ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[johny_baba]

A thread to discuss Tejas Mark 2 'MWF'

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

 

[Mr.Evil]

This thread is for the news and discussions regarding upcoming Indian fighter jet TEJAS MK2/MWF

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

A thread to discuss everything about hal Tejas Mk2.



General specifications of Tejas mk2
Crew: One or two
Length: 14.65 m (48 ft 1 in)
Wingspan: 8.50 m (27 ft 11 in)
Height: 4.87 m (16 ft 0 in)
Wing area: 44 m2 (470 sq ft)
Empty weight: 7,850 kg (17,306 lb)
Gross weight: 11,300 kg (24,912 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 17,500 kg (38,581 lb)
Fuel capacity: 3,400 kg (7,500 lb) internal; 3,500 kg (7,700 lb) with drop tank
Payload: 6,500 kg (14,300 lb) external stores
Powerplant: 1 × General Electric F414-INS6 afterburning turbofan with FADEC, 57.8 kN (13,000 lbf) thrust dry, 97.9 kN (22,000 lbf) with afterburner.
Indigenous: (75kn dry),110kn engine to be used in future, developed for 5th gen AMCA)
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 1.8
Range: 3,000 km (1,900 mi, 1,600 nmi)
Combat range: 1,500 km (930 mi, 810 nmi)
Ferry range: 3,500 km (2,200 mi, 1,900 nmi) with 3 external fuel tanks
Service ceiling: 17,300 m (56,758 ft)
g limits: +9/−3.5
Armament
Guns: 1 x 30 mm (1.2 in) GSh-30-1
Hardpoints: 13 hardpoints with a capacity of around 6.5 tons, with provisions to carry combinations of :
Air-to-air missile : Standard BVR missiles Astra mk1/mk2/mk3 SFDR
NG-CCM/ASRAAM
Air-to-surface missile: BrahMos-NG ALCM, Nirbhay ALCM, and NASM's SR & MR series of naval anti-ship missiles.
Anti-radiation missile: Rudram 1/2/3
Bombs: Precision-guided munition: HSLD-100/250/450/500, DRDO Glide Bombs, DRDO SAAW, Gaurav/Gautam.
Laser-guided bomb: Sudarshan, Cluster munition
Loitering munition: CATS ALFA, Unguided bombs
Avionics
LRDE GaN based Uttam AESA Radar
CASDIC Unified Electronic Warfare Suite (UEWS)
CASDIC Dual Colour Missile Approach Warning System (DCMAWS)
CASDIC Targeting pod
IRST
X Guard Towed Decoy.

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Some official slides & specs :

 

[Neil (नील/Нил)]

Since the initiation of the LCA program in 1983/1984, it's FF in 2001, it's induction into the IAF in 2015 till 2024, we have come a long way inspite the various delays which plagued the program. Now the upcoming MK-2 will/should be the ultimate evolution of the LCA program.

It's because of LCA Mk-2 that the IAF will never import a new single engine aircraft simply because on paper, the projected specs of MWF are way too good, it basically offers everything the IAF could ask for in a single engine medium weight aircraft. SAAB's Gripen being offered in MMRCA won't ever win because of Tejas MK-2 so the Swedes are simply wasting their time and being desperate for a deal that they will never bag.

Slide depicting LCA AF Mk-2 Evolution.


That said, the first prototypes are under fabrication and we can expect a roll out in the next 2-3 years followed by the first flight (FF).

 

[Noob]

View: https://twitter.com/AjayshreeSamby3/status/1813915424808907228?t=HP5KtG5y5tGv5QONskiD-w&s=19

 

[Cyclops]

View: https://twitter.com/AjayshreeSamby3/status/1813915424808907228?t=HP5KtG5y5tGv5QONskiD-w&s=19

As long as Kaveri doesn't get developed and India is dependent in any small way to the US, all Tejas variants will keep being held hostage to US machinations.

