AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (9 Viewers)

[shade2]

Sadly that's the truth
Our entire nation thinks:-
If we can import something then no need to build it.
Knowing this in order to cap our capability foreign companies never say no to us and provide equipments with limited capabilities at high price

The party that should be interested in building the AMCA wants to Import F-35

Meanwhile, another "relative" of this party is pumping out ships every year and gets more ships approved by Baboons easily.

As i've said there is no seriousness for the AMCA/MWF/Tejas projects, neither for the Astra and Rudram series.

Dalals are very strong in this country, one who tried to change died of cancer the other died in plane crash( pilot error ofc )

So much so the PMO also has given up

The entire nation unfortunately will pay for the actions of a handful of traitors, dalals and other such greedy snakes.

 

[AGNI 6 ICBM]

IMO we should go for Naval AMCA instead of TEDBF


View: https://x.com/prudhvitej32/status/1893007209719832781

IAF would get 200+ AMCA (Reported by ANI)

Navy wants 145 for it's 3 carriers

So if we go with Naval AMCA instead of TEDBF we can have 345 AMCA in TOTO

So production rate would be 36 jets/year

18 jets/year by HAL & 18 jets/year by Pvt line

Those 15,000 Cr for TEDBF Development can be used to develop 120 Kn engine for AMCA

Unit cost of AMCA would go down too....

AMCA for anti ship role can have 4 x Sea breaker in it's IWB

Sea breaker fits perfectly in AMCA IWB capacity (1.6 Tons)
4 x 400 kg Sea breaker = 1600 Kg


Navy too wants 5th gen TEDBF & IMO it will be hard for current 4.5 gen tedbf to face chinese 5 th gen Naval fighter's in future....bcoz of our current ski jump aircraft carriers fuel carrying capacity of AMCA will be affected and we might see decreased range

Internal anti ship cruise missiles can reduce drag too so Naval amca would have more range than TEDBF

Currently Government is struggling to get pvt players(private production line) for AMCA program

Let's take Unit cost of each AMCA as 150 Mn so 345 AMCA's would need 52 Bn & 26 Bn would go to private players if they agree for pvt production line.....

26 Bn will attract pvt players


Only risk is

View: https://x.com/Firezstarter1/status/1893058480581259558

Imagine having 345 AMCA's in service


AMCA can have 6 x Ground attack missiles in single sortie (2 x Rudram-3 externally and 4 x Sea breaker internally).

1 risky move so we get two benefits....This move is absolute death to fifth gen imports (su57 & f35) and 120 Kn engine problem

Production starting from 2034 and continues till 2044, By 2034 our GDP would be will be 10 Tn and defence budget would be 200-250 Bn so 52 Bn wouldn't trouble much

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Hi , question can't we try to use f110 for amca ? If possible

You have to redesign the intakes and structural design. Delay of another 5-10 years so first flight in 2038-2040 instead of 2028.

IMO, along with AMCA,
we should immediately start negotiating for one of F110/F100/AL41, expand AMCA, like LCA to MWF, to build prototype of a better jet. Even that could be PPP (Public Private Partnership).

 

[shade2]

IMO we should go for Naval AMCA instead of TEDBF


View: https://x.com/prudhvitej32/status/1893007209719832781

IAF would get 200+ AMCA (Reported by ANI)

Navy wants 145 for it's 3 carriers

So if we go with Naval AMCA instead of TEDBF we can have 345 AMCA in TOTO

So production rate would be 36 jets/year

18 jets/year by HAL & 18 jets/year by Pvt line

Those 15,000 Cr for TEDBF Development can be used to develop 120 Kn engine for AMCA

Unit cost of AMCA would go down too....

AMCA for anti ship role can have 4 x Sea breaker in it's IWB

Sea breaker fits perfectly in AMCA IWB capacity (1.6 Tons)
4 x 400 kg Sea breaker = 1600 Kg
View attachment 40353

Navy too wants 5th gen TEDBF & IMO it will be hard for current 4.5 gen tedbf to face chinese 5 th gen Naval fighter's in future....bcoz of our current ski jump aircraft carriers fuel carrying capacity of AMCA will be affected and we might see decreased range

Internal anti ship cruise missiles can reduce drag too so Naval amca would have more range than TEDBF

Currently Government is struggling to get pvt players(private production line) for AMCA program

Let's take Unit cost of each AMCA as 150 Mn so 345 AMCA's would need 52 Bn & 26 Bn would go to private players if they agree for pvt production line.....

