AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

[Corvus Splendens]

Yes, buy the Su-57 and kill of our indigenous fighter program. What could possibly go wrong?

The Su-57 can only be a Su-30 replacement. It's not a 5th gen fighter to begin with.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Behold the A-LCA, inspired off the 2014 AMCA version with diamond wings, known to be the stealthiest one yet but couldn't be continued as wings were too small. It'll however fit a single-engine light fighter.
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Chinks are talking about pain Pakis an old nuke-sub next year. If they take delivery of 60 J-35s between 2027-30, we'll be stranded.

Su-57 is not the answer. It's the bullshit you write to make you answers long enough.

I strongly believe India will go for 36-40 F 35A fighters in the interim given that Trump had offered the same in 2018. Post 20th January 2024, Trump will again offer the F 35A but will seek heavy concessions such as a Stryker deal.

U.S. Pacific Command Boss Mentions Potential Sale Of F-35 To India​

“At the moment, India is considering a number of U.S. systems for purchase, all of which USPACOM fully supports: the F-16 for India’s large single-engine, multi-role fighter acquisition program; the F/A-18E for India’s multi-engine, carrier-based fighter purchase; a reorder of 12-15 P-8Is; a potential purchase of SeaGuardian UAS; MH-60R multi-role sea-based helicopter; and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter…

The possibility of F-35s wearing Indian Air Force roundels is not new. During the Obama Administration, as India tightened up more and more with the United States, the possibility was often discussed in defense circles and by the author of this post. But that administration was far heavier handed when it came to controlling weapons exports compared to the Trump Administration, which has a not so secret affinity for selling American weaponry to allies abroad.

https://www.twz.com/19268/u-s-pacific-command-boss-mentions-potential-sale-of-f-35-to-india-report

Also there are signs that the USAF may divest it's planned F 35 inventory due to NGAD's evolving nature and CCA. The US has a habit of peddling it's older tech (F-16, F-15, F-18) to client nations like India, Israel, UK, Australia, Germany, etc.

Air Force may curtail F-35 plan if newer tech pans out, SECAF says​

“Our inventory objective for the F-35 is [1,763]. I don't know what we'll end up buying, and nobody can predict that right now. I know we're going to buy more, and we're going to be buying more for some period of time. At some point, this will be dependent on what we do with [Next Generation Air Dominance] and what we do with [Collaborative Combat Aircraft], we'll probably revisit that, [but] I don't think we're ready to do that yet,” Frank Kendall said during an event at the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies.

https://www.defenseone.com/defense-... Air Force may cut,can predict that right now.

The current design of the NGAD points heavily to a single engine F 35 replacement.

NGAD might be a single engine design based on the XA100 (200 KN) with numbers ~300 units with target price of ~$100-150 Million/aircraft.

Previous plans for a large twin engine NGAD with 2 x XA102 (156 KN) engines with numbers ~200 units has been effectively scrapped due to cost concerns ($300 Million/aircraft).

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[vampyrbladez]

Su-57 Vs AMCA. It is up to DoD of they implement the possible elements, & timely.

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If we think of a the Su 57 is a LO anti-stealth aircraft due to it's side facing L Band AESA radars it makes more sense.

The SU 57 has the RCS of a clean F 18 Super Hornet so it's no where near as stealthy as per our requirements. Also it's in the IOC stage at best and with the Russia-Ukraine war, production facilities will be strained to meet demands.

According to Alex Hollings, a renowned figure in the field, the challenges initially faced by the Su-57 are similar to those experienced by any fighter jet, including the F-35 and F-22. “Even completed aircraft often struggle to make a strong initial impression,” Hollings notes.

However, unlike the Su-57, the F-22 and F-35 have taken lessons from their early days and continually evolved. As Hollings explains, “Online discussions about the Radar Cross Section [RCS] often stir debate, and one should approach them with caution. Expert analysis suggests that the RCS of the Su-57 is around 0.5 square meters, which, unfortunately, does not quite hit the mark. Interestingly, the non-stealth 4th generation F/A-18 Super Hornet also possesses a similar RCS when it’s unarmed. In contrast, the RCS of the F-22 Raptor is five times smaller than that of the Su-57,” Hollings elucidates.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2024/...ou see, the larger the,0.5 to 1 square meters.

 

[Blademaster]

I strongly believe India will go for 36-40 F 35A fighters in the interim given that Trump had offered the same in 2018. Post 20th January 2024, Trump will again offer the F 35A but will seek heavy concessions such as a Stryker deal.

