AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (11 Viewers)

[randombully]

I agree with what this guy says, but do y'all think it's possible to get a non-prototype usable plane in a mere 2 years even in barebone config?


View: https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1932753621755834860

HIGHLY ambitious, but yes.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Pakistan will get J35 by 2030

View: https://youtu.be/C14_QvQNcVI?si=0atdbnrbPYFo7-TZ

 

[Spitfire IX]

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I don't see how any company will be in a position to offer prices to assemble AMCA at this point unless a date for production to start, how many and at what rate is given in the RFP.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

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What is happening Anons,
RFP for Consortium?

View: https://x.com/CNBCTV18News/status/1932740119477494124

Program started in 2010, prototype under construction but RFP (Request For Proposal) next week???????
This is confusing.
RFP happens before design phase, right?

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

I agree with what this guy says, but do y'all think it's possible to get a non-prototype usable plane in a mere 2 years even in barebone config?


View: https://x.com/hukum2082/status/1932753621755834860

If it is only about flying prototype then non-afterburning Kaveri can work.
We can try to deal with France for M-88 also.

 

[randombully]

Program started in 2010, prototype under construction but RFP (Request For Proposal) next week???????
This is confusing.
RFP happens before design phase, right?

Rfp for "manufacturing" once development is done.
Program didn't start in 2010, it started in 2018 when gov. Decided to exist from fgfa/su57 and decided to give domestic amca a shot.
Before 2018, it was just drdo showing models and doing basic design work, in hope to get project started.

 

[jaijaganath]

Yeh su-57 kaha se aya
I thinks its some dalali by media houses
Coz 40 rafales are definitely coming

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Rfp for "manufacturing" once development is done.
Program didn't start in 2010, it started in 2018 when gov. Decided to exist from fgfa/su57 and decided to give domestic amca a shot.
Before 2018, it was just drdo showing models and doing basic design work, in hope to get project started.

The DoD guys, program managers themselves said that program started in 2010.
But their BABU culture definition of start could mean tea talks & booze-brainstorming
Anyways, they did make the preliminary shape, CAD, wind tunnel tests, some CFD, we have the design iteration diagram also. But all this took much more time of 15 years + govt./MoD delays.

And now some people want F404 based prototype, which could have been done along LCA. Heck, we could have made stealth ALCA with 2xF404. Just imagine a stealthy F-18 A/B/C/D, like i shared a CAD of stealthy F-18 SH. But 1x F404 based how many LCA we have, HAL being scolded by IAF.

So it is a joint delay by everyone on requirement, fund, facilities, tools, design, review, approval, etc.
sab milke hage hain. sabka saath sabki hagas.

 

[randombully]

Yeh su-57 kaha se aya
I thinks its some dalali by media houses
Coz 40 rafales are definitely coming

Unfortunately it's serious.
Considerations are underway, high level discussions taking place.

 

[ashes]

Unfortunately it's serious.
Considerations are underway, high level discussions taking place.

Stop gap or large quantity?

 

[Spitfire IX]

Indonesia orders a 5G fighter

Indonesia signs agreement for 48 Kaan fighters

Indonesia has entered an agreement for 48 Turkish Aerospace Kaan fighters, marking the first international commitment for the type, which is still in development.

www.flightglobal.com

There's money in 5G fighters if you are organised and get them developed.

 

[randombully]

Indonesia orders a 5G fighter

Indonesia signs agreement for 48 Kaan fighters

Indonesia has entered an agreement for 48 Turkish Aerospace Kaan fighters, marking the first international commitment for the type, which is still in development.

www.flightglobal.com

There's money in 5G fighters if you are organised and get them developed.

Its an " mou"

 

[randombully]

Stop gap or large quantity?

Russians are looking for large order(~100nos) with all this tech transfer and domestic production, and even offering source code.
Whether order will be given or not, large or stop gap, will come out after discussion are concluded.

 

[chnvipgz]

Indonesia orders a 5G fighter

Indonesia signs agreement for 48 Kaan fighters

Indonesia has entered an agreement for 48 Turkish Aerospace Kaan fighters, marking the first international commitment for the type, which is still in development.

www.flightglobal.com

There's money in 5G fighters if you are organised and get them developed.

What happened to one such mou with korea and kf21 they were building together .

 

[chnvipgz]

Russians are looking for large order(~100nos) with all this tech transfer and domestic production, and even offering source code.
Whether order will be given or not, large or stop gap, will come out after discussion are concluded.

In today's drone world it's useless to have so much human piloted jets if 100 is the number then only Amca will suffice.

 

[randombully]

What happened to one such mou with korea and kf21 they were building together .

Well, let's say some disagreements happened.

 

[redpanda]

Well, let's say some disagreements happened.

Didn't Indonesian engineers tried stealing some data from Kf21 project to possibly sell it to NK or China? Or it was some other incident?

 

[LastMythin]

Russians are looking for large order(~100nos) with all this tech transfer and domestic production, and even offering source code.
Whether order will be given or not, large or stop gap, will come out after discussion are concluded.

if we do get that large a order then it is not really a stopgap but just the AMCA replacement. Forget any real progress on that project until the 2040s

 

[A Chauhan]

If it is only about flying prototype then non-afterburning Kaveri can work.
We can try to deal with France for M-88 also.

This should have been the way to work on AMCA. Other countries also do the same, till they develop the right engine. But perhaps Kaveri wasn't fit enough, now the case is different.

 

[randombully]

Didn't Indonesian engineers tried stealing some data from Kf21 project to possibly sell it to NK or China? Or it was some other incident?

Na, they didn’t steal, they saw/were shown some Data they weren't supposed to, it was more of negligence on engineers on SK side.

The disagreements I'm talking about are about "payment".

Even for this MOU for kaan, Indonesia doesn't have any additional Capex to pay for it, though Turkey is promoting an "MOU" as signed deal.