Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (22 Viewers)

[redpanda]

If they want to buy a specific platform, and make a designer tender/ASQR for it, why not buy directly instead of doing years of trial, testing and multi-vendor tender drama?


View: https://x.com/Neetivaan/status/1947218628967125103

Did congis also do this drama of procedure back in the day like Indira and Rajiv's times?

Yes they did. We had the whole MMRCA saga during their tenure too. Also Augusta westland scam, which in turn had a domino effect on the whole procurement process. Because of that scam, process became more complex to eliminate corruption (which obviously didn't stop the corruption). Just look at DPP 2006 & 2008. Even Naval projects were delayed like INS Vikramaditya and Scorpene class submarines.

Also our forces and MoD believes in the motto of "Sarkare ayengi jayengi par desert, mountain,moon, mars, saturn, Andromeda test ityadi hote rehna chaahiye, asqr, RFP bante aur modify hote rehne chahiye".

 

[shade2]

Yes they did. We had the whole MMRCA saga during their tenure too. Also Augusta westland scam, which in turn had a domino effect on the whole procurement process. Because of that scam, process became more complex to eliminate corruption (which obviously didn't stop the corruption). Just look at DPP 2006 & 2008. Even Naval projects were delayed like INS Vikramaditya and Scorpene class submarines.

Also our forces and MoD believes in the motto of "Sarkare ayengi jayengi par desert, mountain,moon, mars, saturn, Andromeda test ityadi hote rehna chaahiye, asqr, RFP bante aur modify hote rehne chahiye".

Wasn't this also the result of a very on the nose designer tender?

Like the requirement of those 3 engines on the heli for muh redundansees n sheeit
When there are only like 3 helicopters with that config, 2 of which are made by AW

 

[shade2]

I was reminded of this gem


View: https://x.com/zone5aviation/status/1936799193781395870

When i found this screenshot of one of the GM Hirandani books



Turns out Govt wanted even WDB would be folded into MDL back in the day but the above guy, Parmanandan( a civilian btw, not Navy officer, core of the WDB when it started ) convinced Navy brass not to.

And the reason given by the guy is 100% bang on target and this discussion seems to be from the 70s

OTOH Airforce guys let their equivalent be folded into HAL/ADA

Two different but machine-heavy wings of the armed forces, two very different visions to build capability and two different results.

Our country is richer now, private industry is capable enough and DRDO type orgs have improved somewhat, there is still time for them to change and go all in for domestic fighter aircraft development to build our numbers

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Can it carry bramshos?

do u really think these transport aircraft or even bigger aircraft like p8i posiden can carry 3500 kg weight nd 8 meter length brahmos A?? for them to carry 1500 kg weight nd 6 meter length tomahawk or brahmos ng missiles is a task. even p8i posiden cant carry tomahawk missile yet. although america hv plan to carry long range cruise missile from p8i.

 

[FalconSlayers]

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[snakeeyes07]

View: https://x.com/wartrophy_414/status/1947231132774449412

 

[Hari Sud]

Will Galium Nitride radar fitted in the Su-30mki upgraded version will detect the China made stealth fighter? If that is true then rush to buy F-35 or SU-57 will be off. A missile can be built to shoot the Chinese made stealth fighter.

That much upgrade is more than enough to keep the Pakistanis in check.

 

[Interested]

Will Galium Nitride radar fitted in the Su-30mki upgraded version will detect the China made stealth fighter? If that is true then rush to buy F-35 or SU-57 will be off. A missile can be built to shoot the Chinese made stealth fighter.

That much upgrade is more than enough to keep the Pakistanis in check.

The problem even if the SU30 with Galium AESA radar can see a stealth jet is that that SU30 will be seen first and fired upon before they will be able to track the 5 th gen plane

 

[Hari Sud]

The problem even if the SU30 with Galium AESA radar can see a stealth jet is that that SU30 will be seen first and fired upon before they will be able to track the 5 th gen plane

That does not make sense. The stealth does not allow to see the other first. Fundamentally stealth is invisibility. If that invisibility is broken then who fires first is the key.

 

[snakeeyes07]

That does not make sense. The stealth does not allow to see the other first. Fundamentally stealth is invisibility. If that invisibility is broken then who fires first is the key.