U.S. Pacific Command Boss Mentions Potential Sale Of F-35 To India​

https://www.twz.com/19268/u-s-pacific-command-boss-mentions-potential-sale-of-f-35-to-india-report

Also there are signs that the USAF may divest it's planned F 35 inventory due to NGAD's evolving nature and CCA. The US has a habit of peddling it's older tech (F-16, F-15, F-18) to client nations like India, Israel, UK, Australia, Germany, etc.

Old news. Things have changed now.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Old news. Things have changed now.

I am attempting to divine the tea leaves here or the 'mahaul' as we say in local parlance.

The induction of the fifth generation J-35 into the Pakistan Air Force is set to significantly boost the country's air power as it is considered to be superior to India's advanced fighter aircraft, such as Sukhoi Su-30MKI and Rafale.

Meanwhile, according to IDRW, Pakistan's move may prompt the US to offer India the F-35A, a fifth-generation fighter, with enhanced stealth, situational awareness, and reduced vulnerability.

https://www.theweek.in/news/defence...-grows-stronger-does-india-need-to-worry.html



https://idrw.org/parliamentary-comm...tion to,art fifth-generation fighter aircraft.

Defence Ministry forms committee to address shortages in Air Force​

The Defence Ministry has set up a committee to address the capability development of the Indian Air Force (IAF) amid critical shortage of fighter jets, weapons, and equipment, government officials told India Today.

Chaired by the Defence Secretary, the committee includes senior ministry officials, Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) chairman Dr Samir V Kamat, and IAF representatives.

After comprehensive IAF briefings, the panel was tasked with preparing recommendations, which are expected to be submitted within two to three months.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...leet-jets-weapons-shortage-2653842-2024-12-23

How Trump presidency could expedite delayed India-US defence deals​

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...yed-india-us-defence-deals-2629620-2024-11-07

 

[Bleh]

I strongly believe India will go for 36-40 F 35A fighters in the interim given that Trump had offered the same in 2018. Post 20th January 2024, Trump will again offer the F 35A but will seek heavy concessions such as a Stryker deal.

Now that is stunning that could potentially kill the AMCA!

 

[Ayan Barat]

seek heavy concessions

Which means I still have some hopes left to see my dream Su-30MkI with two F135-PW-400
Good

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

If we think of a the Su 57 is a LO anti-stealth aircraft due to it's side facing L Band AESA radars it makes more sense.

The SU 57 has the RCS of a clean F 18 Super Hornet so it's no where near as stealthy as per our requirements. Also it's in the IOC stage at best and with the Russia-Ukraine war, production facilities will be strained to meet demands.



https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2024/03/14/su-57-matches-f-18-radar-cross-section-f-22-beats-it-by-5000-times/#:~:text=You see, the larger the,0.5 to 1 square meters.

> There are many types of media outlets by different type of people, some by Ex-servicemen, some by regular citizens. Offcial sites talk less, personal sites by viewership make some money. Our country also has many sites & channels.
> I don't have much to add upon F-35 & Su-57. USA does repeated arm-twisting & Russians are not catching up technically. But cost of 1 or 2 squads of Su-57 should be compared to cost of same # of upgraded Super-Su-30MKI.
> We focus on non-Russian media a lot comparing with MLUed 4gen like F-18SH, but what Russians have to say? What if they are planning to jump to 6gen like EU & using Su-57 (& Su-75) just as a stopgap?
> There is opportunity to fill the missing features of other jets & implement timely in AMCA which will make it very dangerous.
> L-band antenna on Su-57 are on slats, angled, so it looks both front & sideways.

Same thing can be done with AMCA.

 

[high_IQ_bharatiya_sainik]

This shit needs to fly ASAP. It's getting out of hand.

 

[randombully]

> There are many types of media outlets by different type of people, some by Ex-servicemen, some by regular citizens. Offcial sites talk less, personal sites by viewership make some money. Our country also has many sites & channels.
> I don't have much to add upon F-35 & Su-57. USA does repeated arm-twisting & Russians are not catching up technically. But cost of 1 or 2 squads of Su-57 should be compared to cost of same # of upgraded Super-Su-30MKI.
> We focus on non-Russian media a lot comparing with MLUed 4gen like F-18SH, but what Russians have to say? What if they are planning to jump to 6gen like EU & using Su-57 (& Su-75) just as a stopgap?
> There is opportunity to fill the missing features of other jets & implement timely in AMCA which will make it very dangerous.
> L-band antenna on Su-57 are on slats, angled, so it looks both front & sideways.
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Same thing can be done with AMCA.

