Air India AI 171 Crash in Ahmedabad (9 Viewers)

[Rune]

View: https://x.com/mujifren/status/1943872349784154283

And why would Air India allow itself to take the fall ? You do realize that the lawsuit they will face for a pilot error or suicide will be worth more than any bribe they can get from boeing ?

 

[cicada3307]

View: https://youtu.be/MD64uYK926o

 

[Cheepek]

The preliminary report

 

[kailv8]

But what if the fuel pump was faulty and it malfunctioned? Why not look at another side? Muh western supremacist will never look at it. Everyone from the start was saying pilot error pilot error.

It is what it is my friend, a faulty fuel pump would have been mentioned in the preliminary report. The FDR would record the faults as the sensors would detect, warn & record if a pump failure occurred. Also each engine has separate, independent multiple fuel pumps located at different points of the fuel tanks, even the fuel tanks are seperate for each engine. If one fails the other takes over automatically commanded by FADEC computers as part of the multi layered redundancy systems in 787. The pilot pulled the fuel control switches to kill position deliberately and this is what the report points out to.

 

[snakeeyes07]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE0BetkXsLg

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

It's also pretty unhinged to straightaway jump at the conclusion that since it's a suicide, there was foreign involvement. Mental health issues and depression are real and our airline industry overworks aviators to the point that they take naps in the cockpit. This wouldn't be the first time a pilot suffering from mental health issues has crashed a passenger flight. Germanwings Flight 9525 in 2015 is a recent example. There weren't any important personnel on the flight anyway for it to be an intelligence operation by an adversary.

This part of your post is completely out of context due to lack of knowledge.

Pilots taking nap is called “controlled rest” and is legal everywhere in the world.

There are procedures for that and even the airhostess/cabin crew is informed about it.

Its not like the Pilot will say…hey buddy i gotta sleep as my mental stress is high…so u fly the plane good night ….like you are making it to be.

Secondly,mental health issues maybe a big conern a decade ago but in todays era everyone has to clear a interview with psychiatrist/psychologist to get a airline job.

I myself have given 3 such interviews in the last 10 years.

 

[Nutcracker]

View: https://x.com/viper202020/status/1943827496589221989?s=46

This part of your post is completely out of context due to lack of knowledge.

Pilots taking nap is called “controlled rest” and is legal everywhere in the world.

There are procedures for that and even the airhostess/cabin crew is informed about it.

Its not like the Pilot will say…hey buddy i gotta sleep as my mental stress is high…so u fly the plane good night ….like you are making it to be.

Secondly,mental health issues maybe a big conern a decade ago but in todays era everyone has to clear a interview with psychiatrist/psychologist to get a airline job.

I myself have given 3 such interviews in the last 3 years.

Why do cockpits not have video recordings. A vid footage could've cleared all the conspiracy generated by their convo.

 

[fire starter]

Bloody sold-outs.

View: https://x.com/aravind/status/1943550283969122651?t=j1spEEM9dztn_Rmnc9ywcQ&s=19

View: https://x.com/IndianSinghh/status/1943907687194144916?t=j1spEEM9dztn_Rmnc9ywcQ&s=19

 

[snakeeyes07]

View: https://x.com/viper202020/status/1943827496589221989?s=46

This part of your post is completely out of context due to lack of knowledge.

Pilots taking nap is called “controlled rest” and is legal everywhere in the world.

There are procedures for that and even the airhostess/cabin crew is informed about it.

Its not like the Pilot will say…hey buddy i gotta sleep as my mental stress is high…so u fly the plane good night ….like you are making it to be.

Secondly,mental health issues maybe a big conern a decade ago but in todays era everyone has to clear a interview with psychiatrist/psychologist to get a airline job.

I myself have given 3 such interviews in the last 10 years.

Aren't both the fuel control switches completely isolated from one another? Both of them failing/glitching in a 1 second window is very improbable.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Aren't both the fuel control switches completely isolated from one another? Both of them failing/glitching in a 1 second window is very improbable.

Yes..its very rare.

I havent even heard of 1 flying thousands of hours on Airbus.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Why do cockpits not have video recordings. A vid footage could've cleared all the conspiracy generated by their convo.

