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[rockdog]

Evtols have short range and low speed, just look at the drag it generates with all those engines, more engines more weight for batteries, add lower payloads.

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while you boast you can not replace a Mi-26 or Linx with E-Vtols.

E-Vtols are for short distances, low payload and low speeds.

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The CH-12 is manufactured entirely from aeronautical materials, and the blades are made from composite materials with an on-condition lifespan.
The CH-12 is presented as a new option in the experimental market and embodies numerous technical solutions contributed by the creativity and experience of Augusto Cicaré.
The powerplant used is a Lycoming O-360 (a horizontally opposed, four-cylinder, air-cooled, direct-drive piston engine), providing maximum safety in one of the helicopter's most important components.
TECHNICAL DATA:
- Engine: Lycoming O-360, 180 HP
- Empty weight: 430 kg
- Maximum weight: 700 kg
- Maximum speed: 205 km/h
- Cruise speed: 165 km/h
- Speed: Climb speed: 7 mph
- Service ceiling: 3,500 m
- Range: 2.5 hours
- Fuel: AVGAS 100LL gasoline
Sources:

1) Argentine Militar

If you compare the payload rate E-Vtols can not compete with Helicopter, and to be honest not even with LSA aircraft

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Horizontec created this aircraft using composite materials—carbon fiber, epoxy resins, and fiberglass—with a very unique feature: its 141-horsepower Rotax 915 engine runs on premium gasoline, the same gasoline used in automobiles. It is designed to achieve flights of up to 1,500 kilometers with a range of five hours.
It also has a range of 1,500 kilometers and a flight time of six hours, with an average fuel consumption of 17 liters per hour...

El Halcón 2 cruza los cielos

Por Arlett Cárdenas Arredondo Inesperadas ráfagas de viento de hasta 20 nudos por hora tensaron el ambiente del evento histórico

a21.com.mx

The all-electric V2000CG CarryAll has a payload capacity of up to 400 kg with a maximum cruising speed of 200 km per hour and a range of 200 km. It features vertical takeoff and landing capabilities and a fixed-wing cruising design, enabling its applications in low-altitude logistics, emergency response and other fields

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performance wise the E-Vtols can not compete, and these are small helicopters

You still missed the point, we are talking about a ecosystem, not a plane comparison, your list of parameters of a plane is wasting your own time.

People couldn't imagine the things you never meet. the LOW ALTITUDE ECONOMY needs full coverage of own GPS system, 5G networks, full 3D digital map ... ...


View: https://x.com/XH_Lee23/status/1946057307030163744?t=PVV-0f0UeP-mebL8EDA_Wg&s=19


View: https://x.com/ohkf_hk/status/1946389528664580167?t=p6ENK68K14gCsXV2l9s7hA&s=19


Even my own GPS map in my car had interconnection with city's traffic system, and it's cover the whole nation.


View: https://x.com/damengchen/status/1945670107361128858?t=5tOIHFxcHzHeBOdjdrV6LQ&s=19


View: https://x.com/Kanthan2030/status/1721494309147640051?t=WK-mrZymgJK3WXtN-BytUw&s=19

 

[rockdog]

China-made tonne-class eVTOL delivered​

(Xinhua) 09:34, July 23, 2025

The V2000CG CarryAll, a tonne-class electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) aircraft, conducts a flight demonstration at a flight test base in Kunshan, east China's Jiangsu Province, on July 22, 2025. (Xinhua/Fang Zhe)

SHANGHAI, July 22 (Xinhua) -- A Chinese tech startup on Tuesday delivered a tonne-class electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) aircraft, marking a breakthrough in the application of large eVTOLs.

Developed by the Shanghai-based company AutoFlight, the V2000CG CarryAll boasts a maximum takeoff weight of 2 tonnes.

Following the acquisition of the type certificate and production certificate last year, along with the airworthiness certificate acquired on Monday, the unmanned aircraft will be operated by a Guangzhou-based low-altitude transportation business.