26 Bn will attract pvt players


Only risk is

View: https://x.com/Firezstarter1/status/1893058480581259558

Imagine having 345 AMCA's in service
View attachment 40357

AMCA can have 6 x Ground attack missiles in single sortie (2 x Rudram-3 externally and 4 x Sea breaker internally).

1 risky move so we get two benefits....This move is absolute death to fifth gen imports (su57 & f35) and 120 Kn engine problem

Production starting from 2034 and continues till 2044, By 2034 our GDP would be will be 10 Tn and defence budget would be 200-250 Bn so 52 Bn wouldn't trouble much

It's a logical decision but even AMCA will end up like Tejas in best case scenario.

TEDBF for Navy onleee is retarded, the order quantity will be too low to justify some hipster design and tooling etc

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

even AMCA will end up like Tejas in best case scenario.

How? Why?
Time to ask to BABUs - Does India have 1987 tech in 2025 which was used to redesign YF-22 in just 3 months?"

 

[shade2]

How? Why?

Moon and mars trial testing

additional features demand

features which cause delay, change the jet's specs( example weight gain ) or are unobtainium( super cruise )

which users will then complain about

repeat the cycle till F-35 Block 4/20 is purchased

Worked with Rafale, Will work for F-35, proven technique

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Moon and mars trial testing

additional features demand

features which cause delay, change the jet's specs( example weight gain ) or are unobtainium( super cruise )

which users will then complain about

repeat the cycle till F-35 Block 4/20 is purchased

Worked with Rafale, Will work for F-35, proven technique

If country A, especially smaller can work something in a time frame, but not country B, especially bigger, then latter is relatively either less expert/capable/equipped &/or more corrupt.
As decades pass by, citizens become educated, if the same gap persists then it is case of collective incapability &./or corruption (user AF + govt./MoD + designer + maker) .

 

[Noob_Saibot]

F-35 hi aayega


10 years in the future

This is only science project for DRDO/HAL/ADA fellas.

You never heard about the nuke and Agni ICBM programs having all these baboon bullshit jargon procedures like EOI wagera, shows how seriously it is taken

F35 lauda aayega, given the way things are going with the US.

The are never selling us the F35 without forcing us to procure F16 in significant numbers. Trump bs aside, it's never clearing their processes given the Russian equipment we use.

And even if it comes, there will be so many strings attached you can make those units the lead characters of puppet shows across India.

Blackmail over usage, kill switches, choke hold over spare parts supply and maintenance operations and hundreds of orher disadvantages.

Might as well as buy 100s more Tejas as those will be actually useful in combat.

 

[Noob_Saibot]

IMO we should go for Naval AMCA instead of TEDBF


View: https://x.com/prudhvitej32/status/1893007209719832781

IAF would get 200+ AMCA (Reported by ANI)

Navy wants 145 for it's 3 carriers

So if we go with Naval AMCA instead of TEDBF we can have 345 AMCA in TOTO

So production rate would be 36 jets/year

18 jets/year by HAL & 18 jets/year by Pvt line

Those 15,000 Cr for TEDBF Development can be used to develop 120 Kn engine for AMCA

Unit cost of AMCA would go down too....

AMCA for anti ship role can have 4 x Sea breaker in it's IWB

Sea breaker fits perfectly in AMCA IWB capacity (1.6 Tons)
4 x 400 kg Sea breaker = 1600 Kg
View attachment 40353

Navy too wants 5th gen TEDBF & IMO it will be hard for current 4.5 gen tedbf to face chinese 5 th gen Naval fighter's in future....bcoz of our current ski jump aircraft carriers fuel carrying capacity of AMCA will be affected and we might see decreased range

Internal anti ship cruise missiles can reduce drag too so Naval amca would have more range than TEDBF

Currently Government is struggling to get pvt players(private production line) for AMCA program

Let's take Unit cost of each AMCA as 150 Mn so 345 AMCA's would need 52 Bn & 26 Bn would go to private players if they agree for pvt production line.....

26 Bn will attract pvt players


Only risk is

View: https://x.com/Firezstarter1/status/1893058480581259558

Imagine having 345 AMCA's in service
View attachment 40357

AMCA can have 6 x Ground attack missiles in single sortie (2 x Rudram-3 externally and 4 x Sea breaker internally).

1 risky move so we get two benefits....This move is absolute death to fifth gen imports (su57 & f35) and 120 Kn engine problem

Production starting from 2034 and continues till 2044, By 2034 our GDP would be will be 10 Tn and defence budget would be 200-250 Bn so 52 Bn wouldn't trouble much

Production starting in 2034?

