LCA TEJAS MK-I & MK-IA: News and Discussion

[Gandaberunda]

And fly with a ROPE like we fly Kites as uncle Sam won't give as many engines as we want & control how many fighters we make & maybe link it to sale of vintage F-16s at exhorbitant price...

MoD should have accepted saffrons offer of snecma hot core integration to Kaveri. 85-88kn thrust after burner with snecma hot core Kaveri would be enough for MK1A. Now yankees are dwindling carrots on our ass for engines and MK2 - F414 is still not under negotiations

 

[Gandaberunda]

by that logic F15 nd F18 is also consider 3.5 genration according to u,,,coz they also build near 1980's.

We are not buying F15 or F18 even though Americunts pitch them as 5th generation

 

[Gandaberunda]

than u will order 200+ tejas mark 2....that order will take atleast 6-7 year to complete by 32 aircraft per year production rate. so we r inducting a 4.5 genration aircraft beyond 2040. that is a problem

For your sad information 4.5 gen jets will stay beyond 2040.

we hv to start retiring our first batch of su 30 mki from 2042. we cant replace them with tejas mark 2

MK2 aren’t touted as Su-30 MKi replacement but AMCA may be the replacement if it’s ready for mass production by 2040

we should make a single engine medium weight 5 genration (just like su75) to replace su 30 mki.

There are no plans for single engine 5th gen jet but can go for F35 now which kills that idea if IAF have any.

 

[Gandaberunda]

If IAF is handed over their wish they will fill the whole inventory with imported weapons and fighters. Good that govt for ones shoved indigenous fighters down their ass.

IAF chose mk1a and mk2 simply because they had no choice as lots of money was spent on LCA development and government was not backing down.
Now as a revenge they have grounded all dhruv helicopters fleet and going to purchase airbus helis ending the indigenous program for helicopters.

 

[AbRaj]

Zoo of legacy post WW2? IAF is mostly of Soviet Union inventory from Mig21-su30 how does it makes a zoo? Also post WW2 were American dishing out their fighters to IAF? Atleast French doesn’t attach pathetic strings like yankees when they sell fighters and negotiations for used fighters to manage inventory is begging then now Americunts are begging IAF to buy their most coveted F35 fighters and obsolete F16.

 

[WARREN SS]

Americunts are begging IAF to buy their most coveted F35 fighters and obsolete F16.

they doing it because they have grabbed us by balls. Our indigenous aircrafts are Relying on Single american Vendor Any change in this will Drag LCA into next decade and AMCA beyond 2040. What will you do if you were in their positions they protecting monopoly and interest of Americans Corporations and MIC.

 

[AbRaj]

they doing it because they have grabbed us by balls. Our indigenous aircrafts are Relying on Single american Vendor Any change in this will Drag LCA into next decade and AMCA beyond 2040. What will you do if you were in their positions they protecting monopoly and interest of Americans Corporations and MIC.

Change the engine with similar specs is not that impossible task at this early stage. It has been done multiple times in the past. It will be a big problem for LCA and MWF though. But I believe they are negotiating a deal for local assembly of GE engine and its in final stage of contract signing

 

[Gandaberunda]

they doing it because they have grabbed us by balls. Our indigenous aircrafts are Relying on Single american Vendor Any change in this will Drag LCA into next decade and AMCA beyond 2040. What will you do if you were in their positions they protecting monopoly and interest of Americans Corporations and MIC.

They’re doing it because Russia is literally bent on us and offering us joint production of Su-57 and AL31 engines and new 5th gen engine IP for AMCA as well. Trump means business ans he won’t curtail GE engines deal but arm twist us to buy more weapons from them

 

[Gandaberunda]

Change the engine with similar specs is not that impossible task at this early stage. It has been done multiple times in the past. It will be a big problem for LCA and MWF though. But I believe they are negotiating a deal for local assembly of GE engine and its in final stage of contract signing

Tejas TDs were built on RD33. Airframes are still lying somewhere in HAL backyards. If things go south We can still use Kaveri engine mating snecma m88 hot core to it offered by saffran. But trump won’t scuttle the deal because he want business and orders from us for his MIC

 

[AbRaj]

Tejas TDs were built on RD33. Airframes are still lying somewhere in HAL backyards. If things go south We can still use Kaveri engine mating snecma m88 hot core to it offered by saffran.