The all-electric V2000CG CarryAll has a payload capacity of up to 400 kg with a maximum cruising speed of 200 km per hour and a range of 200 km. It features vertical takeoff and landing capabilities and a fixed-wing cruising design, enabling its applications in low-altitude logistics, emergency response and other fields.

Xie Jia, senior vice president of AutoFlight, said that the aircraft type has so far completed more than 40,000 km of safe flights over various terrains across China and other countries such as the United Arab Emirates and Japan, which help validate its performance and explore its potential application scenarios.

The eVTOL's delivery comes as China's low-altitude economy is entering a stage of rapid growth. According to the Civil Aviation Administration of China, the market value of the sector will soar from 500 billion yuan (about 70 billion U.S. dollars) in 2023 to 1.5 trillion yuan in 2025, and that number could reach an astounding 3.5 trillion yuan by 2035.

The V2000CG CarryAll, a tonne-class electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) aircraft, is pictured at a delivery ceremony in Kunshan, east China's Jiangsu Province, on July 22, 2025. (Xinhua/Fang Zhe)

The V2000CG CarryAll, a tonne-class electric vertical takeoff and landing (eVTOL) aircraft, conducts a flight demonstration at a flight test base in Kunshan, east China's Jiangsu Province, on July 22, 2025. (Xinhua/Fang Zhe)

It's in-human! Dark side of Chinese EV industry.


View: https://youtu.be/MCBdcNA_FsI?si=l-1TbeNwH1lAyvCF

 

[E-195]

You still missed the point, we are talking about a ecosystem, not a plane comparison, your list of parameters of a plane is wasting your own time.

People couldn't imagine the things you never meet. the LOW ALTITUDE ECONOMY needs full coverage of own GPS system, 5G networks, full 3D digital map ... ...


View: https://x.com/XH_Lee23/status/1946057307030163744?t=PVV-0f0UeP-mebL8EDA_Wg&s=19


View: https://x.com/ohkf_hk/status/1946389528664580167?t=p6ENK68K14gCsXV2l9s7hA&s=19


Even my own GPS map in my car had interconnection with city's traffic system, and it's cover the whole nation.


View: https://x.com/damengchen/status/1945670107361128858?t=5tOIHFxcHzHeBOdjdrV6LQ&s=19


View: https://x.com/Kanthan2030/status/1721494309147640051?t=WK-mrZymgJK3WXtN-BytUw&s=19

Aircraft are not cars.

Mexico and Brazil have Evtols. Embraer has a large operational one. Mexico one experimental, but not for that I will deny the reality.




An EV car weighs more than an ICE car, because batteries are very heavy.

In aircraft weight is the first problem, the Halcon 2 takes you 1500km for barely less than 100 liters of fuel, with a single engine or 5 hours flight.

But more drag more thrust needed, more weight more speed or bigger wings. if you understand that you can understand Evtols have no future beyond city services.



The difference is the Halcon 2 will take me from Mexico city to the american border but the EVtol will not take farther than Queretaro, which in the other hand I can take a bus or train to do the same trip for a mucher cheaper ticket price

How far is Mexico City from Querétaro? The distance between Mexico City and Querétaro is 203 km.

The distance between Mexico City and Chihuahua city is 1,269 km. The road distance is 1,430.5 km.
The distance between Mexico City and Ojinaga is 1500 km.

The all-electric V2000CG CarryAll has a payload capacity of up to 400 kg with a maximum cruising speed of 200 km per hour and a range of 200 km. It features vertical takeoff and landing capabilities and a fixed-wing cruising design, enabling its applications in low-altitude logistics, emergency response and other fields


The Mi-17 helicopter, unlike its predecessor - Mi-8 helicopter - has a three-bladed anti-torque rotor at the left rear side, and the intake openings are equipped with deflectors separating solid particles from air (sand, dust, etc.).

