AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

[ArjunMK1A]

I think we should seriously seek Lockheed or Boeing's help to fast track amca so that IAF could start inducting it at the very least by early 2030s. 2036 is just too late we would be without any proper air deterrent for just too long imo. Also we don't have any other import option SU57 is just no match for j20 and us won't sell us their f35, amca is the only logical option.

Naah. Lot of components were in various stage of development.

1. Radar - Available now.
2. MAWS - DRDO already have the basic MAWS which will be used in Tejas MK2, current working on Advance version.
3. RWR -Already available.
4. EOTS - Under Prototype and will undergo testing.

Now big road block is engine. That 130KN engine is required and we don't know who will be the JV Partner.

The one area the consultation required is poor IWB design. I am not happy with 4 hardpoint when F22 have 6+2, J20 have 6 (4 in IWB and 2 in SWB). We don't have SWB to put CCM Missile.

Our designer needs to go for some serious packaging.

 

[darkflame]

Naah. Lot of components were in various stage of development.

1. Radar - Available now.
2. MAWS - DRDO already have the basic MAWS which will be used in Tejas MK2, current working on Advance version.
3. RWR -Already available.
4. EOTS - Under Prototype and will undergo testing.

Now big road block is engine. That 130KN engine is required and we don't know who will be the JV Partner.

The one area the consultation required is poor IWB design. I am not happy with 4 hardpoint when F22 have 6+2, J20 have 6 (4 in IWB and 2 in SWB). We don't have SWB to put CCM Missile.

Our designer needs to go for some serious packaging.

Doesn't really matter what stuff we already have and what we don't . If amca mk2 arrives in 2040 it just won't be much useful 6th gen fighters have already taken their first flight they will have larger radars, bigger engines, dew weapons amca will just get bullied by these fighters.
And if you look at our current inventory it's just pure garbage severe lack of tip of the spear platform just 2 squadrons worth of fighters are equipped with an aesa radar.
Even Taiwan's airforce is better than us
They have like 140 f16s and all of them are aesa equipped. They also have over 60 f16s on order.
Iaf is just pure joke now idk why they are ranked 4th strongest just see in just few coming years they will be like 7th or 8th

 

[Spitfire IX]

I think we should seriously seek Lockheed or Boeing's help to fast track amca so that IAF could start inducting it at the very least by early 2030s. 2036 is just too late we would be without any proper air deterrent for just too long imo. Also we don't have any other import option SU57 is just no match for j20 and us won't sell us their f35, amca is the only logical option.

The AMCA programme has been going for 15 years. If it needed to be in service by 2030, running appraisals of progress and estimated start of production date would have shown several years ago that the EIS date was not going to be met. Neither Boeing or LM or anyone else can fastrack AMCA which has inadequate slowtrack project management.

Yes, input from foreign OEM's would be useful if ADA is not able to design an effective aircraft but I thought the design was frozen about 18 months ago. and accepted by CCS about a year ago.

I think that the proposed 'HAL is in charge' joint venture with a plethora of private companies participating is a terrible idea. I think that a single, dynamic company is needed to take on manufacturing AMCA.

Because GOI will not order before certification, my guess at timeline

FF 2028/2029
Certification 2032/2033
Aircraft ordered 2033/2034
Production start ???
First deliveries 2/3 years after production start

No company is going to start spending tens of millions of dollars on setting up an assembly operation before it has an order. How long does it take to set up an FAL? There is likely to be a big gap between an order being placed and production starting.

If IAF is going to fly a 5G fighter in the 2030's, I think it needs to order something foreign.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Naah. Lot of components were in various stage of development.

1. Radar - Available now.
2. MAWS - DRDO already have the basic MAWS which will be used in Tejas MK2, current working on Advance version.
3. RWR -Already available.
4. EOTS - Under Prototype and will undergo testing.

Now big road block is engine. That 130KN engine is required and we don't know who will be the JV Partner.

The one area the consultation required is poor IWB design. I am not happy with 4 hardpoint when F22 have 6+2, J20 have 6 (4 in IWB and 2 in SWB). We don't have SWB to put CCM Missile.

Our designer needs to go for some serious packaging.

You're forgetting that AMCA'sofficial dimensions of 4.2m X 2.2m can easily have 6 staggered short-fin AAMs.
If they wan't they can carve out 2 SWBs for 1 CCM each also.
IDK why journalists don't ask these questions while visiting DoD facilities. They just go for time pass

 

[randombully]

The AMCA programme has been going for 15 years

AMCA program started in mid-late 2018, that was when we pulled out of su57 program with Russia and gov. Approved amca program And funding started.
Before 2018, amca was a concept that drdo was showing to mod in hope of getting the project started.
The detail design of amca started after 2018, the configuration, weight, sensor suite, engine etc All discussions started after 2018.

Before 2018, drdo only did some "preliminary" work inhouse.

 

[Asmodeus]

Y'all got baited so easily... Everyone knows LM helping in AMCA, thats not a possibility.
Now we are stuck with justifying the timelines and progress and other devlopements..
while some of us may disregard every other devlopement and progress because its on paper and cannot be proven, therefore we should seek help from others.
Ergo, we are incompetant and should not become overconfident when discussing their(Murican) jets.

Muricans are masters of psyops.... Idk I could be wrong though!!

 

[Spitfire IX]

AMCA program started in mid-late 2018, that was when we pulled out of su57 program with Russia and gov. Approved amca program And funding started.
Before 2018, amca was a concept that drdo was showing to mod in hope of getting the project started.
The detail design of amca started after 2018, the configuration, weight, sensor suite, engine etc All discussions started after 2018.

Before 2018, drdo only did some "preliminary" work inhouse.

In April 2010, the Indian Air Force issued an Air Staff Qualitative Requirement (ASQR) for the AMCA. A feasibility study was launched in October 2010 after a fund allocation of ₹90 crore (equivalent to ₹202 crore or US$24 million in 2023) by the Defence Ministry. In November, the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) sought an additional funding of ₹9,000 crore (equivalent to ₹200 billion or US$2.4 billion in 2023) for the development of two technology demonstrators and seven prototypes. By the time, the first flight was expected in 2017.

HAL AMCA - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Make of it what you will. I'll stick to the 'conventional wisdom' that AMCA, KF-21 and KAAN programmes all started in 2010.

 

[randombully]

HAL AMCA - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Make of it what you will. I'll stick to the 'conventional wisdom' that AMCA, KF-21 and KAAN programmes all started in 2010.

You consider a feasibility study and measily 24 million as start of the program?

Again, gov. And iaf was betting on su57 till 2018.
The "serious" development started after gov. Pulled out of su57 program.