Off course. But then we are looking 4-5 years further down the line. iAF will go on Hunger-strike if that happens. They want Maza and they want it immediately.

But trump won’t scuttle the deal because he want business and orders from us for his MIC

Trump is lunatic

 

[WARREN SS]

Tejas TDs were built on RD33. Airframes are still lying somewhere in HAL backyards. If things go south We can still use Kaveri engine mating snecma m88 hot core to it offered by saffran. But trump won’t scuttle the deal because he want business and orders from us for his MIC

that will take atleast 5 years in getting IOC to FOC at HAL pace complete Squadron by 2032 atleast 10 years late. And MWF or LCA 2 Will be dead. As there is no engine in GE 414 class

 

[Corvus Splendens]

People are making a massive deal out of not much here. GE engines were selected for their T/W ratio and their good service life in required form factor. If they turn antagonist, we have options in the RD-33MK with 88kn thrust and 4000 hours of MTBO. It may not take even 2 years to test and recertify the RD-33MK on a LCA Mk-1 if shit has hit the fan. Hell I wanna see a larger Mk-2 with AL-31FP. We already increased it's wet thrust figure to 130kn ballpark. Russian engines are always there if American go back to their old shenanigans. Only program that can be delayed considerably by Americans is the AMCA but it has a long projected development timeline to begin with.

 

[shade2]

People are making a massive deal out of not much here. GE engines were selected for their T/W ratio and their good service life in required form factor. If they turn antagonist, we have options in the RD-33MK with 88kn thrust and 4000 hours of MTBO. It may not take even 2 years to test and recertify the RD-33MK on a LCA Mk-1 if shit has hit the fan. Hell I wanna see a larger Mk-2 with AL-31FP. We already increased it's wet thrust figure to 130kn ballpark. Russian engines are always there if American go back to their old shenanigans. Only program that can be delayed considerably by Americans is the AMCA but it has a long projected development timeline to begin with.

If this was a serious country there would already be Tejas prototypes with RD33, M88 built and undergoing flight trials, instead of going along with the "supply chain issues" scam by the Americunts.

Anyway Dolund will one day straight up say "We aren't giving you the GE engines, get fucked paj33ts! Buy F16s or we sanction you" and our VishwaGrahak will oblige him.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Anyway Dolund will one day straight up say "We aren't giving you the GE engines, get fucked paj33ts! Buy F16s or we sanction you" and our VishwaGrahak will oblige him.

Dolan has to explicitly declare it first, or keep it slogging at congress. No matter what Dolan comes up with, we won't buy F-16s. If Americans ever thought they could keep pressing the button for free, they would be deluded.

 

[shade2]

Dolan has to explicitly declare it first, or keep it slogging at congress. No matter what Dolan comes up with, we won't buy F-16s. If Americans ever thought they could keep pressing the button for free, they would be deluded.

Wish I had your confidence, from my perspective it seems like a fixed match between dalal babooze of the exam-passing sort and the fancy uniform wearing kinds, suit-boot dhandhos wanting contracts and foolish political leadership thinking military purchases === better diplo relations and trade deals to kill Tejas and buy F-16.

All it will take is another stunt by the khors at the border, and since the Opposition here suckles from the US teat, you can expect no loud barkings of SCAM as it happened with the Rafale.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

For your sad information 4.5 gen jets will stay beyond 2040.

i m talking about their induction time...if u r inducting 4.5 genration tejas mark 2 in 2040. we hv to stuck with 4.5 genration fighter untill 2080+.

