AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

[liberalredditor]

bruh

That is common knowledge nothing new in the thread. And the solution he gave felt like a knee jerk reaction out of frustration? What would you do by scrapping DRDO or GTRE? The solution isn't scrapping it. All you need to do is adminstrative restructuring and reforms.

ada, gtre, drdl, rci, lrde and some well known labs are the best, the worst are biology agriculture and cvrde and arde lab
and also depends on your guide, if they are passionate then win win, and mostly peeps in ada, gtre are passionate, its some low labs that do shit amount of work, like drdo "developed" bio tiolets, that lab literally made something world destroying, wow

 

[vampyrbladez]

It is highly unlikely that the U.S. will provide India with the F-35 before 2035, leaving us with the Su-57, which is little more than vaporware, like many post-Soviet Russian products. Purchasing the Su-57 is akin to investing in a risky venture with uncertain returns.

Moreover, given that Russia has struggled to meet its own defense needs, how can it fulfill India’s requirements?

RCS of :

• Su 57 is between 0.1 and 0.5 square meters
• J 35 is 0.2 to 0.3 square meters
• J 20 is ~0.01 square meters

The Russians are reportedly already training Algerian pilots on flying the Su 57E and it is expected that in a few years time deliveries will start.


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The Indian Air Force is likely to go in for another 40 Rafale fighter jets from Dassault in addition to the Indian Navy deal for 26 fighter jets.

In a decisive move to shore up India’s dwindling air combat strength, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is reportedly preparing to procure 40 additional Rafale fighter jets from France through a government-to-government (G2G) deal—parallel to the imminent Rafale-M contract for the Indian Navy, which is likely to be signed in Delhi on April 28 or 29 when the French Defence Minister visits India.

Highly placed sources have confirmed to BharatShakti that high-level talks have been held recently between Indian and French officials, not just to conclude engine-related discussions with Safran for India’s helicopter programme but also to initiate groundwork on a second tranche of Rafale fighters for the IAF under what is being described as a fast-tracked MRFA-plus agreement.

Rafale Surge: IAF Eyes 40 More Jets as Navy Deal Nears Signing

In a decisive move to shore up India’s dwindling air combat strength, the Indian Air Force (IAF) is reportedly preparing to procure 40 additional Rafale fighter jets from France through a government

bharatshakti.in

India has been looking for a successor to the Su 30 MKI and the Su 57E is a very natural successor for the same. India in 2010s did not have the economy to support the Rafale purchase, AMCA and Su 57E.

However now, with a rising Military Industrial Complex and having the 4th largest economy (soon to be the 3rd largest economy) this is very much doable for us in 2025 and by 2030.

India once stood as a close collaborator in Russia’s fifth-generation fighter ambitions. As part of the now-defunct FGFA (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft) project, India had initially partnered with Russia but exited in 2018, citing concerns over cost, performance, and production delays.

Despite that setback, Russia has kept the door open. At the Aero India show in February 2025, Russia had proposed a “golden deal" offering early deliveries of the Sukhoi Su-57E, domestic manufacturing under India’s Make in India initiative, and cooperation in India’s indigenous Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) programme. Russian commentators even proposed an India-specific Su-57MKI variant outfitted with powerful long-range missiles.

Still, India has yet to respond officially. With no visible movement on the deal, the pitch remains, at best, aspirational.

Russia Wooing India With 'Rafale-Beater' Sukhoi Su-57E. Why Is The Deal Still Grounded?

Russia Sukhoi Fighter Jet: At Aero India 2025, Russia proposed a "golden deal" offering early deliveries of the Sukhoi Su-57E, under 'Make in India' initiative.

www.news18.com

According to a February 2025 report by Bulgarian news outlet Focus News, citing Algeria’s APS television, Algerian air force pilots have been training in Russia to operate the Su-57, with deliveries expected by the end of 2025.

Russia’s Su-57E stealth fighter to deploy overseas in 2025

Russia’s Su-57E stealth jet set for first foreign deployment in 2025, likely to Algeria. Explore its tech, Algeria’s motives, and regional impact.

bulgarianmilitary.com

View: https://x.com/BarkatAbdelaziz/status/1925781440806924665

 

[liberalredditor]

40 rafale repeat is logical, another new fighter with new infra and new logictics would be nightmare, 76 rafales would be good stopgap for tejas mk2 induction as well as amca mk1

hopefully the next 40 are f4 standard, but frenchies know how to squeeze every penny

"india specific enhancements" - astra mk1 integration - 100 million usd
mk2 - 150 M usd
mk3 - 200 M usd
brahmos - 300 M usd

india specific weather paint enhancement - 500 M usd

india specific this that - 1 B usd

thanks india for the money

 

[Tumba]

It is highly unlikely that the U.S. will provide India with the F-35 before 2035, leaving us with the Su-57, which is little more than vaporware, like many post-Soviet Russian products. Purchasing the Su-57 is akin to investing in a risky venture with uncertain returns.

Moreover, given that Russia has struggled to meet its own defense needs, how can it fulfill India’s requirements?