Bhai mast maal phookte ho tum sab with these predictions.

 

[shade2]

F35 lauda aayega, given the way things are going with the US.

The are never selling us the F35 without forcing us to procure F16 in significant numbers. Trump bs aside, it's never clearing their processes given the Russian equipment we use.

And even if it comes, there will be so many strings attached you can make those units the lead characters of puppet shows across India.

Blackmail over usage, kill switches, choke hold over spare parts supply and maintenance operations and hundreds of orher disadvantages.

Might as well as buy 100s more Tejas as those will be actually useful in combat.

Pata hai but dalals will do loud rudali every year that passes and we don't have a phipth jen stealth faita but Pakistan "will get J-35 and F-35".

Su-57 will not come because muh CAATSA, muh goras upset, not because it's a mediocre plane.

We are GG fucked from every angle unless they take AMCA development seriously especially with one version without Amerishart/Britshit engines.


Rafale is only a stop gap, once govt places the order for that, the UN Generols will start clamoring for F-35, mark my words.

 

[Noob_Saibot]

Pata hai but dalals will do loud rudali every year that passes and we don't have a phipth jen stealth faita but Pakistan "will get J-35 and F-35".

Su-57 will not come because muh CAATSA, muh goras upset, not because it's a mediocre plane.

We are GG fucked from every angle unless they take AMCA development seriously especially with one version without Amerishart/Britshit engines.


Rafale is only a stop gap, once govt places the order for that, the UN Generols will start clamoring for F-35, mark my words.

Overall agreed, but i am not convinced the Su-57 is out of the picture.

Especially if Putin swallows his ego and ends the war this year, using lifting of sanctions as a precondition, it might make it much easier to do business with the Ruskis.

Plus this is bot going to be a straight purchase deal, this will be a JV type deal with some fly away units and then local manufacturing, ToT and the works. Might be easier to sell it to Americunts.

Also we have said fuck you to them before in the name of national security(s400), we can do it again.

But agree AMCA is THE solution and needs to be prioritised. Throw everything at it to make the programme deliver on time, screw the budget.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

Pata hai but dalals will do loud rudali every year that passes and we don't have a phipth jen stealth faita but Pakistan "will get J-35 and F-35".

Su-57 will not come because muh CAATSA, muh goras upset, not because it's a mediocre plane.

We are GG fucked from every angle unless they take AMCA development seriously especially with one version without Amerishart/Britshit engines.


Rafale is only a stop gap, once govt places the order for that, the UN Generols will start clamoring for F-35, mark my words.

Approval for AMCA got delayed by like 2-3 years because babus were taking sweet time issuing notices with unrealistic demand to pvt companies, for some reason our govt thought that pvt sector is gonna magically create an entire Aviation supply chain out of thin air, only after news of pak fauj buying J-35 did these guys woke up from sleep and agreed on a collab project with govt entities.

AMCA and like many other projects are victim of chindigiri and idiotic processes.

 

[DancingPeacock]

Anyone shilling for F-35 I will tell one thing.

We all know one of the most precious asset of us that exceeds even USAF own's asset is our EL/W-2090 AWACS. IAF ordered them initially and they struggled to implement network centric warfare in them. Morever USA actively prevented inserting Net Centric Warfare to make sure IAF is always Sem2Sem with Porkies. When IAF wanted to order more, this was one of the technical hurdle along with the extorbitant cost. Cost was never always the problem for India, but that tech hurdle was the main that prevented us from ordering further more, otherwise it was one of the most advanced AWACS. So, we now know how sincere USA is.

An F-35 that can't talk to others is useless. Iam still astonished by people who shill for F-35. How the fuck a F-35 talk to some Sukhoi or AWACS?

 

[Noob_Saibot]

F35 is not coming. Get over it people.

As a matter of principle, we should not buy ANY strategic military assets from the US.

They are fucking snakes. The sooner the global hegemony of the US ends the better it is for the world.

China is our enemy but they are the only motherfuckers who can act to reign in the American cunts in the next decade.

If only the Chinks were not our enemies and the allies of the Jihadis, a Russia-India-China alliance would fuck the Americans in the arse geopolitically.

But sadly the chinks have sided with the islamic degenerates.

 

[silentassassin265]

Pata hai but dalals will do loud rudali every year that passes and we don't have a phipth jen stealth faita but Pakistan "will get J-35 and F-35".

Su-57 will not come because muh CAATSA, muh goras upset, not because it's a mediocre plane.

We are GG fucked from every angle unless they take AMCA development seriously especially with one version without Amerishart/Britshit engines.


