Bangladesh Civil War & Coup 2024

[altruistRor]

there is no threat to siliguri corridor from china or anyone .

if anything , threat is from indian army to nearby chinese chumbi valley .

bd has gone to the islamist . that cia backed nobel price walla will get his head chopped off soon, india-bangladesh border has been 75% fenced . best we can do is fence the remaining .

Doesn’t mean it will never happen. If we were to engage in a full-scale war with China, one of their first moves might be to sever the corridor. We need to be prepared for the worst, which is often worse than what we can anticipate or plan for.

 

[bong]

aukaat

Lmao Ni99a what's this "aukaat" in every post of yours?
Nonetheless I leave this argument

 

[Gandaberunda]

there is no threat to siliguri corridor from china or anyone .

if anything , threat is from indian army to nearby chinese chumbi valley .

bd has gone to the islamist . that cia backed nobel price walla will get his head chopped off soon, india-bangladesh border has been 75% fenced . best we can do is fence the remaining .

The indo-bdesh border is Porus in Meghalaya and Assam (due to terrain). There is no border just a stone mark in some places in Meghalaya. If we manage to seal the border then we can manage kanglu infiltrators in West Bengal (routing out corruption in BSF). Sunderbans need to up boat patrolling but to have kanglus under our thumb need to take some territory in cox bazar which gives sea connectivity to NE states and our reliance on kanglu land route will minimise. Widening Siliguri corridor will give us strategic advantage/ safety if things go south.

 

[Anants]

conversely, this also explains why there was such a "intellectual" clamour about India-pak trade during elections. we can read it as, pakis trying to re-establish money supply to cultivate influence in delhi.

thats why I mentioned caveat ".. but with long term Indian interests and Indian safety in mind.". This caveat nullifies any short term advantage we see in trading with BD and Pakis.

 

[ezsasa]

USA has complete lock on their neighbours. Canada is a bitch of US and doesn’t lift an eye on US (no matter which party forms govt) same with Mexico they have nothing against US other than narcotics smuggling and fence jumping. Did Modi had that kind of control with our neighbours you are making comparison? Heck Modi can’t even bitch slap SL after donating above 3B to SL when they allowed Chinese research vessel to dock. Maldives is just laughing around the corner and now Bdesh. Just building roads in bdesh and Myanmar and comparing to US/Europe? China can have trade connectivity with Russia ( China and Russia are against common enemy USA)
To many foolish comparisons just to defend banyiagiri. Isn’t India/China are trading despite galwan? so called vishwagorilla is relaxing Chinese FDI after so called atmanirbharta jumla (just rebranding foreign products). Adani is selling electricity to bdesh and baniya is more intrested in those things than putting kanglus in their place when opportunity arises.

look up U.S mexico history, and how many decades it took after 1776 for their relationship to settle down which includes a war.
i have given additional data points, it is for folks to take them under consideration or ignore, their call.

if every thread ends up becoming a political thread, then what's the point in having different threads. some of us are not interested in catering to lowest common denominator.

 

[Roshan]

The indo-bdesh border is Porus in Meghalaya and Assam (due to terrain). There is no border just a stone mark in some places in Meghalaya. If we manage to seal the border then we can manage kanglu infiltrators in West Bengal (routing out corruption in BSF). Sunderbans need to up boat patrolling but to have kanglus under our thumb need to take some territory in cox bazar which gives sea connectivity to NE states and our reliance on kanglu land route will minimise. Widening Siliguri corridor will give us strategic advantage/ safety if things go south.

The manpower shortage doesn't help if we are going to consider turning the Bang border into anything resembling the LAC, LOC or the IB with Pakistan. It's a bigger border than any other that we have.

 

[Suryavanshi]

@Bleh
@bong no more discussion about your topic

Take off topic talk to chit chat thread.

 

[Roshan]

Okok... Bottom-line, people that do have aukaat to get muslim girls unlike most of ya hindus, you don't wanna convert them. That works better.