Without Kaveri:
Best case, US keeps drip feeding us and we can't match China's pace and it hurts us if a conflict arises.
Worst case, they hang us out to dry and we concede, and have to be dependent on the US; we make grave concessions in other sectors for said engines and still get hurt in a conflict.

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

As long as Kaveri doesn't get developed and India is dependent in any small way to the US, all Tejas variants will keep being held hostage to US machinations.

Without Kaveri:
Best case, US keeps drip feeding us and we can't match China's pace and it hurts us if a conflict arises.
Worst case, they hang us out to dry and we concede, and have to be dependent on the US; we make grave concessions in other sectors for said engines and still get hurt in a conflict.

Lesson learned.

View: https://youtu.be/h7BTmizVtio?feature=shared

 

[samsaptaka]

As long as Kaveri doesn't get developed and India is dependent in any small way to the US, all Tejas variants will keep being held hostage to US machinations.

For that houthiya govt needs to open the purse strings and provide a flood of funds to the Kaveri project, buy or develop atleast a couple of FTBs, hire the best brains from IITs IISc etc,...and top project mgmt with measurable milestones and deliverables. Else Unkil will continue to squeeze us by the two small round things near the mooladhara chakra

 

[Spitfire IX]

With a state of urgency prevailing regarding fighter deliveries (Mk1A delayed, MMRCA 2.0 several years away from deliveries starting), will the inclusion of canards in the Mk2 design risk slowing things down? I presume that writing the FCS for a frame with canards is something of a step into the unknown.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

With a state of urgency prevailing regarding fighter deliveries (Mk1A delayed, MMRCA 2.0 several years away from deliveries starting), will the inclusion of canards in the Mk2 design risk slowing things down? I presume that writing the FCS for a frame with canards is something of a step into the unknown.

If Dod has finalised 2 delta-canards MWF & TEDBF then i guess DoD engineers have learned a lot from mixed avionics of Su-30MKI & N-LCA with levcons. They might have studied Rafale also.
Next step would be to test the FCS for MWF airframe with CFD on a Mainframe or Super-computer, which could be going on currently.

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/manupubby/status/1822160309496295715?t=3tunBOqofHu6gFa8f5yjsw&s=19

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

View: https://x.com/manupubby/status/1822160309496295715?t=3tunBOqofHu6gFa8f5yjsw&s=19

F-16 IN was proposed with F-110-GE-132A engine with dry/wet thrust of 84/145 KN.
For 4.5gen 1-engine supplementary jets, we should try to aim little higher for this kind of capability whether we import, make self or by JV.
And keeping 2-3 decades future global evolution in mind bcoz engine tech takes time, if we desire a 1-engine 5/6gen jet or even MLU/ECU for our MWF, then the seeds of regular/VCE engine with dry/wet thrust of 140/200 KN has to be sowed today.

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

View: https://x.com/VinodDX9/status/1822181116003926314

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

View: https://x.com/VinodDX9/status/1822181116003926314

so production would start 29-30 timeline imo still its very late

 

[sathya]

so production would start 29-30 timeline imo still its very late

Is it possible to make 83 + 97 = 180 Mk1A before that?

I am afraid Mk2 production will be further than that.

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

Is it possible to make 83 + 97 = 180 Mk1A before that?

I am afraid Mk2 production will be further than that.

straight answer no

 

[Vishnugupt]

Is it possible to make 83 + 97 = 180 Mk1A before that?

I am afraid Mk2 production will be further than that.

Tejas MK2 will not be inducted before 2032/33. AMCA MK1 will not be inducted before 2040. Bitter but true.

First time in the Indian history, a vise UN General from Import AF took part in all vendors meeting regarding Tejas MK2. Before that UN Generals sent message via Dalaali media ( Unknown source )

Generals were never serious about their jobs before.

Here is the link about Article which shows how Important role generals have to play which they never played well

LCA Mk-II Development Gains Momentum: First Flight Targeted for 2026 – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

This also a reply for those who blame HAL to select GE 404 engine for Tejas MK1a. It's IAF which selected the engine.