Su 57 is actually turning out to be pretty advanced in its own right, though it still is the least stealthy 5th gen out there.
But still, it's stealth is still gonna be lot better than a clean super hornet.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Su 57 is actually turning out to be pretty advanced in its own right, though it still is the least stealthy 5th gen out there.
But still, it's stealth is still gonna be lot better than a clean super hornet.

Ofcourse it will be better than any MLUed 4gen bcoz geometry helps a lot + Russians are also expected to develop RAM like we have developed. Their R&D is much ahead of us. So we should hear what they have to say 1st hand like what RCS are they quoting.
It is more flat than J-20 so IDK if it is least stealthy 5gen jet.

 

[Spitfire IX]

Ofcourse it will be better than any MLUed 4gen bcoz geometry helps a lot + Russians are also expected to develop RAM like we have developed. Their R&D is much ahead of us. So we should hear what they have to say 1st hand like what RCS are they quoting.
It is more flat than J-20 so IDK if it is least stealthy 5gen jet.

Any reason why Russia would refuse India permission to apply its own RAM paint to Su-57?

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Any reason why Russia would refuse India permission to apply its own RAM paint to Su-57?

IDK if Russia can or will. If GoI agrees for some Su-57 then perhaps DRDO might wanna test the Russian RAM 1st. If DRDO's RAM comes out better then it should bond well with Russian airframe with good life.

 

[randombully]

Ofcourse it will be better than any MLUed 4gen bcoz geometry helps a lot + Russians are also expected to develop RAM like we have developed. Their R&D is much ahead of us. So we should hear what they have to say 1st hand like what RCS are they quoting.
It is more flat than J-20 so IDK if it is least stealthy 5gen jet.

Na," based on shape"it does worse than j20

F-35 vs J-20 vs Su-57 Summary

Introduction Previously, we have done HFSS simulation to evaluate the mean and median radar cross section as well as the radar scattering pattern of the four common stealth fighters namely F-35A, S…

basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Na," based on shape"it does worse than j20

F-35 vs J-20 vs Su-57 Summary

Introduction Previously, we have done HFSS simulation to evaluate the mean and median radar cross section as well as the radar scattering pattern of the four common stealth fighters namely F-35A, S…

basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com

A good analyst sees both sides, doesn't take sides. So i want to hear Russians 1st.
I have seen this webpage on RCS modelling many times & wondered that RCS S/w & such data are supposed to be Top Secret & National Security issue. What is the original source of this data? How was it created & simulated? have the govt. of USA, Russia & China reacted to it? If not then why not?

 

[AbRaj]

Ye AMCA AMCA kya hai, ye AMCA AMCA

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Ye AMCA AMCA kya hai, ye AMCA AMCA

Bollywood wale politics me to hain hi. Ab bas MoD/CCS join karna bcha hai.

 

[Asmodeus]

6th gen features are here!!... How good is china's new 6th gen jet!


View: https://www.youtube.com/live/4JrJ7oDYQJw?si=kw5CL0ESBHCfSuoO

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Your associate Kuntal Biswas made early CAD of 2 Astr-3 SFDR /bay, total 4 AAMs, but pic is angled, the bay is short with big gap in between.
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He has also made multiple CADs of Astr-3 SFDR BUT with different fin & ramjet intake dimensions.

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The 3rd one is the only one with bottom view so if we resize it with IWB then still it will be a TIGHT UNSAFE fit of 3 staggered AAMs/bay.
And if we consider 3 staggered Meteors (AAM CAD by artist "AkelaFreedom") then although it is 6" shorter but its intakes & fins seem to be wider & overflows out of bay.
The long intakes make it difficult to stagger.
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Editing in MS Paint, Photoshop, etc can produce inaccurate errors.
It is best accurate if the artists themselves produce this kind of images. But most of them don't.

If the Ramjet intake is shortened then 6 Astr-3 SFDR AAMs might fit relatively better. But there could be military safety specs which may or may not allow this.


We see Akash-1 SAM also has Ramjets which don't extend all the way backwards.


The intake fairing in Meteor is long bcoz it houses some electronics, fin actuators. Same could be with Astr-3 SFDR. But if the AAM body can be adjusted then it can favor AMCA.