You are correct to doubt the Russians, but if we negotiate for full assembly line set up for SU57 and TOT for some critical components this can be workable akin to MKI,
F35 even if we get early than SU57 will come with no access to any Indian integrations and India will be forever depending on USA deep state for its strategic requirements

 

[BON PLAN]

40 rafale repeat is logical, another new fighter with new infra and new logictics would be nightmare, 76 rafales would be good stopgap for tejas mk2 induction as well as amca mk1

hopefully the next 40 are f4 standard, but frenchies know how to squeeze every penny

"india specific enhancements" - astra mk1 integration - 100 million usd
mk2 - 150 M usd
mk3 - 200 M usd
brahmos - 300 M usd

india specific weather paint enhancement - 500 M usd

india specific this that - 1 B usd

thanks india for the money

Proof ?
Evidence ?
if not it's a little bit too easy....

 

[Tumba]

40 rafale repeat is logical, another new fighter with new infra and new logictics would be nightmare, 76 rafales would be good stopgap for tejas mk2 induction as well as amca mk1

hopefully the next 40 are f4 standard, but frenchies know how to squeeze every penny

"india specific enhancements" - astra mk1 integration - 100 million usd
mk2 - 150 M usd
mk3 - 200 M usd
brahmos - 300 M usd

india specific weather paint enhancement - 500 M usd

india specific this that - 1 B usd

thanks india for the money

Frenchis only care about money, if India didnt take a chance with Rafale no one would have bought this fighter for sure,
We should not give them a penny more than we find justified if they ask for some crazy amount we should start replacing critical components on Rafale with Indian alternatives

 

[liberalredditor]

Proof ?
Evidence ?
if not it's a little bit too easy....

what proof?? what evidence??? just look at rafale M deal, 22 single seaters and 4 double seaters at fooking 63k crore??? and ig this time offsets bhi nahi hai

what evidence do you want?? gst bill??

 

[redpanda]

Ok, let's forget 2031 & all these news.
If you consider previous roll-out year of 2028 then also it is a record.
You should check other Indian forums, sites also bcoz info is spread in bits & pieces. For example some public documents are shared out about making CAD of production version, whch should have been completed by now.
It is collective delay by all past ruling parties of GoI & DoD units w.r.t. funding, facilities, tools, people, etc.
Action speak more than words.
You joined here this year on Feb-5 but I've been saying this since long time.

I'm frustrated too, brother. I was just pointing out that the 2031 rollout thing shown in thePrint isn’t something we should take for granted, that’s all. Even 2028–29 feels quite late, but hey, it’s still better than being delayed even further. I'm not a fan of the GoI or MoD either; they've consistently been ignorant and lenient when it comes to taking timely action on critical projects. But it is what it is, we can only hope for the best.

By the way, I'm an OG member from the old DFI days. I honestly thought DFI was gone to heaven for good, but a friend recently shared something from here, and that's how I found out it’s back in a new form.

 

[Spitfire IX]

Frenchis only care about money, if India didnt take a chance with Rafale no one would have bought this fighter for sure,
We should give them a penny more than we find justified if they ask for some crazy amount we should start replacing critical components on Rafale with Indian alternatives

Is India allowed to replace Rafale parts?

 

[BON PLAN]

Frenchis only care about money, if India didnt take a chance with Rafale no one would have bought this fighter for sure,
We should give them a penny more than we find justified if they ask for some crazy amount we should start replacing critical components on Rafale with Indian alternatives

YOU LOOSE !
Egypt first,
Quatar second
India only third customer.

And in term of Qty, UAE > India.

IF INDIA REALLY DIDN'T NEED THIS BIRD, THERE WERE SO MANY OTHER POSSIBILITY..... Why didn't India clinch a Mig 35 deal? a EF2000 deal? a SH18 for navy deal?

So stop. Be serious man.

what proof?? what evidence??? just look at rafale M deal, 22 single seaters and 4 double seaters at fooking 63k crore??? and ig this time offsets bhi nahi hai

what evidence do you want?? gst bill??

So why did you inked this deal? Are you all fools ?

You seems not to know that this price is not only for 26 birds. But also multiyears support (even probably for IAF), new batch of weapons, new training equipments....

Stop your french basching please.

 

[sameer]

Is India allowed to replace Rafale parts?

Replacing parts esp anything related/connected to avionics would need deeper access to the bird, possibly the source code, which is not happening. No way DA will ever give that away.

 

[liberalredditor]

So why did you inked this deal?

So why did Dassault enter the mmrca and mrfa tender???

Frenchies have got some special rights or what to charge us exorbitantly high for 26 birds??? Why so much ego and attitude bro, if we wouldnt have brought 36 rafales you wouldnt have got 50k crores, not a small amount
We are buying, we are the buyer, we can show as much ego as we want, dont tell us what should we buy and at what price

Dont worry, last import hai may be ye 40 rafale ya su57
Iske baad to full atmanirbhar

 

[Tumba]

Is India allowed to replace Rafale parts?