How will we get the Cabin Crews number then just kidding…its beyond my pay grade to know that but as a pilot i wont mind video recording bcoz i have nothing to hide.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Yes..its very rare.

I havent even heard of 1 flying thousands of hours on Airbus.

I believe a dual fuel control switch malfunction has never happened yet.

 

[spikey360]

Why are some fellow members ruling out a pilot suicide? After all, they are humans.
Sad as the case is, it maybe one of the few conclusions of this case.

 

[snakeeyes07]

I believe a dual fuel control switch malfunction has never happened yet.

IMO based on the preliminary report (especially the flight recorder data events) looks like this accident was caused by a pilot/human intervention. Could be a brain fog or mental aberration but it is more likely to be a suicide event.

 

[Brood Father]

We must give credit to the report , it is very impartial and down to the details
Now the details report will follow and full truth will be out but for now it does look like the focus is on pilots
If it was something related to planes , advisory to ground the planes would have have followed but no such thing happened. Plane was in good condition as per report.
The most troubling part is FDR recording fuel switches off by 1 second lag which does point to manual input , if both of them happened at same time then blame could be on computers and plane but 1 second lag as per my opinion seals the deal .
Also it does look like pilot flying knew and thats why he shouted "why did you kill the fuel' , he didn't say" why their is no power ". So he knew something happened and since his both hands were in yok he won't be able to do anything .

Man this very sad and terrifying.

 

[shade2]

Bloody sold-outs.

View: https://x.com/aravind/status/1943550283969122651?t=j1spEEM9dztn_Rmnc9ywcQ&s=19

View: https://x.com/IndianSinghh/status/1943907687194144916?t=j1spEEM9dztn_Rmnc9ywcQ&s=19

Blaming the dead pilots with >suicide and >confusion is the easiest way out

Blaming Boeing would mean somebody in the White House gets upset and applies sanctions and embargoes.

Making any discovery of sabotage public would necessitate a response.


Hope one day our country will be strong enough to stand up against superpower and their favorite companies
You wouldn't have the Chings doing this that's for sure.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Why are some fellow members ruling out a pilot suicide? After all, they are humans.
Sad as the case is, it maybe one of the few conclusions of this case.

Because there are 2. Odds of both being suicidal at the same time is infinitesimal. That too, very few suicidal people want to take 300 people with them.

 

[TringTringMonster]

Blaming the dead pilots with >suicide and >confusion is the easiest way out

Blaming Boeing would mean somebody in the White House gets upset and applies sanctions and embargoes.

Making any discovery of sabotage public would necessitate a response.


Hope one day our country will be strong enough to stand up against superpower and their favorite companies
You wouldn't have the Chings doing this that's for sure.

I mean chings got their embassy bombed by US and didn't do anything.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

https://www.wsj.com/business/airlines/air-india-crash-probe-fuel-cut-3a711f39

I hope that the status of fuel run/cutoff switches will be clarified publicly in the preliminary report. If set to cutoff, was that before or after loss of thrust? If it was after loss of thrust, to me something(s) else caused the accident.

I forgot to reply this short draft in evening, and then near midnight i guess the prelim report was released.

Anyways,
"Loss of thrust", "Thrust not achieved", etc sounds superficial.
A pilot would be expected to be far more precise & technical which can aid in investigation like "Engine(s) fail/idle/sub-idle... checking fire, electricity, fuel pumps..... attempting restart.... losing altitude.... Mayday!!!Mayday!!!"

If engine RPM went to idle or sub-idle but still running then it has to be over-ridden to gain manual throttle control.

If engine shut down then fuel switch would have to be switched off then on.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Because there are 2. Odds of both being suicidal at the same time is infinitesimal. That too, very few suicidal people want to take 300 people with them.

Read the preliminary report and focus on the flight recorder data events:
- 180 kts after takeoff, both fuel control switch were turned to cutoff within 1 second
- RAT deployed
- APU started
- Within a few seconds, the fuel control switches were turned to run (I am speculating by the other pilot)
- Engine 1 had started spooling and accelerating but it was too late and they didn't have enough altitude to prevent disaster.

Pilot flying was the first officer. Pilot monitoring was the captain.