Rafale is only a stop gap, once govt places the order for that, the UN Generols will start clamoring for F-35, mark my words.

Burgericans stopped the japanese 5th gen program and threatened them against making their own engine, they have now joined 6th gen europe program which is just a fantasy.

Burgericans wants to be sole 5th gen aircraft producer and people here are thinking we will magically get AMCA in 2035.
Mark my words burgers will derail the AMCA project by hook or crook

 

[shade2]

Anyone shilling for F-35 I will tell one thing.

We all know one of the most precious asset of us that exceeds even USAF own's asset is our EL/W-2090 AWACS. IAF ordered them initially and they struggled to implement network centric warfare in them. Morever USA actively prevented inserting Net Centric Warfare to make sure IAF is always Sem2Sem with Porkies. When IAF wanted to order more, this was one of the technical hurdle along with the extorbitant cost. Cost was never always the problem for India, but that tech hurdle was the main that prevented us from ordering further more, otherwise it was one of the most advanced AWACS. So, we now know how sincere USA is.

An F-35 that can't talk to others is useless. Iam still astonished by people who shill for F-35. How the fuck a F-35 talk to some Sukhoi or AWACS?

F35 is not coming. Get over it people.

As a matter of principle, we should not buy ANY strategic military assets from the US.

They are fucking snakes. The sooner the global hegemony of the US ends the better it is for the world.

China is our enemy but they are the only motherfuckers who can act to reign in the American cunts in the next decade.

If only the Chinks were not our enemies and the allies of the Jihadis, a Russia-India-China alliance would fuck the Americans in the arse geopolitically.

But sadly the chinks have sided with the islamic degenerates.

Saars, not shilling for F-35, if you read my previous posts here you'll find me roasting it and Amerisharts, just saying it is ((( inevitable ))) considering the pessimistic environment of "Dalals winning" in this country.

After 25 years of stone walling Tejas with the usual tricks, they finally have managed to get a Rafale deal again, all signals point towards this.

This ofc happened because of the very real problem of dropping squadrons, even Chindi govt's hand is forced

Considering this is a success, they will apply the same pattern to AMCA to get the F-35

Approval for AMCA got delayed by like 2-3 years because babus were taking sweet time issuing notices with unrealistic demand to pvt companies, for some reason our govt thought that pvt sector is gonna magically create an entire Aviation supply chain out of thin air, only after news of pak fauj buying J-35 did these guys woke up from sleep and agreed on a collab project with govt entities.

AMCA and like many other projects are victim of chindigiri and idiotic processes.

If AMCA was taken seriously by all stakeholders involved all idiotic processes would be hand waved away and floodgates of funding would be opened.
Alas.

 

[shade2]

Burgericans stopped the japanese 5th gen program and threatened them against making their own engine, they have now joined 6th gen europe program which is just a fantasy.

Burgericans wants to be sole 5th gen aircraft producer and people here are thinking we will magically get AMCA in 2035.
Mark my words burgers will derail the AMCA project by hook or crook

Americunts don't need to derail, our Babooze, UN Marshlols and chindi Govt are enough to do it.

 

[silentassassin265]

Americunts don't need to derail, our Babooze, UN Marshlols and chindi Govt are enough to do it.

Even if somehow babboze magically start working, how are we going to get engine and several subsystem which are made by burgers and their slave states.
We are unable to produce mk1a on our own now, russian platforms provides us much more freedom than any other.

 

[shade2]

Even if somehow babboze magically start working, how are we going to get engine and several subsystem which are made by burgers and their slave states.
We are unable to produce mk1a on our own now, russian platforms provides us much more freedom than any other.

Roosi maal for engines, AL-31FP engine is there.

As for electronics etc those have to be smuggled in if we get sanctioned or stocked currently, then we need to go Chinese and make our own equivalents.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

 

[DancingPeacock]

I for once is astonished how it works in West regarding Military acquisitions. The thing that blowed my mind is US Congress literally orders the DoD to procure Product-X for this amount of numbers or limit Product-Y for this amount of numbers or run the production line of Product-Z for 10 more years. DoD and Pentagon should implement that immediately after that.

How would that work here? Is it only passive orders? Can't govt ask them to order 100 Tejas and so? Why not these Forces follow Western model? Afterall Western gear is better right? Why not import ideologies, methodolgies, administrative frameworks also? What we effectively got is a quite "Abyssal Stare" model. The MoD here showcases generals products and they won't order it but they send proposals like wanting 3000 F-35s.