F-15EX is indeed a better platform than rafale but that doesn’t mean we should go for it. The supply chain issues would get even worse if we introduce an American platform in our combat jet inventory.

Even if rafale was shot down that doesn’t make it a bad platform. It’s still one of the best 4.5 gen platforms out there. A single shoot down doesn’t invalidate that.

 

[705-Lira]

View: https://x.com/TheLegateIN/status/1922325589110784181
So our rafales are not yet equipped with meteor missiles.

IAF Rafale flying with Meteors on their innermost underwing pylons

 

[midnight]

F-15EX is indeed a better platform than rafale but that doesn’t mean we should go for it. The supply chain issues would get even worse if we introduce an American platform in our combat jet inventory.

Even if rafale was shot down that doesn’t make it a bad platform. It’s still one of the best 4.5 gen platforms out there. A single shoot down doesn’t invalidate that.

We already have transport aircraft that are American with attack and transport helicopters for defence, I don't see a supply chain issue as we already are in deep with the US, be it the engines for Tejas, AMCA, to the drones for navy, army and airforce for surveilance.

It will be very difficult for a sino/pak to attack India if we have US aircraft.

I don't see a problem having 80 F15 exs for defence and another 36 Rafales for attack.
Rafale are bought due to Dassault helping us since the Mystere days way back in the 50s, but Pakistan also has Dassault equipment so how can we trust them?

Here Boeing is giving us the f15 ex and doesn't want to deal with Pakistan period. Agreed we have a botched past with US but now we have a guaranteed Boeing on not sharing tech with our enemies.

So my vote is for Boeing F15 exs.

 

[Gandaberunda]

We already have transport aircraft that are American with attack and transport helicopters for defence, I don't see a supply chain issue as we already are in deep with the US, be it the engines for Tejas, AMCA and drones for navy, army and airforce for surveilance.

It will be doubly difficult for sino/pak attack if we have US aircraft.

I don't see a problem having 80 F15 exs defence and another 36 Rafales for attack.
Rafale are bought due to Dassault helping us since the mystere times way back in the 50s, but Pakistan also has Dassault equipment so how can we trust them?

Here Boeing is giving us the f15 ex and doesn't want to deal with Pakistan period. Agreed we have a botched past with US but now we have a guaranteed Boeing on not sharing tech with our enemies.

So my vote is for Boeing F15 exs.

We have 272 Su30 MKI will never go to similar fighter again ( heavy fighter) having that many in inventory. If need arises IAF will go for another 2-3 squadrons of Su 30 which are highly modifiable as per our will. We need single engine fighters in numbers to be work horse and keep our operating cost low.
Tejas MKl and MK2 will fill that slot.

 

[midnight]

We have 272 Su30 MKI will never go to similar fighter again ( heavy fighter) having that many in inventory. If need arises IAF will go for another 2-3 squadrons of Su 30 which are highly modifiable as per our will. We need single engine fighters in numbers to be work horse and keep our operating cost low.
Tejas MKl and MK2 will fill that slot.

I agree absolutely but I am referring to the MRCA deal and what we can have. Su 30 mkis are ideal but F15 exs give us a connect with 6th gen tech as used on the Boeing F-47.

So there is a connection there to have f15s upgraded to a 6th gen type architecture meaning top notch sensors and computing.

We are still taking time on the super sukhoi program so how much can an airforce wait?!

Therefore, having Boeing aircraft are ideal since they won't share technology with our foes.

I agree about what you said about the single engined aircraft, Tejas MK1 and beyond should not be lagged in terms of churning out as many as stated. Lagging is not allowed anymore!

 

[Corvus Splendens]

We have 272 Su30 MKI will never go to similar fighter again ( heavy fighter) having that many in inventory. If need arises IAF will go for another 2-3 squadrons of Su 30 which are highly modifiable as per our will. We need single engine fighters in numbers to be work horse and keep our operating cost low.
Tejas MKl and MK2 will fill that slot.

The MK2 will replace the Mirages and the MiG-29s. And it's order book might even cross 300. Spec-wise you couldn't ask for a better work horse. I'm of the opinion we need 5 more squadrons of Su-30 MKIs signed off as soon as the upgrade package is sorted out. Not changing the engines simplifies the process by a lot. With further orders to gradually replace the older Su-30 batches. The GaN based Virupaakhsha with 2400 TRM count will provide monstrous performance over the bars pesa.​