The helicopter is equipped with excellent navigation and information system and modern design that enables safe day and night transport of personnel even under very adverse weather conditions. The basic version is used to fulfil military, police and civilian tasks. It is equipped with an effective system of air defence against infra-red-navigation missiles. The cockpit has three seats. The cargo compartment with its dimensions of 5.34 metres of length, 2.32 m of width, and 1.8 m of height, has a sliding door at the front left part of the fuselage and, at the rear, a large, double-wing loading door. It has a three-wheel non-retractable landing gear with a front double-tyred leg. An additional fuel tank can be mounted on each side of the fuselage to carry 1,830 litres of fuel in total.

Basic Tactical-technical Data​

• High-speed cruise: 250 km per hour
• Typical cruise speed: 225 km per hour
• Operation range with 25 passengers: 500 km
• Tactical operation range: 350 km
• Maximum flying distance: 930 km
• Flight ceiling: 4,500 metres
• Climbing close to surface: 4.5 metres per second
• Engines: 2 x TV3-117MT of 1,435 kW each
• Payload: 4,000 kg
• Weight of empty helicopter: 7,055 kg
• Maximum take-off weight: 13,000 kg
• Length with rotating blades: 25.35 metres
• Length of fuselage: 18.22 m
• Height: 4.75 metres

Mil Mi-17 - NATO code: HIP-H | Ministry of Defence & Armed Forces of the Czech Republic

This is a medium multipurpose two-engine turbo-shaft helicopter of classic arrangement with a five-bladed main rotor and a three-bladed anti-torque tail rotor, designed predominantly for transport of personnel. The basic version of the Mi-17 has the NATO code of "HIP-H".

www.mo.gov.cz

• Diameter of the main rotor: 21.29 metres
• Diameter of the tail rotor: 3.91 metres

 

[E-195]

You still missed the point, we are talking about a ecosystem, not a plane comparison, your list of parameters of a plane is wasting your own time.

People couldn't imagine the things you never meet. the LOW ALTITUDE ECONOMY needs full coverage of own GPS system, 5G networks, full 3D digital map ... ...


View: https://x.com/XH_Lee23/status/1946057307030163744?t=PVV-0f0UeP-mebL8EDA_Wg&s=19


View: https://x.com/ohkf_hk/status/1946389528664580167?t=p6ENK68K14gCsXV2l9s7hA&s=19


Even my own GPS map in my car had interconnection with city's traffic system, and it's cover the whole nation.


View: https://x.com/damengchen/status/1945670107361128858?t=5tOIHFxcHzHeBOdjdrV6LQ&s=19


View: https://x.com/Kanthan2030/status/1721494309147640051?t=WK-mrZymgJK3WXtN-BytUw&s=19

Feb 6, 2024 — According to EHang the eVTOL aircraft will cost customers $332,000 and will be effective from April 1, 2024.

EHang sets guide price for the world’s first certified eVTOL

The China-based eVTOL aircraft developer EHang has finally set the retail guide price for its type certified two-seater unmanned aerial vehicle.

www.aerotime.aero

EHang AAV​

30km
Maximum range
130km/h
Maximum design speed

EHang | UAM - Passenger Autonomous Aerial Vehicle (AAV)

Ehang AAV is the world's first electric passenger-grade autonomous aerial vehicle, providing safe, eco-friendly, and smart Urban Air Mobility (UAM) solution for mankind's future life, including passenger and logistics tranportation, sightseeing, medical rescue, etc.

www.ehang.com

FUEL
USEFUL FUEL QUANTITY 214 L 56.5 gal.
RANGE (TAS 190 Kts - 32 L/h - 04h55min – 8500ft) 1,728 km 933 mi/sea
TOTAL RANGE (TAS 190 Kts - 32 L/h - 06h40min – 8500ft) 2,345 km

The estimated price of the kit is about US$ 83 thousand. To have the aircraft assembled, you will need to pay a total of US$ 200,000.