@Interested is correct, assuming an upgraded SU-30 MKI radar can detect 1m^2 RCS at 200 km then J-35 with assumed RCS of 0.05m^2 RCS will be detected at ~95 km by the same radar (~113km for 0.1m^2). There is a mathematical formula for this, you can use ChatGPT.

With just passive EW & RWR, J-35 will know where SU-30MKI is and can shoot first with PL-15s.

Rafale's OSF-IT might actually have a higher range (>125km) to detect J-35s if it knows where to look at that is where VHF radars come into picture.

Another challenge with stealth aircraft is maintaining track/lock at distance when guiding BVRs. Tactics for defending against <= 4.5 gen fighters can not be applied 1-to-1 for stealth fighters.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Alhumdulillah, 97 LCA Tejas soon.

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1947492866223480869

 

[snakeeyes07]

IMHO enhancing existing fleet with longer range BVRs like Sky Sting & R-37M along with Astra 2/3 will be one of the biggest force multiplier and increase in firepower.


View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1947490759634211082

 

[FalconSlayers]

IMO the most legendary aircraft we ever had in our service, despite it's safety record due to over-use beyond it's life.

 

[BON PLAN]

That's the news going on. I am little perplexed as I thought they are going to go with Rolls Royce since they were promising lot more given their vast experience in developing both low bypass and high bypass Jet Engines. However, it looks like geopolitics might have played a part in this decision. It is more likely UK is seen as a bitch of US from Indian foreign policy perspective and they fear RR might cease co-operation at some point living us hanging if US presses hard on UK to do so. India's relationship with Russia has not gone down well with US or UK. There was even in a article in Telegraph few days ago stating India should be declared as a enemy country for it's relationship with Russia.

India is an enemy, not a friend or a neutral

So there’s a nation largely armed by Russia and which bankrolls Putin. What else would you call it?

www.telegraph.co.uk

What is the last engine fuly developped by RR in combat jet?
EJ200 was not.

 

[shade2]

Alhumdulillah, 97 LCA Tejas soon.

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1947492866223480869

>MRFA 114 Jets
>multi vendor tender
>trial
>testing
>negotiations
>again



Just G2G 90 Rafales or some shit FFS

Also for the refuellers
It's very nice that there are no Americans

 

[snakeeyes07]

View: https://x.com/arpitkanodia30/status/1947506810094588202

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[Interested]

IMHO enhancing existing fleet with longer range BVRs like Sky Sting & R-37M along with Astra 2/3 will be one of the biggest force multiplier and increase in firepower.


View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1947490759634211082

No more buying foreign A2A missiles especially Russian stuff . They were never very good and now with sanctions are even worse .

Need to expedite Astra development .

 

[snakeeyes07]

No more buying foreign A2A missiles especially Russian stuff . They were never very good and now with sanctions are even worse .

Need to expedite Astra development .

Astra (especially mk2 and mk3) is critical but a capability enhancement needs to be done ASAP, don't need to go all out on imports. Just get about 100 Sky Sting for SU-30 MKI (Israelis already integrated I-Derby ER onto it) and handful of R-37Ms (if Russians can integrate with BARS-M radar in a reasonable price).

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Astra (especially mk2 and mk3) is critical but a capability enhancement needs to be done ASAP, don't need to go all out on imports. Just get about 100 Sky Sting for SU-30 MKI (Israelis already integrated I-Derby ER onto it) and handful of R-37Ms (if Russians can integrate with BARS-M radar in a reasonable price).

agree...we should hv long range BVR capability. i think we should add two R37 bvr missile in every su 30 mki. same with every tejas, we should add two sky sting BVR missile. rest BVR missiles should be indian BVR missiles. sky sting hv two seekers (IR nd RF), so they can detect enemy aircrafts etc by itself from some range. so tejas lesser range aesa radar missile guidance disadvantage can increased by skysting dual seekers.

 

[officewarrior]

China has inducted j35 in operational stance under its air force.
Pakistan is now max 2 yrs away from getting a squadron of 18 j35 jets from china.
No indian jet is capable of handling j35 in one on one scenario currently we urgently need the best aesa radars and best bvr missiles no matter the cost.
Otherwise whole indian airforce jets will be cooked in upcoming battle.

My solution is astra mk3 or meteor should be standardise in whole airforce fleet of tejas, mirages , mig29 , su30mki and rafale .
Aesa radars should be present in all 4th gen jets of india.