1965 Indo Pak War

[Blademaster]

Kashmir, yes. Lahore - there simply was not enough forces available for that task at that time. You must keep this in mind that back then, the Pakistanis enjoyed a significant numerical and qualitative edge over the Indian Army in terms of armor and artillery.
Plus, what would even be the point in taking something that you know for certain you'd need to give up afterwards anyway??

Better bargaining position. They would be willing to trade Kashmir to get Lahore back. And I do think that India had the capability of keeping Lahore. For starters, Pakistan was very low on supplies and logistics. They would not be able to sustain their combat operations once the IA severed that logistic artery from Karachi to Lahore and Islamabad.

 

[Hari Sud]

Here is a good description of 1965 air war. I did not see the air action but will read the newspaper which on September 3rd, 1965; flashed the gunsight photos of Keelor shooting down the Pakistani Sabre jet. I was at Ambala during the war when Pakistani planes came to bomb the air installations. The black out was so complete that they could not see the airfield. They dropped the bomb randomly. One of them struck a hospital.

You can read more details of air actions in the following article:

49 Years Of 1965 War - How India's 'Sabre Slaying' Siblings Brought The PAF To Its Knees During 'Short War'

It was just three years after the bloody but brief war with China, and India was getting ready for another battle, this time with Pakistan. The war brought out the best example of sibling rivalry: Two brothers flying for the Indian Air Force (IAF) claimed one American-made F-86 Sabre fighter jet...

www.eurasiantimes.com

 

[ezsasa]

Thread by Yew's Finest , this one ought be here

Ambush In Punjab: Decline & Fall of the Pakistani Army.
Most Indians know of Asal Uttar as the moment in history when Pak Armour rolled into a well laid Indian trap.
Few truly grasp the enormity of the event; of the coup the Indians pulled off in 'The Punjab'


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[Varoon4]

Question- Pakistan received its Sabre Jets and Patton Tanks in 1954. Theoretically, had they fully operationalised and inducted all of them in 1954 itself, would they have a major advantage in a war with India in that year. Because in 1954, India( as far as i know) did not have its Gnats or Mysteres. It only possessed Vampires, Spitfires and Tempests, with a few Canberra bombers. Plus Stuart and Sherman tanks.

 

[Hari Sud]

Question- Pakistan received its Sabre Jets and Patton Tanks in 1954. Theoretically, had they fully operationalised and inducted all of them in 1954 itself, would they have a major advantage in a war with India in that year. Because in 1954, India( as far as i know) did not have its Gnats or Mysteres. It only possessed Vampires, Spitfires and Tempests, with a few Canberra bombers. Plus Stuart and Sherman tanks.

In 1965 war, India had Hunters, Gnat and Mysteres. The Gnat with its high maneuverability became a Sabre killer.

 

[Varoon4]

In 1965 war, India had Hunters, Gnat and Mysteres. The Gnat with its high maneuverability became a Sabre killer.

Yes, but what if the 2 countries went to war in 1954. Would Pakistan have a major advantage, assuming their Sabres and Pattons were operationalised. What could / would India have mustered up then.

 

[Hari Sud]

Yes, but what if the 2 countries went to war in 1954. Would Pakistan have a major advantage, assuming their Sabres and Pattons were operationalised. What could / would India have mustered up then.

There was no possibility of war in 1954. Pakistan began receiving Patton Tanks and Sabre jets. The delivery was set over two years. Pilot trains and tank trading add time hence war in 1954is a figment of imagination.