Wega Aircraft - Dados técnicos Wega 180

Empresa especializada em desenvolvimento de aeronave experimental e aerobarco

www.aerowega.com

Asas do Sul

Com capacidade para duas pessoas, o monomotor Wega 180, construído em carbono, vidro e resina de alta qualidade, foi destaque na segunda mais importante feira mundial de aviação, a Sun’n Fun, realizada em abril deste ano em Lakeland, na Flórida, Estados Unidos. A pequena aeronave, de apenas 6,5...

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Faster, cheaper and higher range, LSA are a better buy, they are different types but definitively in aircraft ICE are still much better



Giovanni Angelucci, director of Horizontec, said the cost of the Halcon II is between $120,000 and $170,000, depending on the model.

Halcón II, el primer avión 100% mexicano hecho por egresados del IPN y CONALEP - México Desconocido

El Halcón II es el primer avión hecho en en México por Horizontec, empresa con grandes planes para la aeronáutica mexicana.

www.mexicodesconocido.com.mx

The Halcón II took to the skies for the first time on July 4, 2022, and on February 6, it received certification to begin commercialization, making it the first 100% Mexican aircraft to obtain this type of certification. The aircraft is designed to serve three market sectors: pilot training, recreational use, and aerial surveillance. Its cost is around $180,000 dollars.

Aeronave diseñada y fabricada en México sale a la venta – Avion Revue Internacional

La revista de aviación líder en castellano

www.avionrevue.com

 

[E-195]

You still missed the point, we are talking about a ecosystem, not a plane comparison, your list of parameters of a plane is wasting your own time.

People couldn't imagine the things you never meet. the LOW ALTITUDE ECONOMY needs full coverage of own GPS system, 5G networks, full 3D digital map ... ...


View: https://x.com/XH_Lee23/status/1946057307030163744?t=PVV-0f0UeP-mebL8EDA_Wg&s=19


View: https://x.com/ohkf_hk/status/1946389528664580167?t=p6ENK68K14gCsXV2l9s7hA&s=19


Even my own GPS map in my car had interconnection with city's traffic system, and it's cover the whole nation.


View: https://x.com/damengchen/status/1945670107361128858?t=5tOIHFxcHzHeBOdjdrV6LQ&s=19


View: https://x.com/Kanthan2030/status/1721494309147640051?t=WK-mrZymgJK3WXtN-BytUw&s=19

Energy density

The performance of batteries is specified in terms of the energy they store divided by their weight, expressed in kWh/kg. This is the battery’s energy density. The theoretical maximum for a lithium-ion battery with a lithium metal oxide cathode and graphite anode is 0.27 kWh/kg. In practice, battery packs have not yet approached this value. For example, the high-performance Tesla S uses a 100-kWh battery that weighs about 1,375 pounds, which equates to an energy density of 0.16 kWh/kg. Bye Aerospace optimistically quotes a value of 0.25 kWh/kg for its eFlyer 2’s battery.

But those figures are still very low compared to avgas, which has an energy content of 12.3 kWh/kg—about 50 times greater. Putting it in perspective, the energy content in the Tesla S battery is the same as 2.1 gallons of avgas.

An aircraft that is capable of vertical takeoff, such as a helicopter, needs a more powerful engine than an aircraft whose lift is provided by wings. For example, a small helicopter engine’s power rating is about 1.5 times that of a conventional airplane of the same weight. This can be seen when comparing the Robinson R44 with a Cessna 172 or a Bell Jet Ranger with a Beechcraft Bonanza. Helicopter rotor blades are like wings with a high aspect ratio, designed to produce as much lift as possible with minimum drag. Forward thrust is provided by effectively tilting the rotor, but even in forward flight about 90 percent of the power is used to provide lift.

Technology: hp versus kW

These days we hear a lot about electrically powered airplanes. Harbor Air introduced an electrically powered version of the de Havilland DHC–2 Beaver; Bye Aerospace is bringing to market an electrically powered trainer called the eFlyer 2; Pipistrel introduced the Velis Electro; and the...

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This translate into more engines and more drag, thus lower range lower speed