You should have a look at the bhagwa love trap account on twitter, quite often reality is different from what we imagine it to be.

 

[Anants]

don't want to derail the thread by making this thread too about domestic politics.
but i'll end with this.
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how was it when commies were in power in WB? was it same as now during MB's reign?

how can there be a solution, if a sitting CM is saying this.
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Mamata Banerjee : "Don't worry if you do not have Aadhar card. We will issue another card. If needed, we will issue a separate card so that no one is deprived of any of our social welfare schemes."


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I think we should get away from political what aboutery. Lets leave that to the political parties. WHats necessary is we should air what we want from the govt we elected to govern. The govt demanded long term stability for governance. People exactly gave them the best what they can give in democratic setup like India - continuous power for 15 years. So we should not be afraid to ask for what they professed to care for when they when were not in power - which is Illegal Immigration. I see some half hearted attempts by Assam - but there is no comprehensive national policy or framework to handle the same in sight.

 

[ezsasa]

Indian narrative is collecting crumbs riding the moral high horse and ignoring insults that are hurled at us.


Baniyagiri without being an interventionist is a futile exercise.

At one epoch our traders own almost whole Central Asia. It just took one Russian military decree to kick us out.

In our case, our PM can not even raise concern on the plight of BD Hindus but goes on drafting laws to accommodate refugees which he can not even implement properly.

The first step is to admit that we have a problem of being chucks.

Afghanistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, BD, Bhutan and Burma; we are bogged down managing crises and bad PR while America on the other hand is clear with compliance that it expects from its neighbours.

A big country like India has not made a single intervention in the region. But when it comes to insults our face is full of it for no reason whatsoever.

When Hasina was crushing the protests many like me were confident that her strength was being harnessed from the backing of the mighty Indian army. CIA on the other hand profiled us quite well that we will not act. They rather with the help of Pakistan activated our western front.

So clearly they had a plan while our military leadership was ranting on stages to mock 'Atamnirbhar Bharat' and the political leader still coming out of the bereavement of the last election.

it is what it is, by now it must have been clear that GoI does not have the intent and capacity to execute such grand plans. if almost every day, one is coming to the same conclusion that GoI does not have capacity, why will it be suddenly different tomorrow. reality is going it's own pace, it's just imaginations that are going wild.

for us, in our lifetime it will continue to be like this. at best towards end of our lives something might happen, but we will be too old to take cognisance.

i am still trying to figure out a way to explain this dissonance between idealism and pragmatism.

 

[bong]

You should have a look at the bhagwa love trap account on twitter, quite often reality is different from what we imagine it to be.

Leave him. It'll derail the thread.

 

[Anants]

it is what it is, by now it must have been clear that GoI does not have the intent and capacity to execute such grand plans. if almost every day, one is coming to the same conclusion that GoI does not have capacity, why will it be suddenly different tomorrow. reality is going it's own pace, it's just imaginations that are going wild.

for us, in our lifetime it will continue to be like this. at best towards end of our lives something might happen, but we will be too old to take cognisance.

i am still trying to figure out a way to explain this dissonance between idealism and pragmatism.

Problem is not that Govt is not having capacity now. Problem is we dont see Govt taking steps to build that capacity now so that atleast we see the transformation in our life times. Lack for long term planning viz preserving Indian civilization with Indian characteristics is something which still mars us whether is was before 2014 or now. I know this statement is wide broom sweep with no nuances. But thats the summary of majority of our issues discussed on this board.

 

[Gandaberunda]

look up U.S mexico history, and how many decades it took after 1776 for their relationship to settle down which includes a war.
i have given additional data points, it is for folks to take them under consideration or ignore, their call.

if every thread ends up becoming a political thread, then what's the point in having different threads. some of us are not interested in catering to lowest common denominator.