Ofcourse frenchis will ask for moon if India goes to them as good boys see what chinis did to Ruskis, I am pretty sure we can do that too but ofcourse we are a demoCRAZY so need to respect IP

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

I'm frustrated too, brother. I was just pointing out that the 2031 rollout thing shown in thePrint isn’t something we should take for granted, that’s all. Even 2028–29 feels quite late, but hey, it’s still better than being delayed even further. I'm not a fan of the GoI or MoD either; they've consistently been ignorant and lenient when it comes to taking timely action on critical projects. But it is what it is, we can only hope for the best.

By the way, I'm an OG member from the old DFI days. I honestly thought DFI was gone to heaven for good, but a friend recently shared something from here, and that's how I found out it’s back in a new form.

The time has come to level up with following countries:
basically all countries smaller than us, yet ahead:
S.Korea, Sweden, France, Germany, UK, Israel, Japan.

Its now or never.Otherwise world will laugh on us forever that we couldn't use our highest population, globally successfull abroad, but domestic failure.

 

[Mangal]

We should consider the pros and cons of joining the Japanese project. Infact the option of South Korean 5th gen jet should be explored aswell. We are in a desperate situation. What if the 2034 deadline is missed. There should be a parallel backup plan. In all likelihood Japanese program will be completed earlier than AMCA 2034. It's s sixth gen craft. Also, though the south korean aircraft has been produced with US help, we should just check it if it can fit the bill for us.

 

[pipebomb]

Amca is the most delayed program



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Funny how bhadauria ji left and chaudhari took over AMCA has gone to sh!t

 

[pipebomb]

Deep down we all knew this anyway. There's no way AMCA first flight would come within 3-4 years of ccs approval, given the delays that we've seen with the mk2 program.

Either way, this confirms what many members have been predicting which is that we might not see mass induction by 2040. An absolute shame given the situation that we're in.

The only silver lining is that HAL won't have the monopoly and has to compete. Not sure how this is going to work given that private companies have had apprehensions about this program previously, but we'll have to see.

Such a bummer man.

AMCA's design needs to be modified if it's delayed beyond 2035 IMHO. AMCA in its current design seems inadequate in strike role. A little foresight now will serve IAF better in future. (Navy has the foresight to dump TEDBF). Russia can help expedited the design work with a handsome sum of rupees. (Remember Russia helped us increase Tejas' AOA)

 

[Noob_Saibot]

This is a colossal frickin disaster.

All the smart people here were saying we don't need to buy 5th gen, we need to put all our eggs in the AMCA basket, because atmanirbharta and all the other fluff.

Meanwhile, this is realistically not going to be inducted before 2037-38 if things go to plan (big IF), when our enemies will be flying 6th gen and testing 7th gen aircraft.

Bloody Pakis will close the capability gap and actually get an edge over us in the next 5 years.

Meanwhile our great leaders can twiddle their frickin thumbs and indulge in bravado and self aggrandizing behavior for the domestic audience, waiting for Pakis and Chinis to completely destroy the threat perception of our AF.

Great effing job.

And this is not even touching on the numbers part, where we are horribly short of the required 40 plus squadrons.

Yeah lets invest in AD and missiles and pray that it will be enough to deter our foes.

 

[LastMythin]

This is a colossal frickin disaster.

All the smart people here were saying we don't need to buy 5th gen, we need to put all our eggs in the AMCA basket, because atmanirbharta and all the other fluff.

Meanwhile, this is realistically not going to be inducted before 2037-38 if things go to plan (big IF), when our enemies will be flying 6th gen and testing 7th gen aircraft.

Bloody Pakis will close the capability gap and actually get an edge over us in the next 5 years.

Meanwhile our great leaders can twiddle their frickin thumbs and indulge in bravado and self aggrandizing behavior for the domestic audience, waiting for Pakis and Chinis to completely destroy the threat perception of our AF.

Great effing job.

And this is not even touching on the numbers part, where we are horribly short of the required 40 plus squadrons.

Yeah lets invest in AD and missiles and pray that it will be enough to deter our foes.

Yes saaar! the chong will be flying 12th gen gets in 2029 while iaf will only ww1 biplanes

su-57 is post soviet vaporware filled so many uncertainties ,production delays and tall claims that you would think it is a HAL undertaking.
F-35's are not coming until the mid 2030's even if the process to formally purchase them begins tomorrow. This is of course ignoring all the strings the thing will come attached with.
The only 5th gen we can get in a short period of time reliably is actually j 35 kek

 

[Anonymous Bharata]

AMCA's design needs to be modified if it's delayed beyond 2035 IMHO. AMCA in its current design seems inadequate in strike role. A little foresight now will serve IAF better in future. (Navy has the foresight to dump TEDBF). Russia can help expedited the design work with a handsome sum of rupees. (Remember Russia helped us increase Tejas' AOA)

Navy has the foresight my @$$.... They should have asked for a stealth fighter in 2019 itself, instead they asked 4.5Gen TEDBF and then again want a 5th gen now, by doing so wasted 5 years of precious time