MK2 aren’t touted as Su-30 MKi replacement but AMCA may be the replacement if it’s ready for mass production by 2040

so u think we will replace 272 su 30 mki with double engine 5 genration fighter like AMCA. well good luck with its huge cost of buying nd operation cost.

There are no plans for single engine 5th gen jet but can go for F35 now which kills that idea if IAF have any.

yes. but if we dont buy 97 tejas mark 1a, our 200 tejas mark 2 delivery end near 2037. than we hv enough time to develop a single engine cost effective 5 genration fighter like su75...coz first batch of su 30 mki will starting to retire from 2042 (if we consider su 30 mki service timeline near 40 years)....but u also know our IAF known for "sucking entire juice" of a aircraft...so su 30 mki retirement time line can go beyond 2042.

 

[Gandaberunda]

so u think we will replace 272 su 30 mki with double engine 5 genration fighter like AMCA. well good luck with its huge cost of buying nd operation cost

We don’t need to replace all of 272 su 30 MKi with 5th gen jets.
We aren’t replacing 841 Mig 21 inventory with 841 Tejas MK1A inventory similarly we won’t do that with exact numbers.

 

[brat4]

guys, hear me out.. an outlandish idea..from my tech brain - not an aero tech by any standard)
the current existing tejas mk1A dev team - which is probably working on Mk2, AMCA, TEDBF etc.. could probably add one extra aicraft:
Tejas B - with russian or french engine.
this is parallel and more like "HJT/IJT" project for new/incoming engineers to get their hands on a real project.

this would:
1) skill up the newbie aero techs,
2) create a pathway to reduce dependency on single point failure (GE engine) for any future versions in case Kaveri is delayed further.
3) ensure we have available engines and a slightly faster turnaround time in case we have a grounded tejas plane (US sanction on engine parts etc)

this does require more funds, however, but the outcome will be a reduced risk (This will also help in ensuring in future, we can get Kaevri in)

however, the best bet is STILL, getting kaveri on the tejas ASAP.

 

[Gandaberunda]

lol...IAF didnt replace 841 mig 21 with tejas...coz we face delays after delays. otherwise ideally mig 21 should be retire near 2005-2010.
by the way its not necessary we hv to induct 841 tejas to replace 841 mig 21. coz tejas hv many capabilities nd technology better than mig 21. beside this we also bought 272 su 30 mki also. u cant compaire one su 30 mki with one mig 21.
but in su 30 mki replacement...u r suggesting it should be replaced by another 4.5 genration aircraft. keep in mind AMCA 6 squads r not replacement of su 30 mki. but addition of indian squads number to reach near 42 squads.

42 squadron was sanctioned way back before drones became major part of airforce worldwide. You contradicted yourelf Tejas is much more capable than Mig21 then AMCA is also much more capable than Su 30 so no need to replace by 4.5 gen jets

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

42 squadron was sanctioned way back before drones became major part of airforce worldwide. You contradicted yourelf Tejas is much more capable than Mig21 then AMCA is also much more capable than Su 30 so no need to replace by 4.5 gen jets

yeah...i misread ur comment. thats why i deleted my last comment.
i thought u r suggesting su 30 replacement with tejas mark 2 or ORCA. ok if 272 su 30 mki will replace with AMCA additional number (i mean additional squads than 6 squads we plan now), than its best option. but in 272 su 30 mki case, atleast we hv to induct near half number of AMCA. which will still huge number to operate for us near 2050. coz we r talking about:-
6 squad AMCA = 18×6 = 108
15 squad 272 su 30 = atleast we should replace them with 7-8 squad of AMCA.
that makes = 18×8 = 144.
so we r talking about 144+108 = 252 numbers of AMCA.
near 2050 we r near 20 trillion dollar economy. than our defense budget will be near chinese level of 250 billion dollar. chinese still operating near 200 j20 fighters. but near 2050, our 20 trillion or 250 billion will be much more inflated, than current chinese budget. so i hv doubt, can we operate 250 number of AMCA near 2050 with other many 4.5 genration aircraft??