Dude you are back piling to 18th century now after making comparisons for present day. Bdesh didn’t exist before 1971 or say no such country before 1947. Just for discourse stop comparing to western countries. This is GoI failure in their own backyard and we have new headache to deal with on our eastern border. Hasina or any other we should have made bdesh politicians our bitch and we failed in it just riding on Hasina

 

[Roshan]

it is what it is, by now it must have been clear that GoI does not have the intent and capacity to execute such grand plans. if almost every day, one is coming to the same conclusion that GoI does not have capacity, why will it be suddenly different tomorrow. reality is going it's own pace, it's just imaginations that are going wild.

for us, in our lifetime it will continue to be like this. at best towards end of our lives something might happen, but we will be too old to take cognisance.

i am still trying to figure out a way to explain this dissonance between idealism and pragmatism.

Don't believe a demand to address this situation is exactly idealistic. Complaints and criticisms are intended to get them to change intent, we did much more when arguably our capacity was lower in the past.

 

[Gandaberunda]

The manpower shortage doesn't help if we are going to consider turning the Bang border into anything resembling the LAC, LOC or the IB with Pakistan. It's a bigger border than any other that we have.

I don’t think even kanglus have capacity to up their force if we turn up things similar to LoC. They don’t have equipment nor any expertise. Myanmar army trashed them during Rohingyas standoff but our resources will be stretched and man power shortage ( agniveer). Who ever came up with agniveer idea should be jailed forever

 

[Gandaberunda]

Don't believe a demand to address this situation is exactly idealistic. Complaints and criticisms are intended to get them to change intent, we did much more when arguably our capacity was lower in the past.

Exactly who had seen we doing 1971? Did we had capacity? We built that in 6 months from March to December and then decisively achieved our goals( military wise). All this happened because of the intent of Sir Manekshaw and Indira Gandhi which present leadership lacks both political and military General. They are fit to give media interviews ready for 2 front war and ready to take away PoK

 

[ezsasa]

can't have it both ways.

on one hand, describing all the symptoms of GoI not having capacity, and on the other hand not willing to consider the possibility GoI not having capacity.

as far as taking steps are concerned, we have a situation where even if GoI wants to communicate about what they are doing, it doesn't have durbaris of it's own to spin it as a narrative for public consumption.

as always, we will read about it years later in some memoir.

I think we should get away from political what aboutery. Lets leave that to the political parties. WHats necessary is we should air what we want from the govt we elected to govern. The govt demanded long term stability for governance. People exactly gave them the best what they can give in democratic setup like India - continuous power for 15 years. So we should not be afraid to ask for what they professed to care for when they when were not in power - which is Illegal Immigration. I see some half hearted attempts by Assam - but there is no comprehensive national policy or framework to handle the same in sight.

Problem is not that Govt is not having capacity now. Problem is we dont see Govt taking steps to build that capacity now so that atleast we see the transformation in our life times. Lack for long term planning viz preserving Indian civilization with Indian characteristics is something which still mars us whether is was before 2014 or now.

 

[Ultraman]

The indo-bdesh border is Porus in Meghalaya and Assam (due to terrain). There is no border just a stone mark in some places in Meghalaya. If we manage to seal the border then we can manage kanglu infiltrators in West Bengal (routing out corruption in BSF). Sunderbans need to up boat patrolling but to have kanglus under our thumb need to take some territory in cox bazar which gives sea connectivity to NE states and our reliance on kanglu land route will minimise. Widening Siliguri corridor will give us strategic advantage/ safety if things go south.

u guys talk about widening siliguri like it will be walk in park with no consequences .

u can expect war then next day Pak army + PLA/PLAN base will come up in bd .

just add it to the list of things we can dream about. . "we should take pok" , "we should take aksai chin" , , "we should take nepal" "we should take bhutan " "we should take coco islands"

 

[hit&run]

u guys talk about widening siliguri like it will be walk in park with no consequences .

u can expect war then next day Pak army + PLA/PLAN base will come up in bd .

just add it to the list of things we can dream about. . "we should take pok" , "we should take aksai chin" , , "we should take nepal" "we should take bhutan " "we should take coco islands"

The best is to disband the Indian Army. They are already treating it as yet another 'Sarkari Naukri'.

 

[hit&run]

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