AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

[JTP]

Efficiency is the main thing of "civilian" engine, we're talking military here.

Smaller bird also means smaller internal weapons bay size and smaller lift generation which means reduction in payload weight.

Again range ain't gonna be a issue for j36, and as said before if "desired range" is already achieved then the extra range while a bonus is not a necessity.

" less costly to operate"- indeed efficiency increase will decrease fuel consumption, but that's the "only desirable" trait chinese j36 lacks.
And efficiency increase while desirable is not a important parameter.

I'm not saying 6th gen adaptive cycle won't be better, I'm saying they a not a "generational" necessity

They are. More thrust, more efficiency and more electricity are always required.

Higher the generation of a plane, higher electricity is required for its advanced avionics, sensors etc.

Higher thrust = Higher ranges of our AAMs + better chances of dodging enemy AAMs.

Similarly, higher efficiency = higher loitering time which is critical for interception of incoming enemy assets and quicker response against ground targets.

3 engines on Chinese plane = heavier plane, more expensive to fly and maintain & less payload.

India needs 6th gen adaptive cycle engine if it really wants advanced fighter jets.

 

[JTP]

Hmm isn't every 2 out of 3 message on this forum is about lamenting about appalling situation of Armed Forces. Is it some gotcha like? Enlightenment for us plebs from you?

Everyone with a braincell here knows that our asses gonna be whooped, it's only a matter of when. There is no need of your gyaan here.

You may chose to ignore it. But I am pretty sure that everyone agrees that you are not representing the rest.

 

[FalconSlayers]

WOW

Spoiler

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[Migflug]

WOW

Spoiler

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If only the government took the program seriously, we could have built the prototype by now, maybe even FF !!

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

@randombully , @BON PLAN , @JTP, everybody else,
If you guys wanna discuss jet engine tech in general conceptually, then there is a thread

Thread 'Understanding Jet Engine Technology'

Jul 17, 2024

Hello everyone,
Hot JET ENGINE has always been a hot topic of discussion, especially comparing them & trying to decipher capability of new upcoming engines.
Every machine, even the household ones are complex, but many people are great fans about bike/car engines, computers, phones, security systems, solar power systems, etc. And they discuss online or face to face on these things.

Similarly, let's make an effort to understand a jet engine in an easy way. You can share many Youtube videos & websites which don't get into complex mathematical model.
A picture/diagram/graph is worth...

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And airframe design apart from AMCA then also a thread is there

Thread 'Understanding Aircraft Design'

Jul 17, 2024

Hello everyone,
Since childhood, Aircraft became part of our life in form of toys.
The very sight of it amazes people. Its sound gives goosebumps.
The global R&D in last 100 years has given some exceptional aircrafts of different types.
Numerous documentaries have been made, articles published.
People wonder what leads to a particular design.

Let's make a step by step effort to share our knowledge about airframe design -
- Basic diagram of an airplane
- How airplane flies
- Basic parts of airplane
- Types of airplanes
- Why airplanes look different w.r.t. their body, wings, etc
- Key...

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[Bleh]

If only the government took the program seriously, we could have built the prototype by now, maybe even FF !!

Subsystem ready nahi hy prototype urake kya karoge?

Even integration of imported stopgaps will add to the timeline at this point

 

[TopWatcher]

If only the government took the program seriously, we could have built the prototype by now, maybe even FF !!

No govt serious about aerospace ecosystem and technology development in India.

 

[Migflug]

Subsystem ready nahi hy prototype urake kya karoge?

Even integration of imported stopgaps will add to the timeline at this point

That would still be better than no prototype development. First, develop all building blocks and then making a prototype is an old inefficient way to develop a project

 

[Spitfire IX]

No govt serious about aerospace ecosystem and technology development in India.

I think that is the case.

Competition eliminated by organisations, companies involved in fighter development all being owned/controlled by the government. That leads to low efficiency, low productivity, low accountability, ,late delivery. GOI steadfastly sticks to its failed model. New projects will fail to succeed just as other projects have failed.

No big surprise that projects fail. The big surprise would be if new ones run in the same way didn't result in a similar outcome.

Funding is not serious either. Could any major OEM - already having the know how to develop turbofans- have developed a GE F404 equivalent engine for $500 million? I don't think so. As for India: I would say impossible.

 

[Mr.Evil]

1:1 Model of AMCA-001

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1887828794502971412

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/ReviewVayu/status/1887831212271759713

 

[Ayan Barat]

 

[Nationalist Papa]

Are those CCM bays on the side?

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Sidebays ?

 

[Flanker]

View: https://x.com/ReviewVayu/status/1887831212271759713

low quality model but a good start

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

1:1 Model of AMCA-001

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1887828794502971412
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View: https://x.com/ReviewVayu/status/1887831212271759713

ADA-001, ADA's 1st baby
It is very basic, they could have shown EOTS, IRST, DAS. But something is better than nothing.
Nose appears to be too long, or may be it is camera angle effect.
The engines are exposed a lot. The rudder's trailing edge could have been diamond or cranked-arrow/lambda shaped; The stab/elevator could be moved aft.
The flaps & aelerons actuator bumps need to be more flat & blended.
Inbuilt ladder not required, will increase RCS.
Perhaps a CCM can fit in SWB.

 

[Clawreed]

low quality model but a good start

Kind of Had my hopes up when they said it was 1:1 scale model. This is just some lazy work.

 

[Flanker]

Kind of Had my hopes up when they said it was 1:1 scale model. This is just some lazy work.

shameful if this is true.

View: https://x.com/Parthu_Potluri/status/1887840102958952514

 

[Azaad]

Kind of Had my hopes up when they said it was 1:1 scale model. This is just some lazy work.

It's a mock up & as mock ups go it's as good or as bad as one can expect. In all fairness they didn't announce a static display. That'd be the real thing which won't take to the skies.

 

[vampyrbladez]